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FishKitten
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posted August 09, 2003 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings Aselzion and anyone else who cares to discuss this......

I read through an old thread on the English Cabala (or however you chose to spell it) and noticed a lot of discussion about the number 11. Once I heard about something called the God Number. The Number is 1123581347 or 112358134711, depending where you want to stop. This is a very interesting number. To get it, start with 1. Add each number to the one before it to get the next number. Since there is nothing before 1, 0+1=1, the next number. 1+1=2, then 2+1=3, then 3+2=5, then 5+3=8, then 8+5=13, then 1+3=4, then 4+3=7, then 7+4=11 and the whole thing repeats. Have I explained this adequately? Anyway, it is a very amazing number that seems to contain some messages. For one thing, as you see, it begins with 11 and goes on for ever. If you add up just the first series (1123581347), you get 8 (The number of eternity, etc. I'm sure I don't need to go into all that with you guys.) If you allow the 11 to repeat at the end, you get 10. Also a very magical number, as you know. I am familiar with the Kabbala, the Tree of Life, Gematria, Tarot ad infinitum and since I have been contemplating this "God Number", I've had some really great connections come about. I was just wondering if anyone else ever heard about this number or has any comments on it.

PS: I love the discusions in this forum and am going through the Tarot course with you. I have been practicing Tarot for decades, but in a group like this, there are always new insights to enlighten any participant. Thanks for sharing.

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posted August 09, 2003 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings...

Welcome FishKitten... Pisces with Leo something?

At any rate... the God number we were talking about was 26, the value of Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh, and other assorted English words or symbols that equate to that number.

The number that you speak of.. isn't that a part of the Fibonnacci series? That series of numbers that approximates the Golden Mean or Phi Ratio = 1.618034

My first teacher in Astrology talked alot about Pi and Phi. I have since read more about them in the books on The English Cabala and also the Secret Teachings of The Flower of Life books by Drunvalo Melchizedek.

At any rate... welcome to LindaLand and my little corner of it here. Please feel free to add any commentary or observations, sounds like you are pretty well versed in esoteric doctrines, and I always like to hear another viewpoint!

In the Light...
A

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posted August 09, 2003 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Right...Pisces Sun, Mercury, and Venus. Leo Ascendant, Moon, and Uranus. Plus Pluto conjunct Ascendant. Makes for an interesting time.

I knew that you guys were talking about the number 26, but thought it interesting that 1123581347 also adds up to 8, though through the 35 vibration, not the 26. I'd forgotten where I heard about the number, but I do think its from the Fibonnacci series, now that you've reminded me. I'll think about it some more and it will come back to me. I really like that the whole thing starts and ends with 11, which makes it begin all over. 1 and 1 starting a never ending cycle that always comes back to 1 and 1.

Thanks for the input!

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posted August 09, 2003 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus     Edit/Delete Message
Hi FishKitten

I also have Sun Mercury and Venus in Pisces, Leo Ascendant and Pluto conjunct Asc. But my Moon is Sag. What's your DOB?

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posted December 10, 2003 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
I just started getting in PHI!

Divine proportion . . . does anyone have input? I would love to learn more!

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posted December 11, 2003 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Mighty A...

Phi... a number related to FORM and beauty.

Phi = 1.618034 approximately

Pi... it's sister number, I believe, is more related to function.

Pi = 3.14159265 give or take

The Pentagram is a great illustration of Phi in action, and the symmetry and beauty it creates. I find the Pentagram/Pentacle to be a fascinating and well balanced tool for meditation and contemplation/elation, as Linda might say.

Give it a go and let me know what you think...

In the Light...
A


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"We meditate on the glory of the Creator
Who has created the Universe;
Who is worthy of worship;
Who is the embodiment of Knowledge and Light;
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posted December 12, 2003 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
VERY interesting!!!!!!

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posted December 16, 2003 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I mean both FK's and A's.

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posted December 16, 2003 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings...

Here's one for all you knowflakes with a mind for Math Magic to ponder...

One thing that popped into my head when I looked at it was that Tarot and Astrology are more interconnected than I may have thought.

Has anyone noticed what happens if you add up the numbers from 1 - 12 inclusive?

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12 = 78

For any budding Qabalists, that process is called finding the Theosophical Extension of a number. For example if you wanted to know the Theosophical Extension of 4:

1+2+3+4 = 10

As all astrologers know, there are 12 signs in the Zodiac, associated with the 12 Houses of a Horoscope Wheel. There are 78 cards in the Tarot deck. Hmmm!

As I have pointed out before, there are 22 cards in the Higher Arcana of the Tarot, and when you divide that by 7, the number of ancient planets, it produces a very close approximation of Pi.

22/7 = 3.14(2857)repeating

I find this rather intriguing. Any thoughts?

Happy Spiraling...

A

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"Aum bhoor buvah svaha
Tat savitur varenyam
Bhargo devasaya dheemahi
Dhiyo yo naha prachodayat." ****Gayatri Mantra****

"We meditate on the glory of the Creator
Who has created the Universe;
Who is worthy of worship;
Who is the embodiment of Knowledge and Light;
Who is the remover of Sin and Ignorance;
May He enlighten our intellect."

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posted December 17, 2003 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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posted December 17, 2003 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
indeed aselzion, pi is the constant in many proportional function equations.

phi is good at predicting growth in the natural world.

i think dividing the major arcana into the number of ancient planets is reading in a bit too much between story and mathematics.

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posted December 18, 2003 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings...

Mighty A...

I'm not so sure I'm reading into something or just observing what is already there. There are 22 Higher Arcana symbols in the Tarot, and at the time the Tarot was created there were 7 planets visible to the observers at that time.

As above So Below... one of the great Hermetic Principles. As within, so without. And as I have said elsewhere... "Omnia in numeris sita sunt" - everything lies veiled in numbers.

But I don't believe in coincidence, only Law that we don't recognize as such. Perhaps it's time to revisit the thread about the Kybalion?

It all speaks to my Inner Ear as a more intimate connection between Astrology and Tarot than I had first thought.

Prior to the discovery/recovery of the outer planets we had this scheme to work with for Tarot and Astrology:

0 Fool = Air (Mother Letter A in Hebraic alphabet)
1 Magician = Mercury
2 High Priestess = Moon
3 Empress = Venus
4 Emperor = Aries
5 Hierophant = Taurus
6 Lovers = Gemini
7 Chariot = Cancer
8 Strength = Leo
9 Hermit = Virgo
10 Wheel of Fortune = Jupiter
11 Justice = Libra
12 Hanged Man = Water (Mother letter M of Hebraic alphabet)
13Death = Scorpio
14 Tempreance = Sagittarius
15 Devil = Capricorn
16 Tower = Mars
17 Star = Aquarius
18 Moon = Pisces
19 Sun = Sun
20 Judgment = Fire ( Mother Letter Sh in Hebraic alphabet)
21 World = Saturn

In this scheme Earth as an element is not represented as the Qabalists felt that Malkuth, the Kingdom was the Physical Earth that we dwelt on. Also the Qabalists believed that Earth was formed or condensed by the other 3 elements.

Each Higher Arcana was attributed to one of the 22 letter of the Hebraic alphabet.

The 3 Mother letters: Aleph, Mem and Shin assigned to the elements.
The 7 Double letters that were assigned to the planets.
The 12 Single letters, allocated to the signs.

The Single letters have only one pronunciation. The Doubles have both a soft and a hard sound, hence double.

So is it a stretch, well I don't believe so, but I'm not all that much for science!

In the Light...
A

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"Aum bhoor buvah svaha
Tat savitur varenyam
Bhargo devasaya dheemahi
Dhiyo yo naha prachodayat." ****Gayatri Mantra****

"We meditate on the glory of the Creator
Who has created the Universe;
Who is worthy of worship;
Who is the embodiment of Knowledge and Light;
Who is the remover of Sin and Ignorance;
May He enlighten our intellect."

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posted December 20, 2003 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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posted January 11, 2004 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings...

Mighty A... if you think I was reading between the lines by dividing the 22 Higher Arcana by the 7 ancient planets... wait til you see this bit of spiraling.

The Cardinal Signs: 1+4+7+10 = 22 = the number of Higher Arcana Cards as well as the number of Hebrew Letters.

The Fixed Signs: 2+5+8+11 = 26 = the value of the 4 lettered Hebrew name for GOD IHVH often transliterated as Jehova. 26 is also the number of letters in the English alphabet. Hrmmm.

The Mutable Signs: 3+6+9+12 = 30. This is the number of degrees in each sign of the Circle of Life. There is another significance, but I am going to keep it a secret for a wee bit, as it has something to do with the Mystery of Libra, the only inanimate sign in the Zodiac.

Now the fun begins!

22+26+30 = 78 The full number of cards in the Tarot deck; as well as the numeration of the signs from Aries thru Pisces, as mentioned in a post above.

We know that there are 22 Higher Arcana cards, which I say correlate to the Cardinal Signs, so that would leave 78-22 = 56. Yes? Yes!

If we add the 26 (Fixed Signs) to the 30 (Mutable Signs) we get 56, the number of Lower Arcana cards.

If we add the 22 (Cardinal Signs) to the 30 (Mutable Signs) we get 52. This would be the number of cards in a regular deck of playing cards. It is also the number of weeks it takes for the Sun to make one revolution through the wheel of the Zodiac.

And so the spiraling goes on and on...

Bright Blessings...
A

P.S. If anyone gets persnickety about me not mentioning the last permutation: if we add the 22(Cardinal) to the 26 (Fixed) we get 48. 4+8= 12, and I think that is fairly self explanatory.

P.P.S. I'll have to spiral on the number 48 and see what the Qabalah has to tell me about that.

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posted January 11, 2004 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Aselzion...just a thought. You listed the numbers associated with the Tarot as they appear on the cards, but as we discussed previously on another thread, the Qabbalistic associations with the cards number them slightly differently. In that connection, the Fool is associated with the number 1, as it is the card of Adam Cadman, the soul in search of experience that will someday return to the Source via the Path it took out (the path associated with the ancient Hebrew letter Aleph). The Magician is connected with the second path (connected to the Hebrew letter Beth), which is, to put it simply, the Path home because it takes the soul back to its original incarnation that it first experienced as the Fool. So then the Priestess would be associated with the qabbalistic number 3 and the letter Gimel, which refers to maturity, etc. That puts the final card in the Tarot, The World, in association with the final, or 22nd, letter of the alphabet, which is Tov (TH) and represents a cross (or crossroads), which represents the distance the soul has travelled from the Source and is now at the place (again crossroads)where it can choose to turn away from the World and start its journey back, through all the other paths,toward Kether (the Crown or Source itself). I'm not sure when, why, or how the numbers associated with the Qabbalistic paths represented by the cards and the numbers on the cards themselves diverged (however slightly). Do you have any information about this?

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posted January 11, 2004 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Fishkitten...

Well, I think in addition to the 22 Higher Arcana falling on the Paths that connect the Sephiroth, they also fall within the Sephiroth themselves.

In this case, The Fool, numbered 0, is associated with Ain Soph Aur, the Limitless Light, one of the 3 veils of negative existence before the first emanation which is Kether.

The cards from the Magican to the Wheel of Fortune fall into the numbered Sephiroth from 1-10. Then the Wheel moves back into position in Kether for the next cycle bringing us to The Sun in Malkuth. The final cycle sees The Sun back in Kether and ends with The World (Saturn's card) in the 3rd Sephiroth, Binah, which is also associated with Saturn.

It's just kind of another way of looking at the pattern, but enlightening I feel.

Hope this helps a bit.

In the Light...
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posted January 11, 2004 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Very interesting. I never thought of it that way. I'll have to think on that a while. Thanks, Aselzion!

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posted January 16, 2004 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
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posted February 20, 2004 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
*bump*

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posted January 22, 2008 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yourfriendinspirit     Edit/Delete Message
*Bumped for a newbie exploring

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posted February 24, 2008 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Great string!

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posted April 05, 2008 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
*bump again*

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posted April 05, 2008 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jai     Edit/Delete Message
Previously, Aselzion asked,

"The number that you speak of.. isn't that a part of the Fibonnacci series? That series of numbers that approximates the Golden Mean or Phi Ratio = 1.618034"

The Fibonacci number series is very similar. It progresses like this:
1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89... Instead of adding the previous digit, you add the previous number.

I think it is very interesting how both ways of adding produces an effect. One pattern always bring you back to the master number 11 and the Fibonacci series represents the Golden Mean or Phi Ratio that we see repeated in nature so beautifully.

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posted April 06, 2008 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charlotte     Edit/Delete Message
Great! thread...

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posted May 09, 2008 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
*bump*

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