posted November 05, 2014 02:51 PM            

"On the Lady’s side:

Above the Lady: Her thoughts and plans
Left of the Lady: Her hopes and desires
Right of the Lady: Qualities she displays in the relationship
Below the Lady: Her feelings

On the Gentleman’s side:

Above the Gentleman: His thoughts and plans
Right of the Gentleman: His hopes and desires
Left of the Gentleman: Qualities he displays in the relationship
Below the Gentleman: His feelings"

I did this spread for a couple.

her thoughts/ plans: BIRDS
her hopes/ desires: MOUNTAINS
her qualities: SNAKE
her feelings: ROAD

sum: 8/ COFFIN

his thoughts: MICE
his hopes: CROSS
his qualities: KEY
his feelings: FOX

sum: 7 /SNAKE

together: 15/ BEAR

posted November 05, 2014 03:49 PM            

but I found it hre

posted November 06, 2014 07:55 AM            

People should use contraception..

posted November 06, 2014 08:38 AM            

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People should use contraception..

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posted November 06, 2014 09:01 AM            

But it looks like they both want to end something.

posted November 06, 2014 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:

People should use contraception..

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posted November 06, 2014 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No one hopes/desires obstacles, so Mountain must mean something else here.

But it looks like they both want to end something.

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posted November 06, 2014 10:26 AM            

I think the last card/fate line is always the one we should consider when interpreting. They have difficult cards, both, pointing to a difficult situation. bear in this context could mean the difficulty comes from money or a man in authority or someone's father.

I would look like this: combine thoughts/plans + hopes/wishes for both

So Birds plus Mountain for her - discussions related to difficulties, unproductive conversations - she's probably going on and on about something or, the contrary, doesn't want to talk at all, she blocked the communication

For him, Mice plus Cross - apparently this means a repeated loss, loosing again

I don't know what qualities means in the context of this spread (is it an exclusively positive line? qualities), but Snake is also woman and we see Snake is his sum too. So it's either a dark haired woman, a theft, a betrayal. Snake could be positive though: intelligence, finding an intelligent solution, and he has Key as quality, so maybe they're both looking for a solution. I would draw a card or two on Snake for additional info.

Her feelings show she must take a decision, it's a crossroad here, she feels at a crossroad. His feelings is the controversial Fox card lol I can't master yet.

Anyway, everything in this thread should be related to Bear. If one understands Bear, one understands the spread IMO. So I would draw additional cards on Bear too.

But if you want to know what is BETWEEN them rather than their current situation, I suppose you should make another spread with the specific question in mind.

Just a few thoughts

EDIT: hopes and fears if it's like in tarot, but it looks like this spread is hopes/desires.

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posted November 06, 2014 11:37 AM            

And no, no real clarification needed on that thread. It is pretty clear to me.

I am the mountain they have to deal with, or not really me, but his reaction to me, resulting in her feeling insecure and probably also jealous (one of the core meaning of the bear, beside a female protection figure and relating to power, or overbearing behaviour- the bear is on very shaky ground here, as it is put together of her depression - coffin- and his sneaking around - snake- ).

Qualities is not inherently positive, but just means how they act towards each other.

Fox in its basic meaning means "something is wrong", also some sneaking around. Trickery, dishonesty, int his case emotional dishonesty.

posted November 06, 2014 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
.so you think the pregnancy was an accident?

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Maybe.
But an accident for both people involved?

I will do a reading for you and cusp if I have more time and concentration.

I`ve been quite upset, and due to my own fault, as I had not been doing my job as properly as I should have.

And suddenly my daily draw makes sense. lol Why do the bad ones always happen, and the good ones don`t?

My job was actually an extra-job, having to do with some theatre things, mainly establishing some kind of contact or projects or whatever (the job description was more than shady and foggy).
Anyway I didn`t do that, because so many other more pressing matters arose, and today that theatre-thing resurfaced.
Of course it did!
It`s more than just an extra-job for school, it is my damned karmic job (not sure what exactly, but it has something to do with theatre) and I was pretty much trying to sneak around it and avoid it.

BTW the daily draw was

Fox - Scythe - lily

So all those attempts to avoid doing my job int his regard, all that sneaking around - for a good reason, being overworked and all, but still I KNOW the real reason, unfortunately I can`t trick myself that well anymore. lol- anyway all that sneaking around (Fox) resulting in a cutting away (scythe) of harmony (lily).

Well, looking at it differently, an elder friendly man (Lily - in this instance the co-headmaster. Sure it had to be the second boss remembering that one, right?) decisive action (Scythe) influencing my work-ethics or lack of momentarily (Fox).

Well, my bosses generally like me, so I think if I get my things together now, this will just have been the little reminder (or kick in the butt) I sometimes need to get going. lol
In fact I am not the only one responsible for that field in school, with the hazy jobdescription, as noone really knows what was expected. lol, but you know me, I am easily and quickly (scythe) manipulated (fox) in feeling guilty or responsible (maybe lily?)

posted November 06, 2014 03:31 PM            

I did that, too, intuitively.

BTW Leeloo,

you said to read the thoughts and hopes together; while they influence each other, I do not think they are equal though.

Thoughts about a relationship can be very different from what we hope it would turn into.

posted November 06, 2014 03:44 PM            

I did one of HER and Cusp

her perspective

Thoughts: ANCHOR
Hope/Fear: SNAKE
Feelings: PATHS
display of: SUN

= FOX

She thinks that their relationship is a steadfast, committed, lasting one.
Nevertheless she fears treachery and threats, possibly in the form of another woman, a rival, or in the form of sexual seduction.
That migth be the reason for her feeling quite divided and torn, like she is facing a choice.
Nevertheless she displays confidence and selfassuredness, appearing to feel very secure and sure of the relationship.

Nevertheless her sum is Fox, there is something sneaky and underhanded going on, at least on a subconscious level.

His perspective

thoughts: BEAR
desire: FISH
Feelings: MICE
displays: TREE

Sum: FOX

His thoughts about the relationship are probably those that it is a strong one, founded on protective power. I wouldn`t interprete the Bear as jealousy here, as there are no real sexual or romantic cards on his side of the equation (I would have expected the snake, heart, ring, Moon, whip, lily etc. for this).
However, the bear can also sometimes mean possessiveness and an overbearing attitude. Maybe despite the strength he seems to perceive, it feels too much or too heavy at times (actually I think "heavy" is a good keyword for the Bear. lol)

His hopes are characterized by the Fish, either he is appreciating some sort of financial security coming with this relationship (it would make sense in the combination of Bear and Fish, too), or he hopes for a certain depth.

he also displays a stable, reliable character (the tree), maybe a bit boring.

However, at the same time he feels that something is missing and gnawing away at him (the Mice always symbolize a loss).

Interesting both Sum of cards result in FOX, so it seems both people sense that something isn`t quite right in the relationship.

The overall sum, and possible outcome is SCYTHE.
In the worst case (for them) this simply means a break up, and it would be a sudden one, that onne really sees coming (not like the coffin dyying a slow torturous death).
or it means that something has to be cut away from the relationship so it can survive. But as it it is now, it seems to be not on the flourishing side, especially if you consider the feeling-position.

posted November 06, 2014 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Maybe.
But an accident for both people involved?

I will do a reading for you and cusp if I have more time and concentration.

I`ve been quite upset, and due to my own fault, as I had not been doing my job as properly as I should have.

And suddenly my daily draw makes sense. lol Why do the bad ones always happen, and the good ones don`t?

My job was actually an extra-job, having to do with some theatre things, mainly establishing some kind of contact or projects or whatever (the job description was more than shady and foggy).
Anyway I didn`t do that, because so many other more pressing matters arose, and today that theatre-thing resurfaced.
Of course it did!
It`s more than just an extra-job for school, it is my damned karmic job (not sure what exactly, but it has something to do with theatre) and I was pretty much trying to sneak around it and avoid it.

BTW the daily draw was

Fox - Scythe - lily

So all those attempts to avoid doing my job int his regard, all that sneaking around - for a good reason, being overworked and all, but still I KNOW the real reason, unfortunately I can`t trick myself that well anymore. lol- anyway all that sneaking around (Fox) resulting in a cutting away (scythe) of harmony (lily).

Well, looking at it differently, an elder friendly man (Lily - in this instance the co-headmaster. Sure it had to be the second boss remembering that one, right?) decisive action (Scythe) influencing my work-ethics or lack of momentarily (Fox).

Oh geeze just saw this. So sorry about the theatre stuff..well take your time. No rush if you have too many things going on right now. Keep your head up.

Well, my bosses generally like me, so I think if I get my things together now, this will just have been the little reminder (or kick in the butt) I sometimes need to get going. lol
In fact I am not the only one responsible for that field in school, with the hazy jobdescription, as noone really knows what was expected. lol, but you know me, I am easily and quickly (scythe) manipulated (fox) in feeling guilty or responsible (maybe lily?)

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posted November 06, 2014 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
DM,

I did that, too, intuitively.

BTW Leeloo,

you said to read the thoughts and hopes together; while they influence each other, I do not think they are equal though.

Thoughts about a relationship can be very different from what we hope it would turn into.

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Yes, I agree, but in this spread I saw thoughts/plans and hopes/desires, so there's a connection between desires and plans, they both show the current intentions.

But I think this spread is actually a classical tarot nspiration, resembling the Celtic Cross layout, so DM is right: you probably should consider thoughts (as what is on someone's mind at that moment) and hopes/fears.

posted November 06, 2014 04:08 PM            

It does fit my fateline, too, I think.

BTW I don´t think it is really a tragedy, and I am mostly annoyed with myself and my inertia. Well not inertia, but I should have made room and time for this as well. somehow. Especialyl since it actually is very close to my heart.

Anyway the first three cards of my GT, possibly speak of this as well, butz in a more pleasant way