posted December 23, 2014 07:21 AM            

Death - High Priestess - Ace of Wands

I can make sense of the High Priestess and Ace of Wands, however Death always intrigues me in questions of attraction. As I can actually see it indicative of two very different scenarios.

1. no, not at all, you`re pretty much dead to me, don`t ask again.

But then on the other hand I had it come up in my own readings when the attraction was so strong it actually led to kathartic moments and transformation of my whole life.

posted December 23, 2014 07:38 AM            

Funeral (Death High P.) and rebirth (Ace of Wands), but since the Ace of Wands is of the realm of ideas, the whole thing looks like a mental process.

EDIT: this "funeral" can also be "things buried (Death) in your subconscious (HP)" lead to the Ace of Wands.
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posted December 23, 2014 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
I think that the connection is like Hades/Persefone one...

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posted December 23, 2014 08:08 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
These three cards point to a revelation to me, but I don't know in which sense. I think the querent becomes aware, unequivocally, of the answer to this question in a sudden unexpected way, through an event or a revelation.

Funeral (Death High P.) and rebirth (Ace of Wands), but since the Ace of Wands is of the realm of ideas, the whole thing looks like a mental process.

EDIT: this "funeral" can also be "things buried (Death) in your subconscious (HP)" lead to the Ace of Wands.

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I find that very interesting. Intriguing, and makes sense in terms of a story-line.

posted December 23, 2014 08:31 AM            

Interesting you get all the times High Priestess.... I usually go for Queen of Wands. And father usually goes for King of Pentacles... I love to correlate cards with people!!

posted December 23, 2014 08:49 AM            

"Interesting you get all the times High Priestess.... "
Mostly in terms of him. Actually I either come up as High Priestess or Queen of Wands (and occasionally Empress?) lol
The Queen of Wands usually comes up when I am feeling REALLY confident, and mostly that happens on summer open air concerts for some weird reason. lol

High Priestess makes sense though, as I probably come across as quite withdrawn, reflective usually, and also, well this will sound arrogant, and I don`t mean it this way, but I canīt quite deny that I am pretty educated.
I suppose this shows, too. This sort of more abstract intellectual education, it just shines through my being, I can`t help it.
I am more of a thinker than a doer, I suppose, and that shows, too. So yeah, I guess it makes sense.

In Lenormand I seem to mostly come up as Snake, and it even fits, I am having darkblondish/ brownish hair, and maybe more importantly I am wearing spectacles, so that fits the Snake there as well, and I am pretty smart, which unfortunately does not transfer to social skills I fear. Well general social skills yes, of course.
But not really in personal interrelational ones I fear. Or it is just that we meet in these awkward in-between-situations. lol

My Venus in Capricorn yearns for a definite social frame, so I know how it is expected of me to react appropriately, which is my role/ function. I can fill out pretty much any role, I jsut have to KNOW what my role is, you know?
and I don`t have that luxury when it comes to him. THIS thing is just defying categories and I have no clue how to react in a way that is appropriate, right or expected.

On the other hand it just dawned on me that htis also gives me a sort of freedom to act just how I am and how I feel. lol

posted December 23, 2014 10:01 AM            

sorry to hear you are not feeling well. I hate that feeling, had it for some days, a sort of numbness, fogginess, right?

Anyway, yes it makes sense, DEath as modifying card being a "death-sentence" in terms of the question.

That is why I was inclined (and hoping of course lol) to think that in this instance it might be tilted to the positive interpretation, especially with the Ace of Wands following (the HP could be so-so as well).

EDIT:
LOL

I was also asking how he is going to react to me, seeing me next week (well I am going to be watching the matinee as well as the evening performance, so I suppose this was not the smartest move on my part to hide. Especially it might be difficult to hide from 3rd and 4th row. lol)

I pulled

Devil - lovers - emperor

3 majors? okay, devil and emperor both seem a tiny little bit controlling, donīt they?

posted December 26, 2014 04:19 AM            

Yes, I was tired and bogged down. So unusual, I am never like that. Thank you for your interest.

I've been reading up on The Lovers... It's not as wanton as it's generally described. There's that aspect of a dutiful relating and choosing the right (proper) path. I'd be inclined to connect this card to his current attachment and the situation with you to The Devil. (It's the context really, all 3 Majors.)

- So, it's all about toning down the blood rush/craving (The Devil). The Emperor is someone you can rely upon to do what needs to be done, swiftly and efficiently.

posted December 26, 2014 07:02 AM            

"There's that aspect of a dutiful relating and choosing the right (proper) path."
While I connect to the choice-character, I don`t vibe with the dutiful part.

I actually see it how I read it here:

"Love IS choices. Even "LOVE" with hearts, flowers and wedding bells. You have to make choices to find love, get love, have it and keep it. Or you do really imagine that the "positive" version of the Lovers card means that you don't have to make a single choice? Not even choose to say "yes" when he asks if you want to marry him?

History of the Card: originally it was called "The amorous one." Meaning, singular, "The Lover." A person who falls in love. And the picture was a guy with cupid and a woman. I.E. cupid deciding (choosing) who should love whom. Later on it was called "Love." Just that. Love. And it often pictured a man with two women--one woman the matchmaker (cupid again, only an Earthly version--choosing who should be with whom). Some of the images suggested a man picking between two women (making a choice). One pretty, one not, and the idea that "Love," true love, is not tricked by what is on the surface. It makes the right choice. And finally you get Waite with his weird Garden of Eden image and the angel. The idea being that Eve came from Adam, and the Angel represents that Gemini "twin-ship." Which is that the "soul" chooses that which it recognizes as belonging to it. It's missing part, it's other half. Hence, the "Love" card becomes the "Lovers" because the two must be together in order to complete each other.

Thus the card is the *soul's* choice. What choice does your SOUL make. You see that puppy in the window and why must you have THAT puppy? There's a whole litter there, but only one puppy is YOURS. Why did you decide that? How did you make that choice? Your SOUL made that choice.

And that is "love." The Soul's Choice. The card has always meant: knowing what is the "right" choice to make you feel whole, complete, fulfilled. But that doesn't mean it's going to be an easy choice. You ask, "Can't it be positive?" and Wind says, "Can't there be a card about Love?" that's positive? And I say, there is. The Lovers is it. It is about Love. And it can be very positive, as when you find that perfect puppy who will be your best friend forever. But positive DOES NOT MEAN SIMPLE. Which was Grizabella's astute observation. It doesn't mean you get to live happily ever after, the end, no problems, no issues, no complications. Your puppy will chew up your favorite shoes, will get sick and cause you grief, will need training, may growl at every man you bring home, and is going to be an issue when it comes to that new husband who will need to learn to get along with the dog as the dog needs to get along with him. And kids if you have them. Life isn't always negative. But it is complicated. Always. And LOVE--that choice which has you jumping into the deep end, maybe giving up all else and wading blind into an unexpected future, is the most complicated of all.

It may be the most wonderful, most positive thing that ever happened, complete with hearts, roses and wedding bells. But that doesn't mean it's going to be easy. Choices like this never are, and they wouldn't have any real meaning to them if they were. Yes? THAT is why the Lover's card is a card about choices. Not whether to wear boots or tennis shoes, but the hardest choices you make in life. The ones where your soul knows what it wants, but it's going to change everything if you go along with it. That's Love."

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=178403&page=2

That would be the lovers in general, individually for me, as single card.
However I completely can see your intepretation. And to me it would have read as that attraction that is apparently there (in the Devil, as well as in the Ace of Wands in the spread before), but he is professional enough to choose to keep it under control (lovers and emperor).

Another possibility would be to have to choose (lovers) between the temptation (Devil) and the proper course of action (Emperor).

A third variation I could see in playing a bit the prankster (DEvil as well), and being quite effective in doing so.
(I don`t think that is likely though, hopefully not. lol)

posted December 26, 2014 07:22 AM            

The Lovers card really has a long, winding history. The cupid was replaced by the angel (similar to the one in XIV) and some like to see it as a choice between 2 women/parties. All in all, they tend to agree on one part which is that the heart is fundamental when it comes to decision making.

In single card spreads, a very positive card.

posted December 26, 2014 08:22 AM            

If it had been Emperor Lovers Devil, it probably would have been different, read differently

It could also mean he would be on the stage playing his role, if the role (Emperor) is Casanova (Devil Lovers Emperor). Devil alone suggests playing a role, playing the Devil, you know, a devilish Lover. lol

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posted December 26, 2014 10:30 AM            

And yes it is his role, Casanova that is. lol

In fact the spread describes the end of the story:

how at the end of his life Casanova (who in this play is portrayed as lover in the sense that the one woman he really loved, abandoned him, because she was already married and did not want to get tied to him, but loved him for the freedom he seemed to represent) is being pulled to hell by the devil in the person of the ghost of the father of one of the ladies he seduced and whom he killed in a duel before (like in Don Giovanni).

posted December 26, 2014 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL Leeloo, yes you nailed it I think.

And yes it is his role, Casanova that is. lol

In fact the spread describes the end of the story:

how at the end of his life Casanova (who in this play is portrayed as lover in the sense that the one woman he really loved, abandoned him, because she was already married and did not want to get tied to him, but loved him for the freedom he seemed to represent) is being pulled to hell by the devil in the person of the ghost of the father of one of the ladies he seduced and whom he killed in a duel before (like in Don Giovanni).

somehow the spread seems to literally spell this out. lol

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that's really awesome, Ceri
Man, I didn't know the play was so...Faustian hahahahaha

posted December 28, 2014 05:59 AM            

how would you interprete the combo (in terms of how someone feels about someone else) of

Sun - Death - Hermit?

This throws me as the Sun is so positive indicating really good feelings, but Death and hermit as a combination speak to me as withdrawel inside? Like the feelings have undergone a transformation and there is a time of reflection needed to reevaluate what they really are?

Or how would you see this?

EDIT
I pulled a clarification spread (to see into what his feelings transformed) and got

posted December 28, 2014 07:42 AM            

The Sun + Death + The Hermit

- They've gone cold. Death on The Sun, no joy no warmth, and The Hermit has snowy mountains in the background (original RWS). I'd like to add that The Hermit is a big thinker, so I imagine that something happened that made them re-thinking and perhaps unsure. Stone cold reasoning.