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Mannu
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posted April 29, 2009 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WTF?


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Egypt began slaughtering the roughly 300,000 pigs in the country Wednesday as a precaution against swine flu even though no cases have been reported here, infuriating farmers who blocked streets and stoned vehicles of Health Ministry workers who came to carry out the government's order. The measure was a stark expression of the panic the deadly outbreak is spreading around the world, especially in poor countries with weak public health systems. Egypt responded similarly a few years ago to an outbreak of bird flu, which is endemic to the country and has killed two dozen

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posted April 29, 2009 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, I'm confused here. Help me out.

Isn't Egypt a nation of Muslims? Muslims who wouldn't be caught within a mile of a pig?

So, considering swine are unclean to Muslims, how are there 300,000 pigs in Egypt?

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posted April 29, 2009 04:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
they are allowed to farm them for the christians or non muslims. you know that jwhop.

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posted April 29, 2009 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's more on that
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_swine_flu


CAIRO – Egypt began slaughtering the roughly 300,000 pigs in the country Wednesday as a precaution against swine flu even though no cases have been reported here, infuriating farmers who blocked streets and stoned vehicles of Health Ministry workers who came to carry out the government's order.

The measure was a stark expression of the panic the deadly outbreak is spreading around the world, especially in poor countries with weak public health systems. Egypt responded similarly a few years ago to an outbreak of bird flu, which is endemic to the country and has killed two dozen people.

At one large pig farming center just north of Cairo, scores of angry farmers blocked the street to prevent Health Ministry workers in trucks and bulldozers from coming in to slaughter the animals. Some pelted the vehicles with rocks and shattered their windshields and the workers left without killing any pigs.

"We remind Hosni Mubarak that we are all Egyptians. Where does he want us to go?" said Gergis Faris, a 46-year-old pig farmer in another part of Cairo who collects garbage to feed his animals. "We are uneducated people, just living day by day and trying to make a living, and now if our pigs are taken from us without compensation, how are we supposed to live?"

Most in the Muslim world consider pigs unclean animals and do not eat pork because of religious restrictions. One Islamic militant Web site carried comments Wednesday saying swine flu was God's revenge against "infidels."

Pigs are banned entirely in some Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Libya. However in other parts of the Muslim world, they are often raised by religious minorities who can eat pork.

In Jordan, the government decided Wednesday to shut down the country's five pig farms, involving 800 animals, for violating public health safety regulations. Half the pigs will be killed and the rest will be relocated to areas away from the population, officials said.

In Egypt, pigs are raised and consumed mainly by the Christian minority, which some estimates put at 10 percent of the population. Health Ministry spokesman Abdel-Rahman Shaheen estimated there are between 300,000-350,000 pigs in Egypt.

"It has been decided to immediately start slaughtering all the pigs in Egypt using the full capacity of the country's slaughterhouses," Health Minister Hatem el-Gabaly told reporters after a Cabinet meeting with President Hosni Mubarak.

Global health experts said the mass slaughter of pigs is entirely unnecessary and a waste of resources. But Egypt's reaction was colored by its experiences with bird flu.

Bird flu started sweeping through poultry populations across Asia in 2003 and then jumped to humans, killing more than 250 worldwide.

Egypt was among the countries hardest hit. According to the World Health Organization, it has the world's fourth highest death toll — after Indonesia, Vietnam and China — and the largest outside of Asia. WHO has confirmed 23 deaths in Egypt and Egyptian authorities have reported three more deaths in recent weeks.

Chickens used to roam every dusty street in every village across Egypt, and many of its city alleys too. But when the disease first appeared here in February 2006, 25 million birds were killed within weeks, devastating the poultry sector and particularly the family farmers. Chickens nearly all vanished from sight, slaughtered, abandoned or locked away by a population increasingly aware of, and frightened by, the disease's stubborn grip.

The latest measure appeared designed to avert a similar panic.

Swine flu is blamed for more than 150 deaths in Mexico and U.S. health officials reported on Wednesday the first known death outside Mexico — a 23-month-old Mexican boy in Texas. It has spread to Europe, Asia and Israel, which shares a border with Egypt.

Experts suspect swine flu, a strange new mix of pig, bird and human flu virus, originated with pigs then jumped to humans and is now spreading through human-to-human contact. Health authorities have said you cannot contract the flu by eating pork.

"It is unfortunate," the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization Chief Veterinary Officer Joseph Domenech said of Egypt's decision. "The crisis today is in transmission from human to human. It has nothing to do with pigs," he told The Associated Press.

In the northern suburbs of Cairo Wednesday, health authorities killed 250 pigs and buried them. Angry farmers demanded compensation and provincial governors paid them around 1,000 Egyptian pounds (about $180) per head. The farmers asked for an official government decision to set a price for each pig slaughtered.

Agriculture Minister Amin Abaza told reporters that farmers would be allowed to sell the pork meat so there would be no need for compensation

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posted April 29, 2009 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"they are allowed to farm them for the christians or non muslims. you know that jwhop."

No, actually I didn't know that at all. It seems contrary to their religious beliefs..or what they say they believe.

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posted April 29, 2009 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well even though 90 percent of the population is muslim they are a republic and have a constitution.
Perhaps these farmers make profits exporting swines or serving christians and non muslims -- the same way the indians exports cow meat to muslims nations

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posted April 29, 2009 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps

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posted April 30, 2009 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i knew something you didn't know ..
do dah do dah
i knew something you didn't know..
oh da do da day!

(it doesn't happen often, let me bask for 4 more minutes)

do dah do dah oh da do dah day

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posted April 30, 2009 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
while killing all the pigs is a LITTLE DRASTIC(!) it does seem crazy that there are pig farmers living in cairo...maybe a little attention to hygiene conditions is warranted! i wonder how many of the dead mexicans had pigs living in their back yards in the city?

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posted April 30, 2009 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh da do dah day!!

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good question kat. I never wanted to venture too far off the beaten path anywhere in Mexico. I barely felt safe 1 block over. i imagine they have swine and chickens in the yards. it is an impoverished country and cleanliness standards are certainly different.

the killing of the porkies in egypt was not necessary, but as per thier beliefs overall, i am not surprised they did it.

wash wash wash your hands
keep the flu away
all the time we wash our hands
so healthy we will stay



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posted May 17, 2009 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah I remember reading this. It's terrible and makes me feel shameful.

First of all, there are pig farmers out there, but the sanitation is terrible.

Second, people are just stupid sometimes. End of story.

Oh, and Egypt is not ALL Muslims, by the way.
I did manage to have some pork there. Bacon. It was good.
There's no written rule that the entire damn country can't have bacon. Just Muslims.
So what we're actually talking about is the swine flu being used for purposes of discrimination.

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posted May 17, 2009 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edgar, is that the missing link ?

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posted November 25, 2009 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cute pic.

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posted July 07, 2011 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Difficult to believe they had that many pigs.

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posted July 08, 2011 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a big stink about very little.

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posted July 09, 2011 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree.

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posted July 10, 2011 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People unquestioningly believe anything they are told by an auhority figure.

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posted July 10, 2011 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yep, an authoritarian mob mentality fall out. I never had the vaccine nor will I.

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posted July 11, 2011 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me either! I mean, it was an admitted hoax by Dr. Robert Gallo during the Ford administration. No conspiracy there; he confessed. And now they bring it back again. Really?

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posted July 12, 2011 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny how you don't hear much about it anymore.

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