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LeeLoo2014
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posted December 08, 2015 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exchanges (for the purpose of learning only, if anyone doubts )

If anyone is in the mood...

The question for me now: how does our relationship evolve from now on? (me and R)

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

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GeminiKarat
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posted December 08, 2015 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a beginner. Please read it with a pinch of salt.

Relationship L and R:
Mirror spread
Card 1—The Querent.
Queen of wands
You are an attractive and energetic woman.

Card 2—The way you see R in the relationship.
Justice
Can it be that you see R as a good judge?

Card 3—The way R sees himself.
Page of swords
Interesting. Both cards seem to have a sword in common. Maybe he sees himself a little bit more child hearted.

Card 4—What the person represents to you.
The Chariot
Mmm? I do not know. Does R represent your soulmate?

Card 5—What you represent to R.
The World
He may feel complete with you.

Card 6—Obstacles within the relationship.
6 of swords
The words I found are:
feeling the blues
experiencing a low-level sadness
just keeping your head above water
working to get through the day
feeling somewhat depressed
avoiding the lows, but also the highs
feeling listless
functioning, but not much more

recovering
dealing with the effects of trauma
getting over a tough time
picking up the pieces
starting to cope
beginning to get your health back
heading toward a more positive place
feeling hope again

traveling
changing location
moving from one place to another
taking a trip
experiencing a change of scene
being uprooted
going on a journey
entering into a new frame of mind


Card 7—Strengths within the relationship.
10 of wands
The words I found are:
overextending
trying to do too much
refusing to say "no"
taking all the blame
assuming another's debt
doing the lion's share
having to work overtime
shouldering all the work
being saddled with an extra load

feeling burdened
never having time to relax
feeling tied to a treadmill
being taxed to the limit
assuming responsibility
being held accountable
carrying out an unpleasant duty
cleaning up a messy situation
being left holding the bag

struggling
fighting uphill
doing everything the hard way
experiencing resistance
pushing against the current
having to work for every gain
finding that nothing comes easily
laboring


Card 8—Probable result.
10 of pentacles
It can be a positive one.

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posted December 08, 2015 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5 line spread
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Rider - Moon - Stars - Lily - Bear


in the recent past or actually what your relationship now is based upon is a new development in terms of emotional and romantic connection. it might also mean that there have been a talk or message about the strong soulful connection between you.

Hence that leaves the two of you at a soulmate/ spiritual status with everything to gain and nothing to lose. (the Star in the centre).

from there on there will be the development of a strong sensual and harmonious relationship, very protective (sometimes to the point of overbearing possibly, or posessive), but all in all very positive.

Also I wouldn`t exclude the possibility of children or pregnancy in the near future because of the simultaneous appearance of Moon-Lily-Bear, which can herald pregnancy or motherly feelings.


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posted December 08, 2015 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a silly question, but who was giving me (anonymously) the chocolate Santa Claus as present?


(we do have this thing at school, where you can buy a chocolate Santa Claus and tell the pupils whom to give it to on 6th december, and either you put your name onto the card coming with it, or you give it anonymously. And I received one without a name, and have no clue, who would give me one as present? Or why? )

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GeminiKarat
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posted December 08, 2015 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HA! I saw LeeLoo2014 with a baby last year.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted December 08, 2015 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GK, thank you so much dear!!!

Last year?? Where's my baby?? I hope you mean you saw me last year for next year

What is your question for cartomancy?
I will do the same spread for you, but I need your question.

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posted December 08, 2015 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have a silly question, but who was giving me (anonymously) the chocolate Santa Claus as present?


(we do have this thing at school, where you can buy a chocolate Santa Claus and tell the pupils whom to give it to on 6th december, and either you put your name onto the card coming with it, or you give it anonymously. And I received one without a name, and have no clue, who would give me one as present? Or why? )


Wow! looks at those cards thank you Ceri!!!!
You have 6th December too? It's called Saint Nicholas for us. He is an old grumpy fellow who brings things into your boots or shoes during the night, and you find them in the morning. If you were a good girl, you get candies and presents; if not, a rod hahahaha

This looks like such a fun game...it should be a chocolate St Nicholas though?? I am confused a bit...is this supposed to be a pupil, only? or can it be an adult too? the one who gave you the secret grumpy fellow

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posted December 08, 2015 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, "der heilige Nikolaus", Saint Nikolaus, with boots and everything, here, too.

WEll could have been a pupil or a colleague.
Our boss actually donates such a chocolate Niklaus to every colleague, but well, this other one, I have no idea of whom that might have been. Not that it is THAT important. I am just being curious. lol

BTW one time when I was a teenager I actually did not get any candy, but a letter by the "Nikolaus" pointing out all the things I needed to improve (cleaning up my room, wearing the brackets for my teeth, stopping arguing with my brothers etc.) and if I showed signs of improvement I *might* get a reward the week after that (I actually did. But hey that was a shock! )

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posted December 08, 2015 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, "der heilige Nikolaus", Saint Nikolaus, with boots and everything, here, too.

WEll could have been a pupil or a colleague.
Our boss actually donates such a chocolate Niklaus to every colleague, but well, this other one, I have no idea of whom that might have been. Not that it is THAT important. I am just being curious. lol

BTW one time when I was a teenager I actually did not get any candy, but a letter by the "Nikolaus" pointing out all the things I needed to improve (cleaning up my room, wearing the brackets for my teeth, stopping arguing with my brothers etc.) and if I showed signs of improvement I *might* get a reward the week after that (I actually did. But hey that was a shock! )


omg german discipline it must have been quite a shock haha did you clean your room? thank you for this story, it is awesome!!

okey dokey
we have ourselves a jack of spades tadahh!!
clarifier 5 of spades
he doesn't look like your boss, for he is someone younger, it does stand for someone at least young at heart. This is a typical card for someone young, a pupil, and it is also a marker for education. He should be a Capricorn or an Aqua. Dark haired, sometimes lazy and/or with high aggression. He can be quiet for a long time, but then suddenly pop up with comments. May have a knack or interest for science. With the 5, it shows us he sometimes has bad temper, possibly caused by family issues. Hyperactivity could be possible. A boy in need of correction from St Nikolaus's rod lol do you recognize him? most likely bright small round vivacious eyes and a little mischievous.

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posted December 08, 2015 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
never mind ...

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posted December 08, 2015 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

The question for me now: how does our relationship evolve from now on? (me and R)


Jooooohnny!

ok, how it evolves....

Judging by the cards -
WHIP (Mice) - WOMAN - FOX ( Letter) - KEY - GARDEN ( Man)

it seems that the relationship has now entered the lets-talk-business-here-now phase.
A woman ( lady June) has taken the things into her hands and the wheels has started turning forward. I can see heated arguments, worries here and there, great sex as always, a bit of trying to push stuff under the rug by Johnny while June shoves them out, things are starting to feel more serious than ever, and the The Man finally gets out of years of isolation and into the social scene with the Lady JUne holding his hand.

The clarifier of the spread is FISH - this is Mr. Fish of course taking the central stage, as all things and changes are actually turning around him. Fish is also depth and swirl of emotions as well as financial matters. These three things are evolving the most.


same question for me, if you will...how things evolve between us

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posted December 09, 2015 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
GK, thank you so much dear!!!

Last year?? Where's my baby?? I hope you mean you saw me last year for next year

What is your question for cartomancy?
I will do the same spread for you, but I need your question.



I know that it is ridiculous. Last year I saw a girl. This year I got the name Christine. Pfff, you do not want to have my brain .

I am not in a relationship and I cut out every single men out.
men from the past: G, M, R(<--I have one too) and at the moment in my life N,J - but I would prefer to run instead of having a relationship with them .
You can choose one letter if you want to for training purpose.

What kind of links do you have for cartomancy?
Do you use the blue and/or the red deck?

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posted December 09, 2015 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
....Our boss....

I pulled the Hierophant and could not make a connection. That card only symbolizes the scholar system. Therefore I did not answer your question. Can this card stand for your boss?

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posted December 09, 2015 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, two.

Leeloo,

well there are several ones that description would fit to including one or two colleagues.

Gemini Karat,

well yes one of the chocolates was by my boss (he gives us one every year, to every colleague, so that is nothing really specific, though nice).

Hierophant might simply relate to the environment, school/ teachers? Maybe?

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posted December 10, 2015 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought the same about the Hierophant. It relates more to the school. Therefore I did not say anything, because it does not answer your question .

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LeeLoo2014
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posted December 11, 2015 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the delay, dear ladies.

GK, I was drawn to N

Mirror spread
Card 1—The Querent.

king of hearts

this looks more like the quesited. but it may show someone else is still in your heart (I know who he is, the eternal King of Cups hahahahaha the correspondence here, should I post the pic again?? lol)

Card 2—The way you see N in the relationship.

jack of hearts

inexperienced? too soft for you? nevertheless, lovable and kind. is he young and blond?

Card 3—The way N sees himself.

ace of clubs
an ace! lol he has a very positive view about himself, he may even be a little arrogant about it lol he sees himself as a star

Card 4—What the person represents to you.

6 of hearts

I have a quote here: A generous yet credulous person.


Card 5—What you represent to N

6 of spades

Hard work


Card 6—Obstacles within the relationship.

4 of diamonds

This has several meanings: financial difficulties, but also a betrayal of trust, or a secret that actually may keep you apart. Something fishy.

Card 7—Strengths within the relationship.

8 of spades

It seems there aren't at this point

Card 8—Probable result.

2 of spades

oh well, it seems I was drawn to N for nothing...this card says nothing will happen. At least we can cross him off the list.

Yes, dear GK I use the classical cartomancy deck (playing cards) I have a book in my language and also a compilation of files, as I have with many things, mostly from the net. I also check Metasymbiology for the personality descriptions, and you can find the basis meanings of cartomancy here, good link: http://www.cafeastrology.com/fortunetellingcards.html

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posted December 11, 2015 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
Jooooohnny!

ok, how it evolves....

Judging by the cards -
WHIP (Mice) - WOMAN - FOX ( Letter) - KEY - GARDEN ( Man)

it seems that the relationship has now entered the lets-talk-business-here-now phase.
A woman ( lady June) has taken the things into her hands and the wheels has started turning forward. I can see heated arguments, worries here and there, great sex as always, a bit of trying to push stuff under the rug by Johnny while June shoves them out, things are starting to feel more serious than ever, and the The Man finally gets out of years of isolation and into the social scene with the Lady JUne holding his hand.

The clarifier of the spread is FISH - this is Mr. Fish of course taking the central stage, as all things and changes are actually turning around him. Fish is also depth and swirl of emotions as well as financial matters. These three things are evolving the most.


same question for me, if you will...how things evolve between us


awww that was so very sweet there is something about your writing that keeps the reader hooked
I hope the whip mice is me working out and losing some kilos hahahahaha nah! I mean yeah! but it's also him, he always has a mouse in his milk, always seeing the dark side of things, my smoochy poochy Scorpio Moon...I'll whip off all the mice in his head!

Thank you very mucho!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now back to business here...
How things evolve between you and Mr Aries

2 of hearts 9 of diamonds 7 of hearts king of diamonds 7 of diamonds

the 2 of hearts opening the spread is a very good omen. it indicates a partnership founded on love, and it is a good card for engagement or official partnership. are you two planning some business or financial partnership too? giving the 9 of diamonds here...but this card also indicates a journey or even a change of residence BUT here comes the more complicated part. the situation remains unstable, because mr Aries keeps having a rival.
the King of Diamonds is not him, it's a more mature man, perhaps with some gray hairs, maybe lighter hair, usually well situated in life, someone upset, angry and perhaps looking for retaliation or revenge, jealousy, or maybe Aries would have these feelings for the surrounding cards indicate quarrels, some on and offs with longing and lovesickness, because of this rival. it could be a metaphoric king indicating all other men, all other rivals, and his own jealousy about that. this will come up as an obstacle to overcome to put the first two cards in action.

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posted December 11, 2015 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, honey boo

bad stuff in this spread 7 of hearts, no bueno.
King of Diamonds is def my Scorpio ex with all the rage, and things are definitely unstable on every front as of now. ahh, well.

I like how you said - I'll whip all the mices out of Johnny's head. awww.. He is a lucky, lucky man!! I wish a partner like this myself

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posted December 11, 2015 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So dear of you to say that, sis

I see the 7 of hearts here as a temporary influence, more like someone pouting because of the mentioned reasons, both of them, in fact. I don't see it as a breakup though, more like a cloudy atmosphere still persisting, a lack of clarity getting everyone confused. I think maybe when you reach clarity yourself, so do these clouds go away...I'm sure your psychic energy is stronger than theirs, and that you somehow influence them and the situation too, in a subtle manner. But oh, this Libra curse, don't I know it ugh so hard to put an end to it.

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posted December 11, 2015 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
So dear of you to say that, sis

I see the 7 of hearts here as a temporary influence, more like someone pouting because of the mentioned reasons, both of them, in fact. I don't see it as a breakup though, more like a cloudy atmosphere still persisting, a lack of clarity getting everyone confused. I think maybe when you reach clarity yourself, so do these clouds go away...I'm sure your psychic energy is stronger than theirs, and that you somehow influence them and the situation too, in a subtle manner. But oh, this Libra curse, don't I know it ugh so hard to put an end to it.


haha...the Libra curse, always on the fence.
Truth is, it's very difficult on me and I fear I may get sick. And I am uncertain in everything. And I am hurting both of them and myself included. But noone of the trio drops the bone, so it's an endless circle. Ugh.

Thank you, my sunshine. Your presence and energy warms me up. *Grin* :-)

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posted December 12, 2015 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much for the interesting cards!

Thank you very much for the information!
I grew up with those cards and did not know that I can use them different!

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posted December 12, 2015 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just saw a picture of LeeLoo on bitwine

Soooooo lovelyyyyyyyyy love!

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posted December 12, 2015 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^^ True!
Now I know what a Queen of wands looks like.

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posted December 13, 2015 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
haha...the Libra curse, always on the fence.
Truth is, it's very difficult on me and I fear I may get sick. And I am uncertain in everything. And I am hurting both of them and myself included. But noone of the trio drops the bone, so it's an endless circle. Ugh.

Thank you, my sunshine. Your presence and energy warms me up. *Grin* :-)

[b]EDIT:
Lee,
I was browsing on;ine and found an interesting interpretation of the 7 of hearts by a lady that does french lenormand/cartomancy. She connects 7 of hearts with The Tree. Is that true?
I remember that you do this stuff as well, because you said once that Clouds is the King of Clubs and Snake is his lady, The Queen of Clubs.

Also ( I am getting so curious about cartomancy now) a lady says that :
"From the symbolism of the number 7, the 7♥ represents second chances with a more positive outcome the second time around. It reveals an opportunity to do something over, or to complete a task that was left undone. "

Do you suppose that's true or is that some wild interpretation? If that's case, you have no idea how right it is in my case ( can't elaborate, thou)! Spooky right.

and she continues:
"Card Multiples:
Two 7s: signify life changes. Two red 7s indicate health and happiness."
- as I have another 7 in the spread - 7 of diamonds (red).


lol. Look at me trying to make bad cards looking good. aahh. oh well.[/B]


Ladies, you make me blush, thank you, dears

That's true, Tree in Leno is 7 of hearts. But the meaning is quite different, not a correspondence here. Despite the cartomancy cards kept in leno, for many of them, the original meaning is not kept.
What I felt here, Orange, in regards to you and Mr Aries, is that each of you is perceiving the other unreliable, to a certain extent, in the upcoming period: there is a part of you who fears or doubts the relationship being long lasting, not necessarily because there are grounds for that, but more like a personal general fear and insecurity (which is normal, to a certain extent); and for him too, it is hard to trust, because he has his own jealousy issues plus the whole situation, he fears you will abandon him for Scorpio. So this card shows how the relationship is "poisoned", to a certain extent, because of this. In a way, it is related to Tree, when it comes to both people fearing a betrayal of trust and long term commitment (Tree)

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posted December 13, 2015 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
Thank you very much for the interesting cards!

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Mirror spread
Card 1—The Querent.

king of hearts

this looks more like the quesited. but it may show someone else is still in your heart (I know who he is, the eternal King of Cups hahahahaha the correspondence here, should I post the pic again?? lol)

------> On a analytical and non charming base it is true that I am more of the masculine type within this relationship .

That guy look really like the king of cups. The only difference is that he only wears black.

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Card 2—The way you see N in the relationship.

jack of hearts

inexperienced? too soft for you? nevertheless, lovable and kind. is he young and blond?

-----> Yes. I am passionate and he is as described in the cards.

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Card 3—The way N sees himself.

ace of clubs
an ace! lol he has a very positive view about himself, he may even be a little arrogant about it lol he sees himself as a star

----->That is true! His argument is his bank account. One maine woman, another one for the accounting and in every city a business with an immediate return of investment.

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Card 4—What the person represents to you.

6 of hearts

I have a quote here: A generous yet credulous person.

-----> I do not mind about his business.

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Card 5—What you represent to N

6 of spades

Hard work

----> In a relationship: Yes. Maybe too much work .

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Card 6—Obstacles within the relationship.

4 of diamonds

This has several meanings: financial difficulties, but also a betrayal of trust, or a secret that actually may keep you apart. Something fishy.

----> This card is absolutely normal for those kind of relationships .

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Card 7—Strengths within the relationship.

8 of spades

It seems there aren't at this point

----> No surprise here either.

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Card 8—Probable result.

2 of spades

oh well, it seems I was drawn to N for nothing...this card says nothing will happen. At least we can cross him off the list.

------>The interesting part from my side is that he comes more often since my divorce.

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Yes, dear GK I use the classical cartomancy deck (playing cards) I have a book in my language and also a compilation of files, as I have with many things, mostly from the net. I also check Metasymbiology for the personality descriptions, and you can find the basis meanings of cartomancy here, good link: http://www.cafeastrology.com/fortunetellingcards.html

Thank you very much for the information!
I grew up with those cards and did not know that I can use them different!


He has an interest, GK, but I'm not sure you'll go along with what he wants. You seem to decide to keep him at bay.

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