posted May 05, 2015 05:00 AM            

So to delete illusions, what are the major cards for "honey, no, he is not into you or no he does not love you any longer"?

For my part I see

- 6 of swords & 8 of cups for the top indicators not to embarrass yourself any longer

posted May 05, 2015 07:17 AM            

I think neither of these cards can appear at the beginning of a relationship, for they both involve strong feelings/ a past together.
If they do appear, they most likely reflect something about the querent's state of mind in relationships in general, or perhaps the quesited as well, or something related to another relationship, but the relationship between them, if it's new...unlikely.

You picked two cards with radical opposite meanings

8 of cups:
1. moving on
but also
2. finding the one (choosing after the 7 of cups, perhaps experiencing love for the first time in a frightening manner, leaving your past behind to commit)

and 6 of swords, perhaps the only swords card with a strong positive potential as alternative. Generally a "yes" card, 6 of swords is one of the "reconciliation" cards in relationships.
It can also mean moving away from an abusive/painful relationship, but its most used meaning, to my knowledge, is the positive one. I think the most important thing to see in this card is the couple mowing away together with something new in the boat (the child), a new stage of their relationship, towards a new shore. That's why it's a couple card, and not a separation card; it's one of the few cards depicting a couple and their child ( the relationship) together.
Some quotes over the net about the reconciliation meaning for this card (especially for an already established couple experiencing problems or a breakup):

"The Six of Swords is symbolic of a journey or escape into mental clarity. It suggests a better, positive future or possibly a period of calm straight ahead of you. Moving forward could require you to use your logic or natural intellect, but the end result is of a positive nature. The answer is yes.

Six of Swords in Love and Relationships
Description: You are heading for a new environment.

Interpretations
Six of Swords upright talks of new, but slow development. Now in a relationship situation, if the two lovers are seeing too much predictability between each other then the appearance of Six of Swords in their reading implies that they are going to come together to try something new to make things interesting for themselves. However, here only the plans are put into action. The real outcome might be known only if the lovers reach the port as pointed out in the tarot card.

Additionally, in a reading done after a breakup, the arrival of Six of Swords can be seen as a good sign, for it now portrays the healing process. In the same way, for readings related to what is next after an argument, Six of Swords can come off as a sigh of relief. The two lovers have had enough of the arguments. So they are now ready to create peace in their relationship by moving towards a happy ground together.

In a Relationship Reading, this six would hopefully suggest that you are leaving behind a turbulent time in your relationship as communication opens the door to repair and progress. This is not going to happen overnight though. Progress will be slow but steady. Much work will have to be done to repair any damage sustained, but for the moment the heightened state of stress and conflict is behind you. Because of the negative stress and conflict surrounding most Sword Cards, this Six may indicate the moving away from an abusive relationship to heal. Sometimes, we have to reach an all time low before we will take the required action and it is often when we are at our weakest that we find it in ourselves to do what has to be done. The last straw will eventually break the camel’s back and no more can be endured. This can highlight the beaten and broken person who runs with children and little possessions in search of safety and sanctuary. Distance needs to be put between you and whoever it is that is causing you such harm and distress. This Card reminds you that there is someone willing to help so do not try to do this all on your own."

and an interesting description here:
http://aliendjinnromances.blogspot.ro/2007/09/six-of-swords-love-conquers-all-as.html

of course, it can also mean moving on, in the proper context.
At least this is how I use them.

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posted May 05, 2015 07:24 AM            

but I was talking about love interests, crushes and exs, not about real relationships.

posted May 05, 2015 07:35 AM            

potential indifference + rejection cards:

the presence of another person number one clue!

ok, so they are:

3 of wands (but it can also mean deep longing, if another card supports it)

7 of wands 9 of wands - can sometimes mean a defensive attitude

10 of wands: sometimes being busy elsewhere, but also considering the relationship very worthwhile, being ready to do anything for it

8 of wands: sometimes fleeting interest, a fling, but also butterflies and passion

2 of pentacles: juggling two alternatives, partners, fleeting, casual interest; but also being bipolar, swinging from one extreme to the other (sign of great interest) in combination with a strong love card

5 of pentacles: sometimes showing a practical decision, an act to move on, but also a couple card

4 of cups: two extremes here, not interested because interested in something else, or interested ONLY in the person, nothing else does it for him

5 of cups: at a beginning of a relationship, for someone new, would show lack of interest, the guy is into grieving about something else

7 of cups: many interests, just an illusion; but also obsessed, very involved, fantasizing about the person

8 of cups of course, as moving on, strong feelings though, so it must have been something before this; but as I said before, also making a choice to commit to something/the person

ace of swords: just proving oneself; but also wanting to fight for the person

2 of swords: undecided, being inside with something, but also seeking balance and victory, a solution with the person.

4 of swords: dreaming of something, but also hiding dreaming about the person; passive attitude though

5 of swords: that's a bit of a straightforward rejection card; it can have other meanings though, in the proper context

7 of swords: possible deception

8 of swords: possible indifference meaning: I don't see the person, I'm into something else

them all the court sword cards from the Page to the King can show, in the proper context, a critical, estimative or even rejection attitude; but only as a potential meaning, of course.

It's a very artificial list, the context changes everything, but it was nice thinking about this little summary I love your questions, as usually

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posted May 05, 2015 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
I once pulled 4,5 and 8 of cups for a girl whose love interest did not recicoprate her feelings (and she found out that he had a girlfriend)

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Yeah, but that's one of the problems with this kind of readings: is it proper/realistic to ask about the feelings of someone you just met? I think this can give a lot of false results.

OK, you are right, you weren't actually talking about feelings, but more of an initial interest.

I was just trying to say 6 of swords and 8 of cups are deep cards.

You know, I can now go to the drugstore and see a guy and have a strong feeling about him and notice he gives me an intense look. And then come home and ask what he felt for me/ about me and get Lovers Judgment or Lovers World what should I presume? perhaps the idea is not asking these questions too soon or about someone whose behavior is clearly detached.

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posted May 05, 2015 07:44 AM            

Yes, basically you would need to involve the surrounding cards as well but sorry, if i pull cards like 8 of cups, 7 of swords, 5 of cups and 4 of wands only, i wouldn't believe in any happy ending- at least not yet.

I mean, i think it is also important to face the reality without being negative.

I mean we guys are big into "yeah, he thinks you are attractive" and "yeah, he is also interested in you" but often nothing would happen.

I am of the opinion that doing spreads means being responsible not to leave the one who asks devastated and to provide hope but involving yourself in illusions and putting your head in the air all the time does not help either

posted May 05, 2015 07:49 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yeah, but that's one of the problems with this kind of readings: is it proper/realistic to ask about the feelings of someone you just met? I think this can give a lot of false results.

OK, you are right, you weren't actually talking about feelings, but more of an initial interest.

I was just trying to say 6 of swords and 8 of cups are deep cards.

You know, I can now go to the drugstore and see a guy and have a strong feeling about him and notice he gives me an intense look. And then come home and ask what he felt for me/ about me and get Lovers Judgment or Lovers World what should I presume? perhaps the idea is not asking these questions too soon or about someone whose behavior is clearly detached.

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but you know some women tend to ask about feelings of a guy they met but never talked to

Okay, but re. the guy in the drugstore: if so, we could ask how he found you and/or if he finds you hot as well

sure, the q about feelings pops up pretty quickly but we may ask if our love interest is interested as well. come on, it would be boring if not

posted May 05, 2015 07:51 AM            

I did readings and even full synastry profiles (until learning this lesson) for someone telling me afterwards: it's just a guy who's looking at me differently or someone I met yesterday or Tom Jones

posted May 05, 2015 07:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
but you know some women tend to ask about feelings of a guy they met but never talked to

Okay, but re. the guy in the drugstore: if so, we could ask how he found you and/or if he finds you hot as well

sure, the q about feelings pops up pretty quickly but we may ask if our love interest is interested as well. come on, it would be boring if not

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so it's just for passing time then OK, I can see that lol

posted May 05, 2015 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:

I mean, i think it is also important to face the reality without being negative.

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It has to be a reality first.

posted May 05, 2015 08:00 AM            

i do believe that Tarot can be used for any situation but seriously for feelings I would wait for the guy to approach for love interests or guys i just met i would ask for feelings not re. love but for feelings if he's interested as well

and i would always ask about the future

posted May 05, 2015 08:03 AM            

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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
Well, I always got Moon + 7 of Cups for the last boyfriend i had... The cards tols me I was being fooled... and I didn't get it...

Leeloo's list is very interesting...

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posted May 05, 2015 08:06 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It has to be a reality first.

What happens if you meet a guy, you like him, you think he likes you, and after the first meeting, I pull these cards for you, for your future. Wouldn't this create fear in you, and influence your behavior with him, perhaps even make you step back?

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yes, it would create fear but if i am be the one who does the spread i would pull more cards for the long-term outcome resp if she meets another one that is what I meant: no giving false hope but being realistic

and often I would realize that that guy is just a matter of obession or the girl who asks would later admit that she is not into him either or something like that

I recently had a similar case: i saw that a guy would not call too early leaving the girl devastasted. I thought it would be nasty to leave her like that and so i pulled more cards and so i was able to tell her that he would come back after a couple of weeks and it did happen

posted May 05, 2015 08:12 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
so it's just for passing time then OK, I can see that lol

Actually, I think this is very dangerous: it can completely turn into self-fulfilling profecies where there's no need for that. It gives you a very strong initial preconceived idea about something. It's the same with astrology, it's a very dangerous path and it quickly turns into a habit.

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that's why I believe in free will and time lines.

I often would clear spreads indicating clear stuff but then i would think "no, this is not going to happen" or "the other way around" and it happened as I thought

posted May 05, 2015 08:20 AM            

I remember to pull these combo more than twice while I was with him... and when I pulled just one card, sometimes 7 of Cups... sometimes Moon... I really got angry at the tarot that time... lol

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
what was the question when you got this?

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posted May 05, 2015 08:53 AM            

So that's my combo that "he's not into you", because he wants to fool you!!

posted May 05, 2015 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by DaniPepper87:
Yes, he made me to have illusions.... I discovered, months after, that he was with at least more 2 girls... fooling all of them!

So that's my combo that "he's not into you", because he wants to fool you!!

In your list, LeeLoo, I'd put 3 of Swords... This can indicate someone who loves to make pain in your heart... I think I pulled this one once for the same person... And I know today that he loves to make this to all the girls that cross his life... A devil in the world!

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posted May 05, 2015 09:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have to disagree on the 3 of swords, it mostly comes up for me as: "He`s very much in pain BECAUSE he is into you, and there is most likely someone else in the play as well"

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posted May 05, 2015 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I am sorry how old was he when this happened? is he the same now?

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