posted December 08, 2014 03:52 PM            

Yes: sun, key, clover, stars, heart, ring, moon, Lily
No: coffin, mice, scythe, cross, mountain

posted December 08, 2014 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by St@r2013:
I probably wouldn't put the moon as positive... for me it's like the clouds card, talks about emotions and usually emotional turmoil... on its own especially I don't see it too positive.

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posted December 08, 2014 04:20 PM            

My personal list for Yes/No Leno questions is:

YES
Rider
Clover
Bouquet
Stars
Stork
Dog
Garden
Heart
Ring
Lily
Sun
Key
Anchor

NO
Snake
Coffin
Scythe
Whip
Fox
Mountain
Mice
Cross

The rest are neutral and I think require and extra card for the answer. If the second card pulled is also neutral, I guess it's not a good time to ask the question lol.

posted December 09, 2014 02:08 PM            

Positive:
Clover*, bouquet, stars*, heart, Sun, Moon, Key, Fish

positive-neutral:
rider, ship, house, child, dog, storks, lilies, anchor

neutral:
bear, tower, garden, roads, ring, letter

neutral-negative
tree, snake, birds, book

negative
clouds, coffin, scythe, rod, fox, mountain, mice, cross

He states clover and stars become negative with the clouds (I don´t agree with this though, clover and stars are among the most positive cards. Period.)

As for the others, I agree with th epositive column and the negative one; about the others there would be room for debate for me. lol

I do see the lilies as pretty positive though, and the fox as less negative than him I suppose.

posted December 09, 2014 02:51 PM            

Personally, I wouldn't include intermediary positives/negatives for Yes/No question, it confuses the answer lol.

I wonder about Fish though...it does show success, it's basically a success card, still it has "fishy" connotations as well.

I agree that in a love spread, if you ask a Yes/No question for love, Tower should mean No. It's interesting, because in a professional spread, it definitely means Yes.

posted December 10, 2014 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Andy Boroveshenra lists these:

Positive:
Clover*, bouquet, stars*, heart, Sun, Moon, Key, Fish

positive-neutral:
rider, ship, house, child, dog, storks, lilies, anchor

neutral:
bear, tower, garden, roads, ring, letter

neutral-negative
tree, snake, birds, book

negative
clouds, coffin, scythe, rod, fox, mountain, mice, cross

He states clover and stars become negative with the clouds (I don´t agree with this though, clover and stars are among the most positive cards. Period.)

As for the others, I agree with th epositive column and the negative one; about the others there would be room for debate for me. lol

I do see the lilies as pretty positive though, and the fox as less negative than him I suppose.

In love readings the tower seems to be very negative as well, especially following a love card (if it is before it, it seems to be more neutral, but ending the sentence it seems to point towards separation and isolation and just saying `No` ).

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posted December 10, 2014 09:21 AM            

EDIT:
Of course there will be different opinions on that.

Actually I think coffin has to do with transformations, but with the ending part of transformation. Making for tabula rasa. Rien n`a va plus. or however it is written.

It is THE "No"-card. (of the things preceding it- cards coming up to the right might be reborn from the ashes)

posted December 10, 2014 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It might be though depending on the reader. When I read, the coffin might come up as this absolute No-card. Maybe if Dani reads, it will be more tilted towards transformation as this is how she reads it and energizes that card.

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When you think about it you are both saying the same thing.
The end of the old( left side ) and transforming into the new ( right side). So it is an ending but it is also transforming in the way of bringing in the new. It will depend on cards surrounding as to the answer.

EDIT

The other day I did a reading for Dani's friend

Stork - dog - ring

I had to pulled extra and coffin was the middle card but anchor was the end card.

The new relationship was a good one that would eventually lead from dating to marriage. So the coffin was saying it would transform this partnership into something more marriage given the ring and anchor.

posted December 10, 2014 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by vesta:
When you think about it you are both saying the same thing.
The end of the old( left side ) and transforming into the new ( right side).

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No that is not what I meant.

The card on the left side is ending. Full stop. It is not being modified, transforming into something else. It ends.

This ending usually is necessary for the right card to take place, however it is not a gradual transition from one state in another.

posted December 10, 2014 02:23 PM            

I asked twice if the guy will accept my invitation, both spreads had a Coffin and he didn't accept.....

In my recent spread the fox represented my cat, which I thought was really interesting... So fox doesn't have to be negative.

posted December 10, 2014 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
What does he say about the Whip Ceri? I'm kind of surprised he put Ring in neutral as I see it as positive.

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Whip/ Rod is negative. (which I personally do not think, at least there is a difference between Whip and coffin or mice for example.)

Ring is neutral because it just sais you commit, to what we do not know and if it is a good idea we don`t know either. Could be just going in circles.

posted December 10, 2014 03:14 PM            

Card Association: Nine of Diamonds A simple coffin is usually pictured on this card. Sometimes it is wooden, other times it is ornate; some cards have a drape on it, and some don’t. The Coffin is a symbol of endings and death. The somber picture on this card announces danger or big hurdles to conquer. The Coffin often brings endings; look at the card before it to see the subject of what is ending. Endings are painful, but always after them are the blossoms of new beginnings. The Coffin card can sometimes bring an ending to painful situations. The Coffin warns of a grave sickness or a major financial loss. It is also the sign of depression and discouragement. Especially if it was with other negative cards, the pain and burden will be on the heavy side. The Coffin card paints a scenario that will cause worry, as it foretells the ruin of everything we work hard for, be it our relationship, our work, our professional environment, or our health.

It is the card of painful change and transformation. The Coffin can sometimes mean the death of old beliefs and the emergence of new ones— a mental transformation.

The Coffin indicates a time to dust off and start again, a time of purification and new beginnings, a time to let go of the past and have hope while looking ahead. It is important to maintain a positive attitude with hope on the horizon during this time to better overcome the adversities. Sometimes I get the Coffin for a simple “stay in bed” day. The Coffin can sometimes represent death, especially if the Ship card is next to it or when it is surrounded with negative cards such as the Scythe. On a positive note, the Coffin card can show up as an ending to unfortunate circumstances.

posted December 10, 2014 04:09 PM            

Out of the book by Andy Boroveshengra:

"The coffin is about endings, not transformations. Don`t confuse the two. Whatever falls immediately before the coffin is set to end and often the card that follows it is somewhat diminished."

from the complete Lenormand Oracle handbook by Caitlin Matthews:

"Coffin means endings, things gone past their selldate. Coffin calls a halt and can you bring up short by its finality. When it comes up in a reading a sense of deadness or numbness comes with it. There is no dynamism, just a muffled echo of nothing there."

However, I do think we can compare a lot of books by different authors and will find several different interpretations of this card.

For me however one of the strength of Lenormand is the clear YEs and No it sometimes depicts. And Coffin is certainly one of the clear cards in there.
For me it has always come up in those ways I quoted.
But as I said above, it might be that for other readers it will have a different colour, a modified meaning, depending on how the reader reads the cards in general.

posted December 12, 2014 02:29 PM            

The question was : What does he have in his heart for her, does he love her?

Info: they broke up because he lied to her.

Cutting cards:

Bear + Bouquet

Sig: Heart

Whip Fox Roads Heart Stars Lily Coffin

Clarification on Heart: Bear

How do you interpret this?

Thanks!

EDIT: I understand one of the possible interpretations of Lily Coffin is deep deep depression, or good times ending. Still, I am puzzled here.