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astrid_06
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posted August 30, 2015 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrid_06     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did a reading for myself about two weeks ago, been studying the cards I pulled since....to see if anything new pops out. Background I met a guy about 2 months ago June 27. I answered a gig ad from CL. He is the owner of the company, it is so interesting because I was not looking to meet him or anyone. It wasn't as if I was wowed by his looks (he is actually very good looking) it was when we talked it was very easy, like we had done it before with each other.

After sharing our life stories with one another, second day of work mentions having a girlfriend. I don't for sure know what's going on between them but he's shared things with me about the relationship/her. It's not totally unusual because it seems like people are always sharing with me. I feel like there's a connection between. Maybe just the way I'm perceiving it.
Anyway I got the courage to tell him ( via text, after I lost my nerve to tell him the day before in person) that I enjoy him/his energy but I understand he's involved. Said if he wants to talk about anything anytime I'll listen.

He told me he appreciated that and if anything ever changed he'd let me know.

Did a reading very shortly after everything happened.

It was a 4 card spread:
1. How he sees himself
2. How he sees me
3. His feelings for me or our relationship
4. The status of the relationship

1. 6 of Wands
2. 8 of Pentacles
3. The Tower
4. 2 of Wands

Wands are connected to fire, action. Intense energy...recognition. he's sees himself as victorious? But why?

8 of pentacles he sees me as student (he is teaching me) maybe someone hard working....but considering what I told him could it be he thinks being with me would be hard work?

Tower as his feelings, there was a realization, something changed. I surprised him. I would/could shake up his world. Seems like there could be more to the tower.

Last is 2 of wands. Wands is action. Well in the card there are two wands and he's holding one with a globe in the other. So it's a choice. Between what though?

I don't understand it being a choice between his gf and I because he and gf were already together. What about status quo?

Anyone mind giving there insight in these cards

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posted August 31, 2015 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrid_06     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know it's really long, but anyone mind giving insight please

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posted August 31, 2015 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
6 of wands I mostly see as someone arrogant or full of themselves. He could see himself as successful and confident though.

8 of Pentacles - he sees you as hardworking or someone who won't give up

The Tower - maybe he feels you could break up his relationship?

2 of wands - the relationship is still open...you're not together or he's keeping his options open?

May be off but I wanted to give it a try.

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posted September 02, 2015 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrid_06     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you ash20 for taking a look...I can see 6 of wands as arrogance as well but I tink its more confidence. I haven't got arrogance from him at all..

I agree with 8 of pents

The tower, breaking up his relationship? well my take is that if a relationship breaking up/going to break up (by an outsider) that it is meant to happen or on shaky ground to begin with. idk, i'm not actively trying to break up his relationship

totally agree with 2 of wands!

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posted September 03, 2015 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not saying you would try to break up the relationship but the tower with 2 of wands makes me feel he is thinking the grass may be greener with you. And before maybe he didn't think you liked him that way (or that he stood a chance) but after your message, that's changed everything.

The tower is hard for me in feelings position. I can't usually tell if it's going to be good or bad.

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posted September 03, 2015 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrid_06     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the tower is tricky as feelings...but it makes sense where you say "that's changed everything" because that's the tower. Imo.

I agree with your interpretation of the tower and 2ow together!

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posted September 04, 2015 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you ask before doing the what spread, if he has romantic feelings for you? I strongly recommend that, before any feelings spread. The Tower here could also mean no (no romantic feelings for you) His answers to you point to that as well, I'm afraid (just a polite answer)

1. How he sees himself - as an ambitious, successful fellow
2. How he sees me - as a work colleague
3. His feelings for me or our relationship - no feelings
4. The status of the relationship - no relationship, he is already involved ( 2 of wands)

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posted September 04, 2015 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrid_06     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi LeeLoo, so you are saying the tower means no feelings? How do you get that? How do you see the tower? I definitely see the tower as something and not nothing. Whatever that may be exactly idk.

I appreciate your explanation of the first two cards.....

Oh yeah I've also done other spreads concerning this guy and our relationship

As for 2 of wands....as the status of our relationship? No, We are not together in a "relationship" guess I'm just trying to get a little more from the cards than a yes or no.

I really like ash20 interpretation about the 2 of wands(with/concerning the tower) where she mentions grass being greener. I see lots of symbolism...(Rider Waite Deck) It is a 2 representing duality, choice, union, balance, co-operation. So I can totally see duality of choice with this card, and what action will provide the best result.
The man in the card seems to be deciding what his next move will be....and the wands have sprouting leaves pointing to possibilities....

ETA: Are you asking if I've asked him if he has romantic feelings for me? If so, no I have never asked him. what I know for sure is that he is involved. his saying he would let me know if anything changes could be interpreted as having no feelings....but that's not for sure.(Especially based off the energy that I feel when we are together, which was the reason I started pulling cards for this to begin with).


I totally understand where you mentioned the importance of asking him and knowing his feelings for sure. It just didn't happen that way is all.

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posted September 05, 2015 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Astrid, first you need to ask the cards if he has romantic feelings for you in the first place.

And only if it's a yes, you ask what kind of feelings they are.

Also, personally, I don't see why you are thrilled with the "grass is greener" idea; what about the girlfriend and her feelings? Would you like your boyfriend to do that to you? You must understand whatever he does to his girlfriend, in the event of you two being together, will do to you too. Him talking about his relationship with you was unfair towards her, not a good sign about his character, nothing to celebrate here.

Also, your spread questions were a bit weird in the first place: what status of relationship for instance? Since you two are not in a relationship, but he is in one with someone else?

Tower for feelings can mean a simple no. Tower is a basic no card.

What I see here is a man who sees you as a work colleague. 2 of Wands is a man who already has everything, and the 2s are cards for people being in a couple, in general. I think here it means what I said.

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posted September 05, 2015 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrid_06     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeeLoo

I have done other spreads concerning feelings between the guy and I. All spreads that I thought would be helpful. none of what I received from those spreads pointed to a no. I guess if they did then I probably would not have continued doing spreads about the situation. I am following my instinct and energy that I get from being around him and I continue to go with that.

Concerning "the grass is greener" comment I think you have it misunderstood. I never said that it excited me or I was happy about it. What I said was that I liked her interpretation, understood the explanation and added some of my own points.

I made to thread hoping to get some objective information about the cards.

wasn't really coming to the board to get a sermon about how to treat people, how to determine someone's character and "what if this was your boyfriend"...yada It's actually very condescending. Both of your responses actually give me the feeling and energy that you are taking it personally. To assume that you know how I treat people based on little pieces of information that I put in a post is bizarre.
I just don't think that you have enough information besides the information that I've given to make such statements. That's not fair.

I didn't personally come up with the spread myself I did find the spread and I thought that it would be useful. The status question of our relationship... no as I said before we are not in a relationship but that does not mean that we do not relate. Yes, we are not romantically committed (because he is involved ) Relationship is... the way in which two or more concepts, objects, or people are connected, or the state of being connected like having a relationship with friends, family co-workers etc. I chose to look at the status question in that way.

I have no issues looking into others ideas or opinions. The delivery here just kind of threw me, thanks though.

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posted September 05, 2015 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you
I am surprised you didn't think of the girlfriend too.
It's a misconception to come as anonymous on a forum and believe there are no ethics just because it is online and anonymous...there will be "sermons" here as well, just like in real life, putting yourself in the other's shoes is important to some people. I am one of them.

Anyway, despite this observation, I tried to look at the spread objectively and wondered if it really shows feelings from his side too, considering the cards, and thought there's a chance he may not be romantically involved.

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