posted November 02, 2014 05:58 AM            

The cut cards were:
Man - Anchor - Rider

The whole tableau

flower-lilies-garden-whip-ring-ship-clover-sun
mount-key-man-coffin-scythe-stars-lady-heart
road-tree-moon-mice-snake-owls-anchor-fish
fox-book-bear-dog-house-cloud-child-letter
xxxxxxxxxstork-tower-cross-riderxxxxxxxx

It is a very ambigue picture I think.

The first four cards, are actually nice ones (flower-lilies-garden-whip). of course With the whip there might be disputes, disagreements in public (garden), possibly about something actually nice and pleasant (flower-lilies)?
However in my own spreads I have often found the whip, if near the flowers, to mean a little flirtative banter or teasing, sometimes dancing. So I suppose it could be both.

The corner cards are flower-Sun-fox-letter
Except for the fox in there, these are rather nice, especially the Flower-letter and Flower-Sun-combination.

Since flower is the very first card in the whole tableau, I tend to pay a lot of attention that one. Might speak of the appreciation I experienced, or am going to experience. Nothing wildly significant, but pleasant.

However the last line puts a clear damper on that overview (I used to work with 9x4 spreads, so I am not totally clear about how to work with the last line).

I am speaking specifically about the tower and the cross, which looks just like a Oh-No-combination. And seriously, see the coffin and scythe in my past, though not the direct one? I think I have had my fill of depression, pain and headaches.
So the tower and cross in that last line really is not a welcome sight to me.
It confuses me though that it is framed by the storks and the rider, which to me are very positive cards in that they announce the change.
Maybe a change that had already been started but then somehow was getting stuck (in the tower-cross)?
Anyway I read in one of the interpretation books about cross that it fatefully pulls you to the right card, if you want it or not.
Now I do not know if that is true, that it intensifies the following card, but who knows?
If the cross had followed the Rider I would have interpreted as a painful message (the right card usually is the adjective describing the noun coming before).
In this case however it ends on the Rider. So I suppose whatever the pain is that is described in the cross it ultimately leads to something new.

Despite these being heavy cards, if you look more closely at the lady, she is surrounded by pretty positive cards. At least no real nasties around. And I am quite close to the end of the line, so there might be a change coming up soon. Interestingly, of course I was mostly interested in romance and love, so the heart would be important. It is in the future of the lady (lets not talk about the man in this spread, it seems he has a tough time; using the boxing technicuqe, whip-coffin-mice in his future column, using the future line coffin-scythe in his future, using the dioganals, whip and in the other direction mice-house-rider in the distant future. Poor lad, seems to have a troublesome time. Of course the man is in my past, yet at the same time I am in his future. Since we are on the same line there are no meeting lines, except for the cards between us, coffin-scythe-stars, and yes things HAD to change, we do both knight the RING and the SNAKE - anyway as I said let`s not talk abot him).

However as nice it is to have the heart in my future. There is not much that can be said about love in that spread, except that it will be important.

Well, we cannot box the heart, as the future column is missing. we do know though that the SUN is above it, influencing it, and underneath we find FISH and LETTER (btw I have found fish not only to signify finances, but in fact some kind of souldepth, or alcohol. lol)
Well, in the first book I ever read on lenormand, they attributed several cards to people, and Fish was attributed to a fire-man.
(Road would be the fire-woman, Lilies an Air-man, Flowers an Air-woman, Snake an earth-woman, house a water man, and I forgot about the others. lol it has to do with cartomancy I believe as these cards represents kings and ladies).

for the past, the love-factor was influenced by CLOVER, something sudden and positive, but a small luck.

in the other past diagonal we find
CROSS-CLOUD-ANCHOR

Well let`s just put it this way, cross-cloud-combination in my past romantic life speaks VOLUMES.

But anyway, I was more interested in the heart than the GT was telling me, so I did a 5 line spread with significator card.

The cut cards (key-factors): Scythe-Man-Rider

(so the rider and man again, just like in the GT)

the line of 5:

coffin - ship - heart - anchor - man

It actually made me almost laugh to find the ship and anchor surrounding the heart, both marine symbols, and sort of contrasting each other.

coffin and ship being in the past, leading up to the focus card. And yes again it all began with an ending, a huge transformation (I see the coffin card similia to the Death card in tarot, maybe a little worse. lol)

Paired with the ship in this sequence it did not put a stop to a change (that would have been, had coffin followed the hip), but actually the ending led to a change, or the ending was changed, no real clue yet.

in the future of my love life we find anchor and man, so it seems like a man will play a role (of course this card is energized, and I forgot to neutralize it, before doing the line of 5 *sighs*)

Mirroring the cards we mirror ship with anchor, so there is a lasting change, or the image I actually had was shipping into a harbour. lol
Let`s wait and see.

We can also mirror Coffin and Man. There seems to be either a depressed man, or an ending for a man, or an ending because of a man, or anything in between.

I find it encouraging though that the spread starts with the coffin and then the cards gradually improve from there.

posted November 02, 2014 06:31 AM            

so in my spread that would be:

posted November 02, 2014 08:47 AM            

For this, in order to understand what Fox means - since Fox means many things - I look at the house where it lies. So Fox is in house 25 - the Ring - then Ring is in the house of the Tree - this suggests some long-term contract to me, so it could be work related.

Stork + Tower is related to important changes brought by an official matter or authorities or the birth of a baby. In order to understand Stork and Tower better, I would look at its house - Key for Stork, then look to see where Key is - in the Scythe house - which enhances the meaning that this Stork brings a "cut", an abrupt or unexpected ending/new beginning. Then looking at Tower, we see it's in the house of the Fish and Fish is in the house of the Heart. So Tower is Heart related. But Tower has three long-term/commitment cards above it - so it could be an engagement. So Stork + Tower lead to fate or ending (Cross) and after that, things change rapidly. Rider can also mean moving away from a situation.

Looking at you, I see you have this Fish in Heart house in your future. Apart from that, the cards don't tell much about your future, the unknown component is strong with you at the end of the line, but you're surrounded with good energy: Heart before you in the house of the Stars and Stars in the house of Love

I hope I didn't make too many mistakes, like seeing the wrong houses or anything lol

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posted November 02, 2014 10:12 AM            

While I have done quite a bit of research and exercising when it comes to the combinations of the cards, I have not yet really delved into the house meanings, but I find these intresting. Especially with the many variations of interpretation.

Do you know why the house of fox is associated with love, as I have repeatedly read?

"So Fox is in house 25 - the Ring - then Ring is in the house of the Tree - this suggests some long-term contract to me, so it could be work related."

Since fox could also be something shady/ sneaky, would that possibly mean a not so honest or open contract?

"In order to understand Stork and Tower better, I would look at its house - Key for Stork, then look to see where Key is - in the Scythe house - which enhances the meaning that this Stork brings a "cut", an abrupt or unexpected ending/new beginning."
I find this chaining interesting.
Since Key is a YES-card, is that true for the house as well, so thus here emphasizing that some sort of change is certain?

Or is it the cutting that is emphasized and confirmed, as Key is in the house of scythe?

"Looking at you, I see you have this Fish in Heart house in your future."
Since the fish is about abundance, I consider that a positive sign.

" Heart before you in the house of the Stars and Stars in the house of Love"
Yes, that looks nice. All my needs shall be fulfilled (take notice, I said "needs", not "wants", sometimes that can be a tad different. )

But yes, I do definitely feel that change in the process of becoming (actually I think it has already started, though still in subtle ways). But I also feel it is before anything else an internal change. A change of how I approach things, but of course this internal changing is the condition on which the external change will follow.

posted November 02, 2014 10:16 AM            

Would that speak of a karmic (or long lasting or slow growing) friendship with a man?

posted November 02, 2014 11:55 AM            

Lenormand is more literal and often eventoriented.
Tarot seems to often be more equipped to illuminate underlying motivations and psychological issues (though there are overlaps of course).

posted November 02, 2014 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thanks.

While I have done quite a bit of research and exercising when it comes to the combinations of the cards, I have not yet really delved into the house meanings, but I find these intresting. Especially with the many variations of interpretation.

Do you know why the house of fox is associated with love, as I have repeatedly read?

"So Fox is in house 25 - the Ring - then Ring is in the house of the Tree - this suggests some long-term contract to me, so it could be work related."

Since fox could also be something shady/ sneaky, would that possibly mean a not so honest or open contract?

"In order to understand Stork and Tower better, I would look at its house - Key for Stork, then look to see where Key is - in the Scythe house - which enhances the meaning that this Stork brings a "cut", an abrupt or unexpected ending/new beginning."
I find this chaining interesting.
Since Key is a YES-card, is that true for the house as well, so thus here emphasizing that some sort of change is certain?

Or is it the cutting that is emphasized and confirmed, as Key is in the house of scythe?

"Looking at you, I see you have this Fish in Heart house in your future."
Since the fish is about abundance, I consider that a positive sign.

" Heart before you in the house of the Stars and Stars in the house of Love"
Yes, that looks nice. All my needs shall be fulfilled (take notice, I said "needs", not "wants", sometimes that can be a tad different. )

But yes, I do definitely feel that change in the process of becoming (actually I think it has already started, though still in subtle ways). But I also feel it is before anything else an internal change. A change of how I approach things, but of course this internal changing is the condition on which the external change will follow.

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I have no idea yet why house 14 is the House of Love; I'm reading in my own language and over the internet and ready to dive into the original French books. But so far it seems the meanings to cards/houses slightly differ depending on the theme of the reading: for example Love ans a theme, 14 is definitely a love house.

Some descriptions here:
http://goldenmousedeer.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/lenormand-card-meaning/

I think it's a good thing to start with the Fate Line, after understanding the corners (along with the cutting cards as the theme). The corners and the Fate line should be connected - they are about the theme, the current issue, and certainly the Fate line is about the next major stage. The rest of the reading tells you the story unfolding to this major stage, IMO.

So in your case, if you start with trying to understand Stork + Tower, the Fish before you has the same meaning suggested by translating Stork + Tower in their respective houses - the connection Stork-Key-Scythe and Tower Fish Heart, so I think the Fish before you cannot have a different meaning than the one progressively discovered if you start with the Fate line.

I'm not sure yet, but intuitively, Stork in the house of the Key means a permanent solution. if Key is in the house of Scythe, this is even emphasized: a radical solution: translation of the three of them together Stork Key Scythe is: change is the only solution. Or simply the combo Stork-Tower produces a radical change/view in the querent - we shouldn't forget this is about you, so it's your fate line - followed by Cross then Rider, so it fits. I think your reading must be about some major event or turning point, IMO. It's not a relaxed, no events spread lol

posted November 02, 2014 01:55 PM            

"I think it's a good thing to start with the Fate Line, after understanding the corners (along with the cutting cards as the theme)."

I would start with the cutting cards, apparently the first 4 cards are also of importance, then the corner cards and fate line. In fact I think the very last card might be like an exclamation mark of what is to come.

"so I think the Fish before you cannot have a different meaning than the one progressively discovered if you start with the Fate line."
While I do agree that it has to be coherent, what do you mean with the Fish before me?
The diagonal to the lady to the future, right under the heart

"a radical solution: translation of the three of them together Stork Key Scythe is: change is the only solution."
Yes, I would agree with that.

" Or simply the combo Stork-Tower produces a radical change/view in the querent - we shouldn't forget this is about you, so it's your fate line - followed by Cross then Rider, so it fits."
Yes, I suppose I have to go beyond a few skelettons from my past, before the new can really be implanted.

" I think your reading must be about some major event or turning point, IMO. It's not a relaxed, no events spread lol"
No, it certainly isn`t. lol
I am curious to see how it will unfold (the timeframe was "until february 2015" I am not even sure why I verbalized it like that. Ther eis no real reason for emphasizing february next year. lol)

posted November 02, 2014 02:55 PM            

This sounds great and in tune what I've been reading so far.

By "Fish before" I meant ahead of you, because Fish is the more distant future, if we consider interpreting upper diagonal (right as immediate future, present-future in fact, what's on your mind, surrounding you right now, intention) - the direct line before you coming next and the lower right diagonal as coming after the direct line in front of you.

Personally, since analyzing the Fate line takes us to Fish, I would give Fish the meaning suggested by the Fate Line. A bit of looking in reverse, this one lol

posted November 03, 2014 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I am in the middle of going by her method (awesome link BTW! Very very much informative) but for my farthest past I got Lily + Key + Woman. I don't know how to make "important man" and "important woman" cohesive. A little help at all?

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Woman is your significator card, with the Lily and the connection through key, there might have been very significant experiences in relation with either a family member or of a sexual nature (possibly with someone older than you).

Lily is confusing as it can denote so many things like family, but also procreation, sexual affair etc.

In this instance it would probably be interesting to check in which houses does lily fall. It is in the house of house, IŽd say it most likely pertains to a family member; was it in the house of heart or ring it might have to do with affairs of the heart.

posted November 03, 2014 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
BTW, I think a card in its own house emphasizes that house, something important is happening in relation to that card/house; at least this is what I've read.

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Hmm book is emphasized here. Could either be a secret or some kind of knowledge.