posted March 19, 2003 02:06 PM         

Mazz...

Well, from what I have learned, we all instinctively KNOW what the Tarot cards mean... they are a picture of the Collective Consiousness, as Carl Jung might say. As Linda and others have said, to educate does not mean "to put something IN" as much as to "draw something that's already inside OUT".

So, when we shuffle the cards, Higher Power or our own Higher Self (same thing), or our Guardian Angel, as you prefer... directs the shuffling so that the cards we need to tell us what we need to hear, appear where they need to in order to get the message across.

Or, if you prefer, in the nature of Synchronicity (whatever is born or done at a particular moment in Time, has the QUALITIES of that moment in Time) the cards we need will fall into the appopriate place.

And then there is the great standby.. what difference does it really make? If it works, does it really matter how? Some things are best left to Faith!

Purple Flame...

Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad if something I've said has been of help. Isn't that why we're here?

posted March 20, 2003 02:14 AM         

Well, that phrase basically sums up Carl Jung's theory of Synchronicity.

I feel it also pretty well sums up the WHY... if not the HOW, as to the reason astrology works.

"Whatever is born or done at this moment of time, has the qualities of this moment of time".

Synchronicity is meant to refer to an a-connecting principle. Which basically means that the one thing, is not CAUSING the other, merely reflecting it.

For example: when a person dreams that a loved one will get married, and then that person shortly afterwards does indeed announce their engagement. Bad analogy, but the dream didn't CAUSE the engagement.

I think this is best born out in the following ways:

1) In a Horary Question, Mercury is Rising and the person came to the astrologer inquiring if she could be a writer.

2) When a querent asks a question of the Tarot and a particular run of the cards comes up. This set of cards describes exactly what the person wanted to know. Then when they reshuffle the cards... several of the SAME cards show up in the next spread... sort of reinforcing the previous message.

As Linda said, all anaolgies are inherently bad, but I think you'll get the idea.

Hope that helps a bit.

posted March 20, 2003 02:38 AM         

Mazz, I used to wonder about the same thing -how we seem to pick exactly what we need to. More out of amazement than looking for a logical answer, though.
I have noticed often (and it always amazes me) how the same card keeps popping out at me when I shuffle the deck looking for a particular answer. They quite literally JUMP out - no exaggeration. And if I say to myself - maybe I'm reading too much into this, they will jump out again and again as if to say 'NO you're not!!!' And then they'll appear in my spread, more likely than not.

Hi Purple
'Happily ever after'....aaah.....that's it exactly.

posted March 20, 2003 08:14 AM         

either this or my merc retro takes me elsewhere.

before your response, my head conjured up the meaning 'simultaneous', 'happening at the same time', 'no demarcation lines'.

let's see if i can explain...

inherent in a moment of time is(are) quality (ties). whatever is born or done at a particular moment of time becomes infused with this 'time's' quality....like coming out of a womb in posession of the parents' genes... tis not about causality, yes...perhaps 'reflecting' is the closest one can get to describing it... yet to reflect posits the idea of two parties: a reflector and the reflection.

could it also be that there is no need to reflect?

because how can one or a thing reflect what that one or that thing already congenitally is?

to attribute qualities to time that have to be reflected defines time as an entity... which it is not...

that's where am docked at the moment.

thanks for the help, A.

my mind goes its own way, i know, yet i get your idea as well.

posted March 21, 2003 07:38 AM         

For me, the Tarot is Mystical, guided by the Higher Spirit of the Tarot.....I view it as a GIANT funnel that channels the bright light from the Divine, which in turn makes the visions crystal clear. Perhaps, I am just babbling, but what I am trying to convey is the magical, mystical aspect of the cards.

Bright Blessings

posted March 21, 2003 07:50 AM         

Blessed Be

posted March 21, 2003 01:04 PM         

If that is babbling, long may you babble!
By the way LTD, I work nights as well... it makes for an interesting lifestyle.

Mazz... as with Astrology, Tarot is a tool that we were given to help ourselves and others.

This does not mean that we must "run our lives" by the tools, but I believe that they are here to help offer clarity and distance, or objectivity, if you will, when we are too clouded by our own issues.

Everyone is not built to be an astrologer, nor is everyone built to be a Tarot Reader; but the tools are here for us to employ if we so choose.

Like everything else, we are free to "buy into" what the reader is saying or not. But sometimes it is nice to have the option of a little input from the "higher realms", as it were.

Hope this helps some!

posted March 21, 2003 01:15 PM         

Yes I am better rested, thank you.. but I have just come off another night shift (and a wee bit of a sugar coma thanks to some yummy Sugar Smacks this morning for breakfast)! <lest anyone think I am so evolved as to have discontinued my sugar addiction!>

In terms of the Mythic Tarot.. I actually do have it in my collection, but for reading I have been using either The Morgan Greer Deck, The Hanson Roberts Deck or the Robin Wood deck, depending upon the mood of the moment.

For Esoteric meditation/study, I use the B.O.T.A. Tarot. It is in black and white, for the student to color himself. (Though I must admit, the graphic arts are NOT my Gift in this incarnation. So I also have a book with that Higher Arcana painted by one much more Gifted than I).

I always advocate using whatever speaks to YOU. After all, isn't that what Divination is really all about? Giving the You of You a chance to speak?

posted March 21, 2003 10:55 PM         

So, you and I are the Guardians of LL on the night shift!!

posted March 23, 2003 12:22 AM         

LTD, I find I work better at nights as well, or late evening anyhow. Early mornings are a big no-no! Ecch, can't stand them. Unfortunately, my work doesn't allow me to avoid them as much as I would like.

posted March 23, 2003 12:17 PM         

B.O.T.A. stands for Builders of the Adytum, a Western Mystery School founded on the teachings of Tarot and Qabalah, by one of my favorite Teachers, Dr. Paul Foster Case.

He was a former Member of the Golden Dawn, and a Mason as well, and his teachings have made more sense to me than most others I have read from that Golden Dawn period. (Arthur Edward Waite, Aleister Crowley, MacGregor-Mathers, Dion Fortune and others of that period).

Yes I work better at night meself.. 5:30 in the morning is not in any way to be construed as a getting-out-of-bed time, unless it's for something FUN, FUN, FUN and even then, I prefer the crack of noon!

posted March 24, 2003 12:10 PM         

"The Queen of P, I'm not sure. She's a sensuous self assured kind of woman but I don't know much more about her."

One of the Magi aspects Donna told me about in my chart sounds a lot like what you just wrote. How'd you know? Just joking with you.

posted March 24, 2003 08:44 PM         

Nurturing: love and support, a warm, secure environment, making people feel better, the natural world, a green thumb, knowing animals.

Bighearted: will do any service for others,
is a soft touch, always has an open door and welcoming smile, gives freely and abundantly
is warm, generous and unselfish.

Down-to-Earth: handles problems matter-of-factly, allows others to be themselves,
has no pretensions or affectations, takes a simple, sensible approach, appreciates all the senses.

Resourceful: finds a use for whatever's at hand, is handy and versatile, makes a little go a long way, gets around every obstacle
comes up with what's needed.

posted March 29, 2003 12:55 AM         

I'm still interested to hear your take on the Emperor.

Hi Moth, thanks for the info on the Queen of P.

posted March 29, 2003 04:30 PM         

So am I, but what part are you from? I'm from the Norfolk county. Ever hear of a small town called Stoughton? Right under Boston, and on top of Foxboro?

posted March 29, 2003 05:40 PM         

I am living in Peabody, MA.. right next door to Salem, MA.

I have heard of Stoughton for sure... but I am geographically challenged, so I never was quite sure where it was.

Nice meeting you!