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jwhop
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posted February 10, 2009 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, we can thank the Marxist Socialist demoscats..O'Bomber's crowd and 3 imbecilic Republicans for foisting health care rationing on America. And not only health care rationing but the destruction of our privacy in health care records. As medical records now stand, no physician can release details of our illnesses or treatment. No longer.

But the worst part of this section of the so called "stimulus bill" is health care rationing. This is going to kill Americans...literally, kill Americans.

I warned you that O'Bomber is a Marxist Socialist. I warned you that most demoscats in Congress are Marxist Socialists hiding behind the "Liberal" banner. I warned you about the proclivity of Marxists to use force to implement their plans. And I warned you that Marxist Socialists want control over every facet of your lives. Control over your finances, how much money you can make and have, what you can and cannot eat, what your can drive, the size of your home, control over your thermostats and control over everything else. In the end, Marxists want to control the content of what you view, what you can listen to, what you can say...and eventually, even what you can think.

Now, for those of you who helped elect this little Marxist dud, O'Bomber, welcome to the reality of Marxism..coming to you already..or actually, coming at you. You should be so proud.

Stimulus contains rationed medicine
'Safe, effective' treatments soon to be limited by 'cost'
Posted: February 09, 2009
9:29 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh

The former lieutenant governor of New York is warning that the $50 billion that President Obama expects to spend in the next few years on a nationwide digital health records system for every individual easily could, and probably will, result in rationed medical care.

WND recently reported on a little-discussed provision in Obama's plan that would demand every American submit to a government program for electronic medical records without a choice to opt out, raising alarms for privacy advocates.

Privacy advocates said patients might be startled to discover documentation on abortions, mental health problems, impotence, being labeled as a non-compliant patient, lawsuits against doctors and sexual problems could be shared electronically with, perhaps, millions of people.

Sue A. Blevins, president of the Institute for Health Freedom, said unless people have the right to decide "if and when" their health information is shared, there is no real privacy.

Now Betsy McCaughey, former lieutenant governor of New York and an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, has released a commentary warning about the likelihood of rationed care – or a health care system that simply provides treatment when it determines the cost-benefit ratio for the treatment and the patient meets its guidelines.

A report in the Indian Express Finance suggested Obama plans to spend $50 billion "over five years" to create and use a system of electronic health records for every person who sees a doctor.

"Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion," wrote McCaughey. "These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle..(the tax cheat), until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department."

"If the Obama administration's economic stimulus bill passes … in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face … rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice..(their lives) later."

Other nations that utilize such programs typically deny costly treatments to patients who are senior citizens, and McCaughey warns that would be the case in the United States, too.

"Daschle says health-care reform 'will not be pain free.' Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt," she warned.

"Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost-effectiveness standard," she said.

McCaughey noted Daschle has written of such plans, modeled after the United Kingdom, which include a national board to make necessary decisions.

"This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis," she wrote.

She cited a 2006 ruling in the U.K. that determined elderly patients with macular degeneration must go blind in one eye before getting treatment with a costly drug to save their other eye, a decision that outraged taxpayers who eventually forced a change.

"Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition," McCaughey said.

The stimulus plan calls its board the "Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research."

"The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept 'hopeless diagnoses' and 'forgo experimental treatments,' and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system," she said.

She said the plan simply needs more review.

"The bill treats health care the way European governments do: as a cost problem instead of a growth industry. Imagine limiting growth and innovation in the electronics or auto industry during this downturn," McCaughey said.

She said doctors would end up with no choice about treatments.

"Hospitals and doctors that are not 'meaningful users' of the new system will face penalties," she warned.

The Institute for Health Freedom today also renewed its warning because the system is scheduled to be mandatory for everyone.

"IHF calls on Americans who care about health privacy to contact their members of Congress and President Obama to voice their own opinions about the need for opt-out and patient consent provisions, to ensure true patient privacy rights," the organization said.

Blevins' organization, one of the few raising the alarm at this point, said the stimulus plan would impose an electronic health records system on every person in the U.S. without any provision for seeking patient consent or allowing them not to participate.

"Without those protections, Americans' electronic health records could be shared – without their consent – with over 600,000 covered entities through the forthcoming nationally linked electronic health-records network," Blevins said.

"Nobody wants to stop the proper use of good technology," Blevins said, "and for some people privacy is not an issue."

But she said the bottom line is that patients "would end up losing control of his or her personal health information."

WND previously has reported on attempts in Minnesota by state lawmakers to authorize the collection and warehousing of newborns' DNA without parental consent.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty has been successful in stopping the action there so far.

The Citizens' Council on Health Care has worked to publicize the issue in Minnesota. The group raised opposition when the state Department of Health continued to warehouse DNA without parental consent in violation of the genetic privacy and DNA property rights of parents and children.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88457

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sunshine_lion
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posted February 10, 2009 11:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to some extent this is already in place. so much for hppa laws.

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katatonic
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posted February 10, 2009 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a critical sentence in the above article "taxpayers..were outraged...and voted to change this situation". even in "SOCIALIST" england voters can alter the course of government measures. even in "SOCIALIST" england private insurance is available.

the disintegration of the national health system in england was set in motion by - the "SOCIALIST"?? margaret thatcher.

in our current american system i personally have not been able to justify the cost of doctor's visits (for myself) for the last 12 years! and my health has steadily improved. the fact is we tend to go to the doctor too much, and it is harmful to your health!!

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jwhop
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posted February 11, 2009 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So voters can change the idiotic course of idiotic Socialist government. So what?

Why should citizens have to protest in the streets and raise hell to get what they have already paid for in the first place?

And why should those who have paid into the "compulsory" Socialist Health Care System all or most of their lives have to purchase private health insurance...to get the treatment they've already paid to receive..from the Socialist Health Care System?

Just for your information katatonic, Thatcher was not Prime Minister when the compulsory National Heath Care Act of 1946 was instituted in the United Kingdom. Clement Attlee, a member of the Socialist Labour Party was Prime Minister.

So, how did Thatcher figure into your comment and why did you bring her name up?

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Quinnie
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posted February 11, 2009 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop I'm still not convinced that Obama is a socialist.

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jwhop
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posted February 11, 2009 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Spread the Wealth" IS Socialist speak for taking what one person has earned by applying his/her labor, knowledge and skill and giving it to someone else.

That's all you really need to hear to know O'Bomber is a Socialist...of the Marxist variety..as are his friends, associates and pastor for 20 years who preached the Marxist Socialist doctrine of Black Liberation Theology. As was O'Bomber's political guru and tutor, Frank Marshall Davis of the Communist Party USA.

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