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creative_charismatic_capr
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posted February 06, 2004 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for creative_charismatic_capr     Edit/Delete Message
I just saw the final chapter of the LOTR trilogy... and i simply loved the movie!!!

My saturnine mind then thought that if its characters were to be classified under zodiac signs, what would they??

Here are the conclusions i got:

Frodo Baggins: Aries

Aragorn: Libra

Gollum: Gemini (duh!..no doubt about it)

Sam Gamgee: Pisces

Legolas: Virgo

Arwin as well as Galadriel: Cancer

Gandalf: Capricorn

Saruman and in a weird way, the ring: Scorpio

well this is just my opinion...what do you all think???

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Blazini
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posted February 06, 2004 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blazini     Edit/Delete Message
I think you got it pretty close!
Heres some suggestions.
Frodo-Aquarius
Aragorn-Leo
Sam-Taurus
Legolas-Aries
Gandalf-Cappy

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Eleanore
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posted February 07, 2004 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Personally, I felt Aragorn to be a Scorpio (!), with perhaps Leo Rising, and Moon in Capricorn. But I say so more from the perspective of the books than the movie.
I agree with Gandalf as a Capricorn, though I definitely think Saruman would be a Gemini (maybe Moon in Scorpio?)!
Sam Gamgee I also think would be a Pisces, but I think Frodo would be a Capricorn, with Aries Rising or an Aries Moon. And Legolas does seem quite the Virgo type. Galadriel I thought to be an Aquarius, while Arwen I did feel to be to be a Cancer, perhaps with Aries Rising. Just my two cents anyway

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creative_charismatic_capr
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posted February 07, 2004 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for creative_charismatic_capr     Edit/Delete Message
The reason why i thought Aragorn to be a Libra was because of his dimples!!!

Plus he was very fair in his judgements and always saw things from all perspectives before making a decision.

Plus he has all that Libran Honor... but his dimples gave him away!!

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Harpyr
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posted February 08, 2004 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message
ahh that's the danger with the movies.. You must be careful not to mistake the actor for the character..
Viggo Mortenson.. aka Aragorn, is a Libra.

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eightdegrees
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posted February 17, 2004 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eightdegrees     Edit/Delete Message
I would say scorp for Aragorn, and his lady Arwen probably pisces because their relationship seems very scorpio-pisces. Perhaps Sam is a pisces but I'd say Cancer more likely. Legolas is very virgo- but maybe with a pisces rising.

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pixelpixie
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posted February 17, 2004 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Elanore~
quote:
I felt Aragorn to be a Scorpio (!), with perhaps Leo Rising, and Moon in Capricorn.

Just curious how these particular combinations of signs came to be, as they are mine! I just thought that was interesting. Wondering what your take of this combo was.....

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TINK
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posted February 17, 2004 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe the stars are a little different in Middle-Earth, and I'm sure someone already brought this up but...I've got to say that Aragorn was born to Gilraen and Arathorn II on March 1st. I know my Tolkien by heart but not my astrology. What would that make him? Pisces or Aries? Mr Bilbo Baggins and his nephew, Frodo, shared the birthdate of September 22nd. Virgo? Yeah, yeah I'm a Tolkien nerd. Go ahead and laugh.

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Motherkonfessor
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posted February 17, 2004 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Motherkonfessor     Edit/Delete Message
Wow Tink, you are good. I bet you beat everyone at the LOTR Trivial Pursuit game.
Do years have the same number of days in Middle Earth? Somehow I would expect they would run on a lunar not solar calendar.... maybe thats just because I would expect a land with magic to be more attuned to nature, and thus use the moon not the solar model.

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pixelpixie
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posted February 17, 2004 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Pisces, and Yes, Virgo.

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proxieme
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posted February 18, 2004 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for proxieme     Edit/Delete Message
This is a longshot, but what if Tolkien did give those birthdates intentionally? I mean, Bilbo and Frodo both do very concretely serve (even if unintionally w/ Bilbo) the rest of Middle Earth, and Aragorn gives himself up to complete service (as one might expect from a Pisces). Just because he's slightly more aggressive/leader-ly than you might think for a Fish doesn't mean much - after all, George Washington was a Pisces, no? And so is the surprisingly sensitive and contemplative macho-man Bruce Willis.
Somehow having the "main characters" on that astrological axis makes sense.

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Harpyr
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posted February 18, 2004 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message
Tolkien seems to do his homework. I would wager that his choice of their birthdays was intentional.
I could see definetly see Aragorn as a Pisces. I've known some fish who can be fierce when it is called for. Being the oldest sign, they have great depths of potential behavior to draw upon.

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Miracle
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posted February 20, 2004 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Miracle     Edit/Delete Message
How interesting!!!

I actually thought of their sun signs as I was watching the film in the cinema!!!

I would say...

Arwin = Pisces
Legolas = Virgo
Gandalf = Capricorn

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Eleanore
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posted February 20, 2004 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I can't argue with Tolkien, lol. If Aragorn's a Pisces then i can accept that
I would have to agree with eight-degrees about the kind of relationship between Arwen and Aragorn, so perhaps then she is a Scorpio?
Oh and, I have wondered for a while, did they follow our calendar in Middle Earth? I would be inclined to think yes, but do you know for certain, Tink?

Pixlepixie
Well I thought Scorpio Sun because he is such a loner and has such incredible will power! He understands the deeper mysteries of his world and is a fighter for a great cause. Moon in Capricorn I felt because he is so burdened with the weight of the world, yet he doesn't complain and keeps striving to achieve his goals ... even when it might appear hopeless to others. Also, he was love life was put on hold for so long because of his unswerving devotion to his cause. Leo Rising I thought because of his eventual destiny as King, his generosity towards others, and his very commanding nature. I also have my secret theories about Middle Earth being more than fantasy, and that is one of the reasons for the Leo Rising as well.
Upon reflection though I can see the Piscean influence, considering his talents as a healer and his surprisingly good singing voice ... also his astounding faith.
I still can't help feeling there has got to be some Scorpio in him somewhere, lol, particularly because of the way that he is described in the beginning of the LOTR.
<sigh> I am now wanting to reread the whole series ... again

Oh, and Tink, I would never ever even think of laughing at you for your knowledge of Tolkien! It is a great thing, I think, and says only good things about you.

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pixelpixie
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posted February 20, 2004 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I'd sure like to put some Scorpio in him ...er...um.. I guess that would be the other way around, huh?!

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TINK
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posted February 20, 2004 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Ahem...Professor tink's Tolkien 101 class will now begin.

Naturally, the Shire calender was somewhat different than our own. Although the length of the year was the same, each month had 30 days. To make up the difference there were a few extra days in summer called the Lithedays and few extra days in winter called the Yuledays. And you are right Mk - the early Hobbit calender was based on the moon cycles. A gold Star for you. The Eldar's(Elves), however, was solar. Quite like the Native Americans, The Eldar counted their "months" with the seasons. Spring, summer, autumn, fading, winter, stirring. The Hobbits didn't count "weeks" until they came in contact with the Dunedain (Aragorn was of this line). Of course, the Dunedain derived much of their culture, language and their own calendar from the Eldar in Numenor. Think of Numenor as Atlantis. The Dunedain added a 7th day to the week unlike the Eldar who had only 6. The Hobbits followed the Dunedain with a 7 day week too. To make things more complicated, the order of the calender sometimes changed based upon events. For instance, as you all know, Sauron was defeated on March 25th. Thereafter, the first day of the Hobbit calender became March 25th. This worked out nicely because now the Hobbit calendar began in spring - just like the Eldarin. Phew. I'm getting a headache now so I'll wrap this up. Tolkien himself said, "March 25th, the date of the downfall of Barad-dur, would correspond to our March 27th". I double checked that in book just to make sure. Bottom line is - I suppose not enough of a difference to change anyone's sun sign.

I agree with you Eleanore. Although I think the pisces sun sign is accurate, Aragorn has definitely got some scorp in there. Rising maybe? I'm reminded of the grim, mysterious first impression he gave the Hobbits at Bree. As Frodo said, "One of Sauron's spies would - well, seem fairer and feel fouler". Tolkien never reveals Arwen's date of birth - only the year. The mother of a great line of Kings, such a close relationship with her father, her self-sacrifice. I'd have to go with cancer. But an astrology expert I am not. So I'll let wiser heads prevail.

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posted February 20, 2004 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Pixel, for God's sake have some respect for the King! Jeesh. You scorps are all alike.

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pixelpixie
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posted February 21, 2004 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, but that IS respect... Ultimate respect... you know all about that, you scorp you.....
Sorry, all my posts have been 'amorous' tonight.. my mind is in the gutter..
sorry to sexually hijack this great thread..
*cough*
~CARRY ON~

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Eleanore
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posted February 22, 2004 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, Tink! You rock!
If you have anything else you might want to share about LOTR, please feel free I'm curious about everything!
I also am quite gusted and gruntled about thinking of Numenor as Atlantis ... because I always have thought of it that way

Well, my initial perception of Arwen was as a Cancer, but I guess we won't know for sure.
Regardless of their signs, the characters in the entire series are absolutely the most fascinating, intriguing, inspiring, and emotionally complex I've ever come across ... and the story is by far one of the greatest I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing.

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Motherkonfessor
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posted February 22, 2004 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Motherkonfessor     Edit/Delete Message
Why, thank you Tink....considering I know very very little about LOTR, I am flattered with the star!!!

Last night I had a conversation about this with my local Tolkien expert...she was saying something about some force that created the Universe in the books (no, I can't even pronounce it, much less spell it) and the basic idea she gave me was this...
(she is an astrology buff too, so she knows what I was asking for)
Basically, there would be no astrology in Middle Earth because there are no other planets, or stars, etc,but Earth? And that this would negate astrology althogether.. Booo hooooo.....

Not that it matters for this thread, but I was curious if this is the correct interpretation of the books?

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TINK
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posted February 22, 2004 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm. maybe your expert refers to Iluvatar? Also known as Eru. The One. The begining.

I would humbly beg to differ with the no stars concept though. Remember the vial of white light Galadrial gave Frodo when he left Lothlorien, the one he used to fight off Shelob? That was light from the Star named after Earendil - the Evening Star. Varda or Elbereth was the Eldarin mother type goddess and was called the Lady of the Stars.

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Motherkonfessor
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posted February 26, 2004 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Motherkonfessor     Edit/Delete Message
oooooooh, thanks Tink! Now I can sound smart when the topic comes up with my friend again!! The lingistics of pronouncing those names, tho, will "out" me as the pretender I am.

However, you will get the credit for the idea. Maybe I can get my friend to join the board, too.....she is a fellow lover-of-all-things-Linda!

MK

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posted February 26, 2004 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Tink...I'm a huge LOTR fan as well. I first read the books over 30 years ago and have been more than a little ticked off ever since that I don't live in Middle Earth. I have, however, found a place as similar as possible.

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posted March 09, 2004 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for copious     Edit/Delete Message
just curious...

did the virgo and the other signs seem to get along...even for a little while?

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posted March 11, 2004 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2tailscorp     Edit/Delete Message
I have a 1978 calendar that shows Bilboa and Frodo with the same birthdays (and lists years), and it shows them to be Virgo or Libra. I can't remember which but as soon as I find the calendar I'll check for sure.

Also, it shows Sam Gangee's birthday in late March: Aries.

Just thought I'd share!

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