posted January 01, 2016 04:42 PM            

Seems like this message was about trying to fix some misunderstood that happened in the past, but in the end it turned to be worst, even with the break of the relationship these people had.

posted January 01, 2016 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Auntie,

in what way would I clarify the tower? What would be the underlying question?

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Examples:
What was The Tower in my last/x spread trying to say?
Explain to me The Tower from my last spread.

posted January 01, 2016 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
VEnus,

first your interpretation -t hen I will tell you what I said. lol

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posted January 01, 2016 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Examples:
What was The Tower in my last/x spread trying to say?
Explain to me The Tower from my last spread.

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posted January 01, 2016 05:38 PM            

thank you.
There never was a relationship, and my message was nothing but polite and friendly.

posted January 01, 2016 05:55 PM            

He published a large Thank-you-message to pretty much everyone and anyone, worthy of a speech held at the academy awards.
And also announced the upcoming birth of his second son (this was hardly a surprise though, or at least it wasn`t to me, though I guess he didnīt know that. Not that it matters).

(pretty much following the show I saw him in last week, in which he managed to zoom in on me once again, despite being in character, and well it was always me breaking the eyecontact, because, hey I was there to watch a show, and not him alone, right? It was a little strange-weird though to catch him gazing at me whenver I turned my head back to him - and whenever he did not have that much to do on stage obviously - and I mean it was even weirder with him having gotten officially married in november. ShouldnT`he find somewhere else to look? It`s not like the audience consists of only me, even though of course I can understand him, I was looking friggin amazing. Nah, seriously, that stage-stalking , and I mean him stalking me from stage, has to stop.
Well I donīt actually mind, it flatters my Ego, and I am not the one being married with children. But it makes it pretty impossible to ever be able to interact normally, you know from performer to fan and vice versa.

And that message just was a very good opportunity to do that. I mean he announced the birth of his second son, and I just politely and friendly congratulated on that upcoming birth and wishing him and his family all the best and a very happy 2016.

I was rather surprised to get such dramatic cards.
I mean he is the performer - I am the fan - even though his thank you- note to his fans or actually "to all out there" sounded a wee bit... personal. I mean usually you thank your fans for their support, enthusiasm and the likes, but thanking for "faithfulness, love and dedication/devotion"? seems to be shooting a tiny little over the mark.
But anyway I think my message, my response was absolutely appropriate in this context, and I just wished him and his family happiness. Surely that cannot be a reason to get upset?
(and no, I was NOT the only one congratulating him on that, a lot of other people did so, too).

So yeah, no clue why the Tower came up. I was just playing to the rules, wasn`t I?

posted January 01, 2016 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
just that? Tower goes against expectations,so do update us when the reply arrives.

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posted January 01, 2016 06:07 PM            

I tend to clarify The Tower when it comes up. After all surprises can be negative and positive.

Hm, I've just read the explanation. I guess your devotion to following him around can be called admirable. If I were you he'd be probably dropped already.

posted January 01, 2016 06:19 PM            

5/W is a card for vanity and wanting to prove oneself. The vanity part I know well giving the card's frequent appearance in my own fashion/appearance spreads.

Knight/C is the action you took, and the cups suit describes the nature of your action: wishes for one's well being etc.

Tower is to bring the unexpected and leave profound mark. Why wouldn't an artist's ego speak in such strong cards? It's only natural.

His attention flatters you, but your attendance feeds his creative ego. Your presence is important, Ceridwen. While he may thinks it's his work on stage that draws you in (in other words, he's the draw) it's actually you who have the power. And now, look at you, reacting outside his imagined projections, as if he wasn't the puppeteer who makes you twitch!

posted January 01, 2016 06:29 PM            

thank you.
Okay, I keep that in mind with the clarifying cards. For me personally the Tower often comes up with experiences that come sudden, shocking, drastic and lead to a bit of an earthquake resulting in me having to shift perspective, but th einteresting thing is until now those have been always good experiences.

As for following him around, I am actually not doing it that much (last saw him on the gathering in august actually), and I never, or almost never, talk to him after a show, it usually is him who has to move his bum to approach me. lol
I am not running after anyone, however I do like his energy a lot when he is on stage, or off stage, and he is a great entertainer.

Actually I was a little shocked myself, when I met a woman for coffee two days ago, who was talking about having been to the same show on 10 successive days in dcember! 10! Including waiting for a chat for the main performer at least 8 or 9 out of those 10 times.
God, I would feel so embarassed, I would not even THINK about doing this. It`s just, well, I don`t mean to say a bad thing, but I actually think it is a little pathetic or silly.

But yeah I guess I do like him enough to want to see him now and then. And that is completely unconnected to his marital status, I just accept that. I mean isn`t that what performers want their fans to do? Support them on stage, appreciate their work but accept and respect their privacy?

posted January 01, 2016 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
For me personally the Tower often comes up with experiences that come sudden, shocking, drastic and lead to a bit of an earthquake resulting in me having to shift perspective, but th einteresting thing is until now those have been always good experiences. (1)

I mean isn`t that what performers want their fans to do? Support them on stage, appreciate their work but accept and respect their privacy? (2)

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(1) Agreed.

posted January 01, 2016 06:50 PM            

I swear it, sometimes it feels like I am completely transparent to you.

"How dare you be so civil!?"
it`s not like I used manners as some sort of weapon, or is it?

"Knight/C is the action you took, and the cups suit describes the nature of your action: wishes for one's well being etc."
Yes, that was my thought, too, when I saw the card in the spread.

"but your attendance feeds his creative ego. Your presence is important, Ceridwen. "
Even to the risk of sounding arrogant, I think you`re right.

"While he may thinks it's his work on stage that draws you in (in other words, he's the draw) it's actually you who have the power."
Interesting way of seeing it, but yes, it is sort of mutual in different ways of course.

" And now, look at you, reacting outside his imagined projections, as if he wasn't the puppeteer who makes you twitch!"

LOL I like the way you phrased that sentence.

Though I really wonder what DID he expect me to do?
Hide away in a corner with quivering lips, pouting and bawling my eyes out because he is married and expecting a second child?
Or making some snarky comment even?
Or thank him profusely for the thank-you-note, which was addressed to "all out there" (and quite frankly, the last messages on his page were actually from me, so I definitely was one of those "all out there" candidates)?
Yeah maybe that is it actually, he probably did expect me to do exactly that, being all touched and moved and teary eyed about the generosity of him to think of his fans just after the new year started (what was he doing on his fansite anyway, just after the fireworks were fading away outside, did he not have a party to be on or I don`t know, give his wife a foot massage? - to be honest I have been thinking of much last night but my workplace, my pupils and their parents, and my colleagues were NOT among those I have been thinking of, just when the new year started - well I guess people are different).

I did think it was kinda cute, that message, But I don`t have to verbalize this, do I?

posted January 01, 2016 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

(2) They want them to make the artist feel like a god. And I don't think you'd appear to him just like an ordinary fan would, though.

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Well I am not really all that good in the adoration-business. I remember I saw his now--wife once in a concert and the way how she even admired his ability to breathe independently, it made me alternatively roll my eyes or get a laughing fit.
She even looked at him like that the last time I saw her. like he was some God having stepped down from some heaven and she still couldnīt believe her luck.
It`s not something I really can understand to be honest.
I can like and admire people, care for them, love them, but THAT kind of worship?
That is impossible for me to even grasp.
So, no, I think I donīt really act like the fan I am supposed to be. I mean, I even told him last year I donīt want his autograph, and he seemed a bit baffled, offended, and surprised.
But as I said to him: What should I do with the thing?

So yeah, I guess I tend to sometimes react in unpredictable ways. Well, he is very talkative, and always has the last word, always has something more to say; still I more than once managed to shut him up, because he seemed to have no idea what to say. I mean, NOONE else has the last word when I am around.

and no, I donīt feel like he sees me as an ordinary fan, really, a suppporter maybe?
Though I am not sure he knows what category I would fit in, and if he does, it would be kind of him to let me know. Cause I have no freaking clue!

posted January 01, 2016 07:19 PM            

- I am shocked at you, Neptune Risers, the bastions of the incorporeal.

"it`s not like I used manners as some sort of weapon, or is it?"

- Yes, the most lethal kind - the art of not giving a damn. The manners are the accepted from of 0 fcuks ever given.

"Interesting way of seeing it, but yes, it is sort of mutual in different ways of course."

- A powerplay! As ever, when it comes to male/female dynamics.

"Though I really wonder what DID he expect me to do?"

- To read his mind, bless them men?
- To affirm his belief that this what the 2 of you are playing is a bespoke, little dance and to act in a way that is meaningful/satisfactory for him AND obscure enough so no one can say anything about it, jeopardising his security. Maybe he likes this fun limbo. Nothing ever changes, and it is just as it should be, in his mind. Your mundane reaction got to him!!

posted January 01, 2016 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Well I am not really all that good in the adoration-business. I remember I saw his now--wife once in a concert and the way how she even admired his ability to breathe independently, it made me alternatively roll my eyes or get a laughing fit.
She even looked at him like that the last time I saw her. like he was some God having stepped down from some heaven and she still couldnīt believe her luck.
(1)

It`s not something I really can understand to be honest.
I can like and admire people, care for them, love them, but THAT kind of worship?
That is impossible for me to even grasp.
(2)

So, no, I think I donīt really act like the fan I am supposed to be. I mean, I even told him last year I donīt want his autograph, and he seemed a bit baffled, offended, and surprised.
But as I said to him: What should I do with the thing?
(3)

and no, I donīt feel like he sees me as an ordinary fan, really, a suppporter maybe? (4)

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(1) Boy, if she does that intentionally, she's good. Knows what makes him move all she plays all the right notes. Her man, her territory, beware. But, if she actually thinks/feels that he's the 2nd coming of Jesus/Richard Barton, she'll sooner do herself in, if someone more "experienced" comes along and plays at her game with more efficacy. Also, this is a matter of personal pride. There are people who identify themselves through their work, accomplishments, and then there are who do the same by association with another human being. An existential sycophant. I think less versed people would simply call her "very much in love".

(2) So, no fainting for you, when you meet the Man?

(3) I think this the plot vehicle every romance novels ever needed - the challenge! He'll drop everything to make you come to your senses and see the glorious being that he is!

(4) Maybe he sees you like THE fan, the one who's not... stabby, but wise and interesting. You know, when a really serious person comes along and tells you - good work, this serious business; I salute you! - He feels validated. Artists/Their colleagues, Artists/Muses, Artists/Fans : all points of personal recognition.

posted January 02, 2016 08:28 AM            

I have only seen or heard her snap at him one time, and that was several months ago on a concert, just a few minutes after he had come down off his stage to approach me and ask for my name and it was all very innocent really, and when he got back on stage, making some joke (unrelated to me), she suddenly was snapping from behind: "You are disgusting."
And no, it did not sound playful at all. It more or less felt like the temperature in the room had dropped about 10 degrees.

But apart from that she is his biggest fan (she actually really was, that is to a big part how they met). And she must have been for a long time. as she was once showing a photo of her appartment, she had before they got together, and she was having a huge poster of him hanging at the wall, from his first role in "Titanic", which is like 10 years ago or so. lol

Apparently he likes being worshipped though.
(and must have been a nice change, for I can`t imagine the girlfriend he had before to have ever done the worshipping-thing. She is even more of an Aquarius than I am with only my moon in that sign).

As for the birth of his first child, well he totally dotes on him, and it`s his most favourite role I think right now, but he seems to have been anything but enthusiastic when she became pregnant just very quickly.
How I know that?
Well people insist on telling me stuff like that; I would never inquire about that, they just seem to can`t keep shut about these things (and he must actually have told that some people himself).

"(2) So, no fainting for you, when you meet the Man? "
No, not anymore.
I mean there was this one time I really almost passed out, but it was probably because of the shock, as he had suddenly sneakt up on me (well not really on me, but just coincidentally right beside me) and I had not eaten much that day anyway, so I guess I was just feeling weak due to the lack of water, food and oxygene in the club anyway.
And recently nope no fainting.I mostly often just sit there staring at him with probably that expression in my eyes of: "What the **** is going on?"

"He'll drop everything to make you come to your senses and see the glorious being that he is!"
LOL
Yeah, he tries.
he tends to occasionally challenge me, but I seem to never react to the challenge as I am supposed to be. And I unfortunately hae the tendency to talk a bit of nunsense, that does not make any sense at all when he is around (that is IF I open my mouth to speak).

For example, at the small gathering in august I had to leave long before the gathering was finished (I had not expected him to spend the WHOLE afternoon and evening with us. lol)
So I - once again- had to leave prematurely, and to do thta I had to pass him to get to the door (beside which his wife was still leaning and guarding her treasure). And since it was such a small room (just a room in a restaurant, with maybe 30 people there or so, not more, so the space was quite narrow), and well naturally he wouldn`t let me leave in silence. lol
So just when I had reached the door, and was sort of standing in between his wife (who looked with an odd expression of startled surprise at me and made me feel a little uncomfortable) and him, he had to call out to me, just teasing me that it`s just so typical. Now that I`ve had scrounged all prizes, I would simply leave.
(he was referring to a situation before that afternoon)

And well, I turned to him and said: "Well, yeah, you got me. That is who I am." wishing everyone else there good continued fun and left (my DAd was already waiting out ther, he had offered to give me a ride, and I had not left a minute too early, one more and he would have come into the room as well, and things would have been even more awkward. lol)

I have no clue why I said that, as I said, it doesn`t even make sense. And well, to be honest my departured did feel a little bit like an escape. lol

It`s interesting though, but people seem to remember that. I mean I am just one person, but when I met a woman who was there, too that day, last week, she was referring to my early departure on that gathering, and that has been 4 months ago!

"You know, when a really serious person comes along and tells you - good work, this serious business; I salute you! - He feels validated."
That is what I want to accomplish, notwithstanding the little weird interactions we sometimes have. lol

posted January 02, 2016 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have only seen or heard her snap at him one time, and that was several months ago on a concert, just a few minutes after he had come down off his stage to approach me and ask for my name and it was all very innocent really, and when he got back on stage, making some joke (unrelated to me), she suddenly was snapping from behind: "You are disgusting."
(1)

But apart from that she is his biggest fan (she actually really was, that is to a big part how they met). And she must have been for a long time. as she was once showing a photo of her appartment, she had before they got together, and she was having a huge poster of him hanging at the wall, from his first role in "Titanic", which is like 10 years ago or so. lol
(2)

As for the birth of his first child, well he totally dotes on him, and it`s his most favourite role I think right now, but he seems to have been anything but enthusiastic when she became pregnant just very quickly.
How I know that?
Well people insist on telling me stuff like that; I would never inquire about that, they just seem to can`t keep shut about these things (and he must actually have told that some people himself).
(3)

I mean there was this one time I really almost passed out, but it was probably because of the shock, as he had suddenly sneakt up on me (well not really on me, but just coincidentally right beside me) and I had not eaten much that day anyway, so I guess I was just feeling weak due to the lack of water, food and oxygene in the club anyway. (4)

Yeah, he tries.
he tends to occasionally challenge me, but I seem to never react to the challenge as I am supposed to be. And I unfortunately hae the tendency to talk a bit of nunsense, that does not make any sense at all when he is around (that is IF I open my mouth to speak). (5)

For example, at the small gathering in august I had to leave long before the gathering was finished (I had not expected him to spend the WHOLE afternoon and evening with us. lol)
So I - once again- had to leave prematurely, and to do thta I had to pass him to get to the door (beside which his wife was still leaning and guarding her treasure). And since it was such a small room (just a room in a restaurant, with maybe 30 people there or so, not more, so the space was quite narrow), and well naturally he wouldn`t let me leave in silence. lol
So just when I had reached the door, and was sort of standing in between his wife (who looked with an odd expression of startled surprise at me and made me feel a little uncomfortable) and him, he had to call out to me, just teasing me that it`s just so typical. Now that I`ve had scrounged all prizes, I would simply leave.
(he was referring to a situation before that afternoon)
(6)

And well, I turned to him and said: "Well, yeah, you got me. That is who I am." wishing everyone else there good continued fun and left (my DAd was already waiting out ther, he had offered to give me a ride, and I had not left a minute too early, one more and he would have come into the room as well, and things would have been even more awkward. lol)

I have no clue why I said that, as I said, it doesn`t even make sense. And well, to be honest my departured did feel a little bit like an escape. lol (7)

It`s interesting though, but people seem to remember that. I mean I am just one person, but when I met a woman who was there, too that day, last week, she was referring to my early departure on that gathering, and that has been 4 months ago! (8)

That is what I want to accomplish, notwithstanding the little weird interactions we sometimes have. lol
(9)

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