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jwhop
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posted March 06, 2009 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, who needs a teleprompter when they have supposedly gone over and over all the subject matter contained in even a minor speech, when they have marched every concept down the highway to see where those concepts might lead and have identified the potholes in the highway to be avoided? In general, the only people who cannot speak authoritatively on a subject are those who don't really know the subject matter well. That person should not be the President of the United States proposing new legislation, proposing new Cabinet members, new policies, new programs all of whom or which should have been studied in such depth that the President should know the subject matter forward, backward and sideways.

Yet, the President, of whom it has been said, "Obama is the most intelligent President ever in American history", is said to be a master communicator, orator extraordinaire, never leaves home without his teleprompter and uses it even to introduce new members of his Cabinet. The press photographers and television camera crews are hard pressed to get camera angles which don't show O'Bomber's teleprompter. Apparently, America is not to know O'Bomber is simply lost without his teleprompter.

This is the sign of a disorganized mind, poor memory, an inability to focus his thoughts and speak coherently and extemporaneously on subject matter he should know well.

All that soaring rhetoric we've heard came straight off O'Bomber's teleprompter, even though O'Bomber has had more than 2 years to work on all the ideas, legislation, programs and all the rest he's proposing as a course of action for the United States.

Obama's safety net: the TelePrompter
By CAROL E. LEE | 3/5/09 1:04 PM EST


The textbook-sized panes of glass holding the president’s prepared remarks follow him wherever he speaks.

President Barack Obama doesn’t go anywhere without his TelePrompter.

Resting on top of a tall, narrow pole, they flank his podium during speeches in the White House’s stately parlors. They stood next to him on the floor of a manufacturing plant in Indiana as he pitched his economic stimulus plan. They traveled to the Department of Transportation this week and were in the Capitol Rotunda last month when he paid tribute to Abraham Lincoln in six-minute prepared remarks.

Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter is unusual — not only because he is famous for his oratory, but because no other president has used one so consistently and at so many events, large and small.

After the teleprompter malfunctioned a few times last summer and Obama delivered some less-than-soaring speeches, reports surfaced that he was training to wean himself off of the device while on vacation in Hawaii. But no such luck.

His use of the teleprompter makes work tricky for the television crews and photographers trying to capture an image of the president announcing a new Cabinet secretary or housing plan without a pane of glass blocking his face. And it is a startling sight to see such sleek, modern technology set against the mahogany doors and Bohemian crystal chandeliers in the East Room or the marble columns of the Grand Foyer.

“It’s just something presidents haven’t done,” said Martha Joynt Kumar, a presidential historian who has held court in the White House since December 1975. “It’s jarring to the eye. In a way, it stands in the middle between the audience and the president because his eye is on the teleprompter.”

Just how much of a crutch the teleprompter has become for Obama was on sharp display during his latest commerce secretary announcement. The president spoke from a teleprompter in the ornate Indian Treaty Room for a few minutes. Then Gov. Gary Locke stepped to the podium and pulled out a piece of paper for reference.

The president’s teleprompter also elicited some uncomfortable laughter after he announced Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as his choice for Health and Human Services secretary. “Kathy,” Obama said, turning the podium over to Sebelius, who waited at the microphone for an awkward few seconds while the teleprompters were lowered to the floor and the television cameras rolled.

Obama has relied on a teleprompter through even the shortest announcements and when repeating the same lines on his economic stimulus plan that he's been saying for months — whereas past presidents have mostly worked off of notes on the podium except during major speeches, such as the State of the Union.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19663.html


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your point?

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jwhop
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posted March 06, 2009 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"This is the sign of a disorganized mind, poor memory, an inability to focus his thoughts and speak coherently and extemporaneously on subject matter he should know well."

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posted March 06, 2009 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
get a life jwhop......

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jwhop
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posted March 06, 2009 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so sorry katatonic. I thought I put this commentary...mine by the way...right up front so it would be read before the article I posted was read. Sorry you didn't see it.

"So, who needs a teleprompter when they have supposedly gone over and over all the subject matter contained in even a minor speech, when they have marched every concept down the highway to see where those concepts might lead and have identified the potholes in the highway to be avoided? In general, the only people who cannot speak authoritatively on a subject are those who don't really know the subject matter well. That person should not be the President of the United States proposing new legislation, proposing new Cabinet members, new policies, new programs all of whom or which should have been studied in such depth that the President should know the subject matter forward, backward and sideways.

Yet, the President, of whom it has been said, "Obama is the most intelligent President ever in American history", is said to be a master communicator, orator extraordinaire, never leaves home without his teleprompter and uses it even to introduce new members of his Cabinet. The press photographers and television camera crews are hard pressed to get camera angles which don't show O'Bomber's teleprompter. Apparently, America is not to know O'Bomber is simply lost without his teleprompter.

This is the sign of a disorganized mind, poor memory, an inability to focus his thoughts and speak coherently and extemporaneously on subject matter he should know well.

All that soaring rhetoric we've heard came straight off O'Bomber's teleprompter, even though O'Bomber has had more than 2 years to work on all the ideas, legislation, programs and all the rest he's proposing as a course of action for the United States."

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posted March 06, 2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shall we contrast this with the previous President? I've seen Obama without teleprompter, and he was fine.

I frankly disagree wholeheartedly with the assessment that it's indicative of any of those traits being assigned him. What does the teleprompter offer the person using it? The ability to precisely communicate the intended message. It does the opposite of all the traits you used. The teleprompter organizes, remembers, and focuses the communication. If these things are important to a user, then it would make sense that the user would USE this tool.

I do agree that he ought not be using it for simple announcements.

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posted March 06, 2009 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen O'Bomber without teleprompter too. He sounded totally incoherent, hard to follow and all those uhhhhs, aahhhs and errr's with every other word only show he can't think on his feet and is unsure of what he's saying.

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posted March 06, 2009 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never heard him sound incoherant. I have heard him stammer as he collected his thoughts, but never have I witnessed him speaking in the way you describe.

As for showing an inability to think on his feet, and showing certain insecurity in what he's saying I can say I've definitely seen that in Bush, a guy you thoroughly respect.

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posted March 06, 2009 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted the audio of one of O'Bomber's speeches when he was in Jordan...uhhh, ahhh, ummmm, errr.

Even Letterman did a segment on O'Bomber's stuttering, stammering and incoherence.

Guess you just didn't want to know...and still don't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThEAO0lt4Dw&feature=related

This is O'Bomber in Jordan. More than 7 minutes of his 40 minute speech consisted of uhhh, ummmm, ahhh...with no repeats. In other words, this 7 minute audio wasn't looped to make O'Bomber look bad. He did that all on his own. That's the reason O'Bomber is never without his teleprompter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc

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posted March 06, 2009 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
apologies jw, i had already removed my remark about your lack of personal input before your reply showed up.

but i have to ask you...do you do much public speaking? have you EVER had so many different things on your plate as obama has right now at the very beginning of his term? 40 minutes is a lot of speaking. and a lot to remember. what are teleprompters for, but to refer to??

and what do you think of people who constantly ridicule bush for HIS public speaking style??

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posted March 09, 2009 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This is O'Bomber in Jordan. More than 7 minutes of his 40 minute speech consisted of uhhh, ummmm, ahhh...with no repeats. In other words, this 7 minute audio wasn't looped to make O'Bomber look bad. He did that all on his own. That's the reason O'Bomber is never without his teleprompter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc

I watched this one first. No video. Just the claim that it's not looped. To bolster its credibility it referenced mainstream news articles about his speech, which DIDN'T say a single word about him stammering for seven and a half minutes. That is a shoddy piece of evidence if I ever saw one.

Here's a video of Obama speaking live in Amman without a teleprompter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B7cbm68wPU


It's funny that you bring up Letterman, because I catch him about once every two weeks, and yet I know he does a regular segment called Great Moments in Presidential Speeches where he regularly shows actual video of Bush not being very composed or slick in speech. You can look those up. They're there, with video.

Your Letterman video took the "uhs" and separated them from the sentences he was speaking generally, so there was no confirmation of your claim that he's stammering and incoherant.

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posted March 09, 2009 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the few times GW did not embarrass himself and this country in public with his disorganized mind was when he had a shoe thrown at his head. He focused his reactive skills by extemporaneously ducking. Well done

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well public speaking is very difficult no matter how well you know the information. very hard to keep out the ah and uhm no matter how well versed, even when you are aware you are doing it. there are a ton of other more serious issues that matter that are happening right now, teleprompter is really quite trivial.

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posted March 09, 2009 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A real President who doesn't uhhhh, ahhhh, ummmm and errrr, lays out the policy straightforwardly and truthfully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMj9g6WRLfQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq-MuEms00w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkOCIfNQXP0&feature=related

Some want to give O'Bomber a break. After all they say, he's under a lot of pressure and it's understandable that he's uhhhing, ahhhing, ummming and errring when he doesn't have his trusty teleprompter.

On the other hand, Bush was never presented to the American people as a paragon of eloquence. O'Bomber was. Bush was never known for giving great speeches with soaring eloquence/rhetoric. O'Bomber was.

The O'Bomber crew has never challenged the tape of O'Bomber stuttering, stammering, hemming and hawing and incoherence in Jordan. How could they, it's all on tape...even though members of the so called Main Stream Media have removed all evidence of O'Bomber's incoherence when they published the text of the speech.

So now, we find that like most of the rest of the O'Bomber persona, that eloquence and soaring rhetoric is a fake. O'Bomber is a total construct where nothing about him which is presented to the public is real...except that he exists. Even there, his name has changed from Barry H. Sorrento to Barack Hussein Obama.

I neglected to state one other reason for uhhhing, ahhhhing, ummming and errring. When you lie through your teeth as often as O'Bomber lies, it's hard to keep track of all your lies you've told before. Wouldn't want to step on any of your previous lies, slip up and actually tell the truth...for once.

BTW, when an interviewer...one who happens to be fore square in your corner...Perky Katie..throws you softball questions, one would expect you to hit them out of the park. That, after all was the purpose in asking those particular questions in the first place.

Let me ask O'Bomber some pertinent and relevant questions and he would flee the set or have a total meltdown. You know, ask the kinds of questions reserved for Bush...or other Republicans.

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posted March 09, 2009 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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On the other hand, Bush was never presented to the American people as a paragon of eloquence. O'Bomber was.

So because people recognize that Obama can string words together coherantly, he's no longer allowed to say "Uh," but conversely if he'd not shown himself to be good at speaking he'd have been given a pass?

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The O'Bomber crew has never challenged the tape of O'Bomber stuttering, stammering, hemming and hawing and incoherence in Jordan.

Why would you challenge something that doesn't exist? Just because someone created this bit of audio does not mean that it warrants a response.

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I neglected to state one other reason for uhhhing, ahhhhing, ummming and errring. When you lie through your teeth as often as O'Bomber lies, it's hard to keep track of all your lies you've told before. Wouldn't want to step on any of your previous lies, slip up and actually tell the truth...for once.

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Let me ask O'Bomber some pertinent and relevant questions and he would flee the set or have a total meltdown. You know, ask the kinds of questions reserved for Bush...or other Republicans.

I doubt it would play out as you imagine.

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posted March 09, 2009 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jhwop you will drown in the sea of your picaune complaints....

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posted March 09, 2009 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O'Bomber doesn't string words together with any degree of eloquence. Those words you hear coming out of O'Bomber's mouth were not written by O'Bomber and he reads other people's words straight off a teleprompter...words others have typed and placed there for O'Bomber to read.

No wonder O'Bomber refused to have debates with McCain in town hall meetings. No way to control the questions which would be asked there and O'Bomber would have been "unmasked".

Oh look, katatonic has learned a new word.

The word for the day is:
picaune.

Let me clean that up for you katatonic. The word is picayune...meaning of little of no value.

Incidentally, there's a famous so called "newspaper" by that name...one with a "Times" masthead. Appropriately, it's the Times-Picayune from New Orleans, one of the most corrupt cities in the United States, rivaling Chicago.


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posted March 09, 2009 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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...lays out the policy straightforwardly and truthfully.
Yes we were truthfully told about all policies. Those Of straightforwardly ripping the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and Habeas Corpus to shreds. Mission accomplished. Hilarious, except for the fact that thousands have died.
    The photo ban of dead soldiers was lifted in late Feb. The Pentagon did not want cameras around taking pictures of caskets. Must be another National Security thing.
And the budget will now reflect the monetary cost of war. Hidden previously by the Bush Administration. The Bill was paid for war by executive order, monthly I believe. Pretty truthful about that too. Full disclosure.
    The list of lies, deflection, misappropriation, and outright crimes is long, but I don't want to seem picayune-ish about it. No one truly responsible for the crimes will go to jail. And when they finally hear what Rove has to say (after cutting a deal, he was served three subpoenas) he is only subject to perjury charges. I think I hear the sound of a wrist slap 6 months in the future.

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posted March 09, 2009 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh look a typo! and one in your post "exposing" my ignorance too! "meaning of little of no value..."

my bad - and my point illustrated. even jwhop makes mistakes, typos etc, does that mean you are lying or ignorant??

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aw - not only is it public speaking day, it is vocabulary test.

how about this one - erroneous - Derived from an error (add the word speculation and it would indicate much of waht is written here at times)

i disagree that uhm, and uh, are words that indicate lies, as i have had to explain tolarge groups of people about thier benefits and was very aware of every uh, adn uhm uttered, and seriously, what would be thepoint of lying about healh insurance coverage.

gheeskas.

majoring on the minors is an energy sucking pastime. you are smarter than that.

go back to the drawing board and come up with something over my head. (left myself wide open on purpose possibly for amusement)

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posted March 09, 2009 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Node, thanks for dropping by.

Now, since you've introduced old arguments here, along the lines of "Bush lied, people died", along the lines Bush ripped and shredded the US Constitution...I'm going to give you the opportunity to state the exact lie(s) Bush told, with appropriate documentation from one or more Bush speeches and proper attribution.

I'm also going to give you the opportunity to state what Constitutional Rights Bush voided for American citizens, whose specific Constitutional Rights Bush abridged, when and where.

I've challenged others here on these subjects in the past and not one person has been able to come up with documentation from any credible source to back up their allegations. Hint, a post on Puffington Post, a post at move on or demoscat underground are not in any way acceptable. I want hard sources...Bush in his own words in quotes and evidence what he said was a lie.."a deliberate attempt to deceive those who hear the words being spoken or written.". That's what constitutes a lie.

Now Node, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for you to prove what you've said.

As for Rove, he's well within his rights to claim executive privilege...as that privilege has been asserted down through the years. The thrust of this so called investigation..which is really nothing more than a "witch hunt" is overblown, irrelevant and off issue because those US Attorneys worked at the pleasure of Bush and he could fire them all for cause or for no cause whatsoever.

Forgotten by Congressional leftist weasels..and others, is the fact Kommander Korruption fired every US Attorney in the United States..except one. Now one of those US Attorneys happened to be investigating Bill and Hill in the White Water scandal. Kommander Korruption fired 92 of 93 to get that one out of office and off his ass. I don't recall hearing any screeching, howling and shrieking when Kommander Korruption fired 92 of 93 US Attorneys almost immediately upon assuming the Presidency. He had the right to do so and so did Bush have the right to fire or not renew the contracts of the 8 US Attorneys he let go.

Got it? These people serve at the pleasure of the President of the United States and can be dismissed for any reason..or for no stated reason whatsoever.

It does raise an interesting question though Node. Where were you when Kommander Korruption fired 92 of 93 US Attorneys almost immediately after taking the oath of office? Were you howling and shrieking then about corruption on the part of Clinton. If not Node, then why not? One would think you should at least be consistent in what you say you believe.

Perhaps you were too young back then to know what was going on in Kommander Korruption's administration. If so Node, this is your chance to denounce Kommander Korruption for doing the very same thing Bush did...except KK didn't just dismiss 8 US Attorneys but almost the entire crew.

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posted March 09, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pic⋅a⋅yune   /ˌpɪkiˈyun, Show Spelled Pronunciation [pik-ee-yoon]
–adjective Also, pic⋅a⋅yun⋅ish. Informal.
1. of little value or account

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posted March 09, 2009 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i see jwhop also thinks its okay for him not to answer people who question his diction/spelling!! but NOT the president - oops, sorry, ET obama

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posted March 09, 2009 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"oh look a typo! and one in your post "exposing" my ignorance too! "meaning of little of no value..."
my bad - and my point illustrated. even jwhop makes mistakes, typos etc, does that mean you are lying or ignorant??"

since i was 6, jwhop, no one has yet caught me out in spelling or vocabulary. a typo is something else, as i expect you would acknowledge...

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posted March 09, 2009 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I did use a preposition instead of a conjunction..didn't I.

I've also been known to employ the occasional split infinitive and dangle participles.

OK katatonic, we'll pass picaune off as a typographical error...as you suggest.

Are you questioning my "diction"?

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