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posted August 27, 2003 03:05 PM         

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Just curious as to whether anyone else out there had heard of, been introduced to, or used an I-Ching deck for prophetic purposes??? Anyone have any experiences to share?
My ecclectic aunt gave me a deck for Christmas a few years ago that had belonged to a friend of hers. I find consulting the I-Ching oracle most reassuring during stressful or perplexing situations.

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posted August 27, 2003 03:22 PM         

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Hi VAA, I`ve missed you I never heard of it. Can you tell more about it? It sounds very interesting and appealing.

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posted August 27, 2003 04:03 PM         

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Hey my Aquarian chum...
Nice to know I've been missed.
Well, the I-Ching deck is, from what I've read, a collection of 64 cards that involve different combinations of 2 of the 8 trigrams. Trigrams are formed line-by-line by tossing three coins simultaneously and recording whether each of the coins fell on heads (3-a yang line) or tails (2-a yin line).
First, you come up with your question, making sure it's not the one word (yes/no) answer type. Then, you focus deeply on this question in your head while tossing the coins. After you've tossed the three coins together 6 times, and recorded the positions of the coin faces from bottom to top (the first throw makes up the bottom line of the six lines, which come together to form the 6-line hexagram), you add up the value of each line.
After adding each line up, you assign the appropriate type of line to that part of the hexagram- 6(-x-) moving yin line, 7(---) non-moving yang line, 8(- -) non-moving yin line, 9(-0-) moving yang line (and a line runs through the circle above and makes it a solid line, but don't know how to show that. Lastly, you consult your little chart that comes with your deck and figure out the name of each trigram contained in your hexagram.

For example, here is a recent question of mine:

"How would moving to Colorado affect Tony's relationship with me?"

6th toss) 3 2 2 = 7
5th toss) 3 2 2 = 7 } Sun
4th toss) 3 3 2 = 8

3rd toss) 2 2 3 = 7
2nd toss) 2 2 2 = 6 } Li
1st toss) 2 2 3 = 7

Sun on the top and Li on the bottom= card 37

Card 37 represents "THE FAMILY"
it reads:
"For the realization of what is taught in Chia Jen or for the regulation of the family what is most advantageous is that the wife be firm and correct. Harmony in the family is effected mainly by the cooperation of husband and wife in their several spheres. The superior man orders his words according to the truth of things and his conduct so that it is uniformly consistent."

And since "Six in the second place"...the following also applies:
"She takes nothing on herself, but confines herself to the preparation on food--good fortune"

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posted August 27, 2003 04:06 PM         

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Hope I explained well and didn't overwhelm you.
BTW, Sorry my little smiley face on last post turned up angry..an accident.

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posted August 28, 2003 09:16 AM         

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At first I was overwhelmed. The rereading ,it made perfect sense.

It appears you`re very in tune with the deck It sounds like there`s a message in there for you and your Colorado bound friend. .

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posted August 28, 2003 04:42 PM         

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I've used it a couple of times, and while it's cryptic, its advice is usually pretty good. I recommend a book called Chinese Astrology- in the back is a little I Ching, very easy to use, with no fluff at all.

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posted August 29, 2003 12:29 AM         

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Greetings...

I CHing is indeed very insightful. I had a great little book at one time called I Ching: A New Interpretation for Modern Times, but I gave it to a friend when I moved to Colorado to work with Linda.

Actually, having read this thread I popped on to Amazon.com and purchased it again, I think it a very useful and uncannily accurate interpretation of the I Ching. Of course I also have the old aunty boring hardcover by Wilhelm/Baynes. It is my standby, but I always liked to compare the two.

Needless to say, I do find I Ching a valuable tool for clarity, particularly when there is something that I can't be objective about for meself.

Bright Blessings...
A

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posted August 30, 2003 01:45 PM         

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Hey juninper...would it suprise you to know that the friend, Tony, mentioned in the I-Ching question, is my same frequently-mentioned "Gemini-guy"??
And QofS, thanks for the recommendation

Aselzion..much appreciation and warm blessing for extending your wise wisdom to my querry.
I will check into the book.

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posted August 30, 2003 04:14 PM         

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He must be quite a special guy

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posted August 30, 2003 08:48 PM         

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the original I-ching is several sticks that are dropped and the resulting pattern is interpretted with "the book of changes" (translation of I-ching). If you do a search online, there are some websites that will do a reading for you.

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posted August 31, 2003 09:17 AM         

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I was completely unaware of the I-Ching origins, so your info, purple zen, was very informative.
And yes, juniperb, I think he's quite a special guy too And I am hoping I'm in tune with the deck...
Only time will tell

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posted August 31, 2003 08:31 PM         

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I'm glad you appreciated the info virgo aries artist. I was afraid of sounding like a know-it-all (which I don't, lol).

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posted September 01, 2003 02:46 PM         

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I started doing I Ching today, and its really really good!
Actually there are three methods to do it as my book says...
There is the coin method, which is the easiest method
Then there is the yarrow stick method which sounds rather confusing but its cool with the candles and everything
Also its timeconsuming and each readig takes about an hour.
The third method is moving lines method.

I wanted to know about the I Ching cards, Virgo.. do they have a method or do you have to pick the cards like tarot cards?
I guess the 64 hexigrams are in each card..

I like the coin method the best
You have to toss it 6 times and according to the value you get yin and yang lines and they form a hexigram..

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posted September 01, 2003 04:20 PM         

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Well...as far as the cards go PinkAngel...there is one hexagram per card, and it explains what the specific hexagram means, as well as how the occurance of the moving lines, 6 and 9, affect the inital explanation.
I love my cards, but am definitely intrigued by the other methods. Either way, at some point I'd like to invest in a reliable and clear translation book of the I-Ching more in depth.

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posted September 02, 2003 01:48 PM         

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posted September 03, 2003 01:55 AM         

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Virgo...

Try amazon.com, there's like 450 I Ching hits that they have... I saw a couple that sounded really interesting, particularly one by a Master Huang called The Complete I Ching. Sounds really thorough, and I may have to get that one for my collection.

Peace...
A

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posted September 06, 2003 04:26 PM         

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my I[ching is coins,

3 coins that you throw three times, are we talking about something totaly different

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posted September 06, 2003 06:53 PM         

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Greetings...

Nope, same thing... just a different methodology for arriving at the hexagram that will answer your question.

The traditional method involves the yarrow stalks and takes quite a while to learn to do... almost a meditation.

An easier method is the casting of the coins. And more modern is the use of I ching oracle cards.

All just a way of finding the Oracle's answer to your desired question.

Hope that helps....

A

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posted September 09, 2003 10:50 AM         

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Hey there! This is my first posting, but I have been on the sidelines, reading and thought I'd add some input here. I have several tarot decks, chosen mostly for the beauty of them rather than traditionalism or clarity. For the last few years, I have gotten into my I Ching cards. I read about Taoism, and found it so simple and passive but also so deep that it was like a soul's whisper. So naturally, I was drawn to the I Ching cards for divination. I use the card method, as it is straight forward and aesthetically pleasing to the hands. A real sense of connectedness. I find that the readings I get are so full of insight and even (especially) things I don't necessarily want to know, but need to. I find myself asking similar questions over and over again to recreate that sense of being "on" in a reading. But then, thats just me and my life journey. I highly reccomend these cards though. I enjoy how steeped in ancestry they are and how the messages contained within speak to all sexes and walks of life when you really interpret them how you need to.

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posted September 09, 2003 02:06 PM         

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Welcome!

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posted September 09, 2003 02:49 PM         

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Randall- Thank You for the welcome. All these interesting topics of conversation tell me that I am more welcome than I realized initially. It's nice to hear others' thoughts and 'spirals'. I read some previous postings and found you to be very wise and informative. So Thank You again for the welcome!!!!

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posted September 13, 2003 04:52 AM         

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Greetings...

I just received Master Huang's The Complete I Ching, and also a set of Yarrow stalks for use in divination with the oracle.

I generally use the coins, but am interested in seeing if my results are better with the stalks or coins.

I'll keep ya posted...

In the Light...
A

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posted January 02, 2004 02:43 PM         

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Thanks, Pixel.

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posted January 03, 2004 02:51 PM         

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How are the stalks, A?

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posted January 03, 2004 04:56 PM         

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Greetings...

Well, I'm a wee bit ashamed to say this, but since I got the stalks, my mind has been busy working on the intricacies of the Qabalah/Tarot and Cube of Space connections, and I have had precious little time to experiment with the stalks.

I'm also stewing about writing my own book.. and having some difficulties staring at the blank computer screen... I have several chapters in various stages of completion, but there is little cohesion tying them together.

So I feel a wee bit stymied at the moment in that regard. And of course there is the ever-present backlog of coursework that I have to read through for my own Qabalistic studies...

Will keep ya posted though when I get a minute to cast the oracle with the stalks!

Blessings...
A

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