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Mannu
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posted September 23, 2008 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In a blistering speech before the United Nations General Assembly, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad blamed "a few bullying powers" for creating the world's problems and said the "American empire in the world is reaching the end of its road."


And while he insisted Iran's nuclear activities are peaceful, Ahmadinejad blamed the same powers for seeking to hinder it "by exerting political and economic pressures on Iran, and threatening and pressuring" the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Those powers, meanwhile, are building or maintaining nuclear stockpiles themselves, unchecked by anyone, he said.

As Ahmadinejad spoke, the only person at the United States table was a note-taker; no U.S. diplomat was present. When President Bush spoke earlier Tuesday, however, Ahmadinejad was in the room.

... http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/23/ahmadinejad.us/index.html



Even though I don't agree with him on his past provocative statement about taking Israel off the world map. Some of what he says is interesting. What he says on America will be true if Obama wins. Socialism wins in finance, in health insurance , just about everywhere.
Just kidding but who knows. But one of the two , either Obama or Osama can bring about the downfall, if they are allowed to succeed.

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Osama is hoping to stretch American hegemony in the Middle East to breaking point (much like how the Soviet Union collapsed in 1989). Then, he believes, it will be easy overthrow the weak and corrupt Arab and Gulf regimes once US power in the region is destroyed. As Atwan concludes matter-of-factly and chillingly “as long as connections continue to be made between US policy, actual or perceived, and the continuing instability in much of the Middle East, we can expect that Al-Qaeda will grow stronger and expand the sphere of its operations”. http://nebuchadnezzarwoollyd.blogspot.com/


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Mannu
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posted September 23, 2008 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have no problems with Jewish people," he said. "There are many Jews who live in Iran today ... but please pay attention to the fact that the Zionists are not Jews. They have no religion ... they just have -- wear masks of religiosity. How can you possibly be religious and occupy the land of other people?"

On the Holocaust, he said an impartial group should research whether it happened as has been claimed.

"There is a claim that the extent of the calamity was what it was," Ahmadinejad said. "There are people who agree with it. There are people who disagree."

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posted September 23, 2008 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many republicans must be upset for giving him so much air coverage.

But heh , shouldn't we know how stupid some people can be even today or is it that I am the one who is ignorant.

The holocaust never happened? 5 million never died? WTF

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posted September 23, 2008 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahmadinejad has also caused controversy by previously suggesting there were no homosexuals in Iran. Regarding that statement, he told King: "I said it is not the way it is here. In Iran this is considered a very -- obviously, most people dislike it. And we have, actually, a law regarding it and the law is enforced."

However, he said, "we do pay attention that in Iran nobody interferes in the private lives of individuals. We have nothing to do with the private realm of people. This is at the -- non-private, public morality. In their own house, nobody ever interferes."

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posted September 25, 2008 06:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's an interesting little man, isn't he?

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We have no problems with Jewish people," he said. "There are many Jews who live in Iran today ... but please pay attention to the fact that the Zionists are not Jews. They have no religion ... they just have -- wear masks of religiosity. How can you possibly be religious and occupy the land of other people?

While I certainly wouldn't care to be a Jew living in Iran, I do agree that to be a Zionist is not to be a Jew and to be a Jew is not to be a Zionist. Is there anyone left who doesn't acknowledge Zionism? Rational, impartial people, I mean.

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posted October 06, 2008 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So all jewish people from all over the world who came back to Israel when and after that state was officially formed, are Zionists. Is that a fair statement?

They bought their western ideas with them and thats why they are impartial and not perfect Jews? WTF? Isn't that an attack on western values?

Poor Iranians. The theocracy there dictates what is good and what is bad and everyone obeys. Aren't they forced to?

Are you supporting those statements of this Moron, Tink? Sorry for calling him a moron already without knowledge. But heh, thats what it sounds like so far.


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So all jewish people from all over the world who came back to Israel when and after that state was officially formed, are Zionists. Is that a fair statement?

No, I don't think it's a fair statement at all. I imagine a great deal returned to Israel with nothing but the best of intentions and for reasons which any one of us couldn't help but sympathize. Furthermore, I draw a distinction between the Israeli people and the Israeli government, just as I do with the American people and their government. I also concede a distinction between being an Israeli and being a Jew.

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They bought their western ideas with them and thats why they are impartial and not perfect Jews? WTF? Isn't that an attack on western values?

Now that's a good question. What influence did the Jews have on European society and vice versa? In our push for a more secularized, scientifically oriented society, what did we lose? Was it a fair trade? Did the West taint these "perfect Jews"? Come to think of it perhaps this sort of secular tainting is the fear of certain Islamic segments of modern European society. Cohesion and intergration doesn't seem to be the call of the day, does it? But I digress. The pyschological and spiritual story behind the Jewish return to the middle East could fill books. I'm willing to jump in if you are.

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Poor Iranians. The theocracy there dictates what is good and what is bad and everyone obeys. Aren't they forced to?
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Do a little digging, Mannu. The "underground" dissenting factor in Iran is significantly stronger that the western media would have you believe. Why isn't the USA taking advantage of this? Like another Tiananmen Square, we've left these brave souls to the lions.

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Are you supporting those statements of this Moron, Tink? Sorry for calling him a moron already without knowledge. But heh, thats what it sounds like so far.

He's not a moron. He's an evil SOB, who dangerously misunderstands his religion (much like a certain President I know), but he's no moron.

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posted October 07, 2008 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>>>Why isn't the USA taking advantage of this? Like another Tiananmen Square

Well we have few dangerously liberal congressionals as we speak, do you think they ever make rational decisions?

Will add some more comments here in a moment.

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posted October 07, 2008 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fact is that the congress were majority republicans for the last few decades and hence we do not see war fought without sufficient warnings given by the president to the countries we fight against especially those belonging to the axis of evil. It is the leader of their nations who thought these were just rhetorics. Saddam had sufficient time to act. But he didn't. Moron. Iran had plenty of time too since Bush listed his country as evil. But they seem to be too arrogant. Not because they think they are on Gods side but mostly because they fear loosing power. Also I am worried these days because we are majority democrats in the congress as we speak. Some of them are idiots like Biden. So i find it hard to trust that their actions will be prudent. JFK erred on Vietnam didn't he? Hehe...I am no historian just ranting for the moment.

I do not believe the neo cons likes to interfere in to peoples affair unless necessary. Let the people of their own nation sort it out. hundreds of years ago, a few Americans started a movement and won freedom didn't they?


"Never leave war to the generals" once said a French General. Abraham Lincoln was the most hands on commander in chief we ever had. Compare this to the past few presidents.

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posted October 07, 2008 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Western man has stopped evolving


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LONDON: Man in the developed world has stopped evolving, a British genetics expert has said, because they no longer have to struggle to survive and natural selection does not come into play any more.

Going by his argument, any hopes of man evolving into something other than the current human state are left with the developing world, where tools of evolution are not thwarted in the absence of modern medi-care and higher standards of living.

Steve Jones, head of the department of genetics, evolution and environment at the University College London, says the forces driving evolution - such as natural selection and genetic mutation - no longer play an important role in our lives.

The people living one million years from now, should man survive, will resemble modern-day humans.

"We now know so much about the process of evolution that we can make some predictions about what might happen in future," Jones said in a lecture here on Monday.

Evolution is driven by natural selection and mutation. Genetic mutations create traits which, if helpful, give individuals a competitive edge over rivals.

Take natural selection. Before modernity, life was so tough that most children died before they reached adolescence. It was a race for survival and only the strongest made it, making out a case for natural selection. This means babies with genetic mutations that made them more resilient had better chances of survival as well as passing on their genes to their offspring.

Jones' argument is that in a modern world of central heating and plenty of food, the same mutation is far less likely to give a child any advantage. A baby born today can expect to live a long and healthy life, which in turn works against the evolutionary tool of natural selection.

Referring to mutation, Jones expounds the view that it too is slowing down. It is because there are fewer older fathers in the West. Older men's sperm deteriorates and contains more genetic mistakes which in turn can lead to mutations in their children.

Cell divisions in males increase with age. "Every time there is a cell division, there is a chance of a mistake, a mutation, an error," he is quoted in The Times as saying.

A third factor - randomness - is also an important ingredient in evolution. Small populations that are isolated can change at random as genes are accidentally lost, he said. But as the world's population becomes increasingly connected, the opportunity for random change is dwindling.

Jones said: "Worldwide, all populations are becoming connected and the opportunity for random change is dwindling. History is made in bed, but nowadays the beds are getting closer together. We are mixing into a global mass, and the future is brown."

What he means is inbreeding is becoming less common as the globe becomes smaller.

Referring to Britain, Jones said: "In Britain, one marriage in 50 or so is between members of a different ethnic group, and the country is one of the most sexually open in the world."

Jones is not the only scientist to believe mankind will struggle to evolve from its present state. In his book "Future Evolution", Peter Ward, a paleontologist at the University of Washington, claims that only by interbreeding and allowing bioengineering can a new species emerge.

But Chris Stringer, research leader in human origins at the Natural History Museum, London, said the idea that evolutionary pressures were no longer taking their toll on humanity was true of only Western civilization, according to Scotsman newspaper.

Another genetics expert, John Wilkins of the University of Melbourne, has already dismissed him.

Wilkins wrote on his personal blog: "Evolution has not stopped, nor even, I warrant, slowed appreciably. Sure, large populations tend to evolve less quickly than smaller ones for good stochastic reasons, but populations are partitioned.

"It may be in England that one's partner has ancestry from a long way away, but there have been mass migrations in the human past before, in Africa when the cultural technique of animal herding spread southwards 2,000 years ago, and before that in the period from around 3000-1500 BCE from central Asia to Europe and back. Genes do not stay in one place for very long in evolutionary terms. Jones is mistaking small temporary effects for evolutionarily significant ones."


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posted October 07, 2008 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Evolution never stops. Or does it with humans at its Pinnacle? If so some of you new souls must be lucky to arrive this far

For the old souls my ranting continues.

I think the theological pundits of the judaism religion did a great mistake if they advice inbreeding(within same race not same family) of jews. And if they still follow it.

You will see genetically handicap people if this fallacy continues.

But then this is debatable. Einstein was a jew and a genius. Was he of pure jewish race? Anyhow I don't want to get in to discussion of the best brain and blue eyes and blond hair. It creates unnessary controversy.

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EINSTEIN: You believe? In God?

NURSE: Yes. Yes I do. Do you? Believe?

EINSTEIN: Do I believe there is someone who plans the daily life of Albert Einstein? No. Although sometimes I think he may have been leading me up the garden path.

NURSE: But didn't he make the garden?

EINSTEIN: I think he is the garden.

NURSE: And isn't he the gardener too?

EINSTEIN: Yes, and all my life I have been trying to catch him at his work.


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posted October 07, 2008 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Did the West taint these "perfect Jews"? Come to think of it perhaps this sort of secular tainting is the fear of certain Islamic segments of modern European society. Cohesion and intergration doesn't seem to be the call of the day, does it? But I digress. The pyschological and spiritual story behind the Jewish return to the middle East could fill books. I'm willing to jump in if you are.

I am against jewish people all over the world who has gone and will go to Israel to hasten the second coming of Messiah.
They are deluded in my opinion.

I am emphathise with the jewish people who didn't have home for thousands of years but also against them for not integrating with the country that gave them shelter.

Will that make me anti-zionist ? LOL

Nationalism in any form is condemned by the modern state of Israel. They all remember what happened in Germany under Adolf Hitler.
So that is good.

I am not willing to jump in to the spiritual side but the psychological and social side of the story. But I guess by saying that I alread jumped in.
If a great observer of a clan warns people not to eat pork because he infers that people get sick eating it. They call him prophet.
And if the same prophet warns that because of the psychology conditions of their enemies they will be forced out of their home one day - and it happens,
people call it destiny. Bible is not future, it is history. It also contains gems of wisdom.

Its a fallacy to ignore present moment and what many scientists in various fields (psychology, biology, neurology, physics, maths, etc) have achieved .
That is religion has become a threat to a God that must be known and felt.


Wish I had time to add clarity and share more of my worldview on this subject. Hope that I do not sound like a high priest of a new religion

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