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Distantdrummer
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posted March 25, 2004 01:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey knowflakes,

has anyone read this book! the title can be found in the recommended reading list in linda goodmans star signs. its filled with awesome info about the legendary spear that was used by the roman soldier longinus to pierce the side of christ. since then
the spear has been passed through the hands of conquerers throughout history. the legend is that whoever held the spear in their possesion also held the destiny of mankind in their hands for good or evil!
it explains in graphic detail how hitler used black magic practices and the spear to achieve his aims for world domination.
this book is amazing. it comes in two parts. the other book is called the mark of the beast.
this book explains the first appearance of the anti-christ (ahriman-lucifer) and how it took possesion of adolf hitler just like the first book, but also how the two horned beast would take posession of the next world dictator. napoleon bonaparte had a goal to achieve world domination. he died with a frustrated ambition to rule the world. its known that napoleon sought to attain the spear but before he could get his grubby hands on it, it was snuck out of germany. reincarnated and posessed by the two horned beast, napoleon will fulfill his dream of world domination in the coming years with the spear at his side.
the most disturbing part of this book is where it explains how christians would be fooled by this dictator dude because they expect jesus to return in the flesh.when in actuality his next coming will be inside everyman.

that explains the late chapters in goobers.
she shows a drawing of a tiny cup with the words holy grail written on it.
we are the cups that the christ conciousness will pour itself into.


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TINK
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posted March 25, 2004 10:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read it. Trevor Ravenscroft was a student of Walter Stein who was a student of Rudolph Steiner. I think Rudolph Steiner is a teacher without equal. Sometimes difficult but trustworthy. Lots of little teasers in the book that are worth exploring. What did you think of the Ahriman/Lucifer idea - the contrasting philosopies between the two trains of thought? Mr Steiner had many more interesting things to say about the emergence of the Ahrimanic influence in America. Have you found his website? There's a school too.

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posted March 25, 2004 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read it. It has to be one of the most interesting works I've come across. I highly recommend it ... to some people

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TINK
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posted March 25, 2004 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know something just told me you had read it too, Eleanor.

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Eleanore
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posted March 25, 2004 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL I wasn't surprised to see your reply here either. I must admit it's been a while since I read it, but of course, I'll probably go back and read it again now.
I'm sure I'll find enough stuff I missed the first time to make my jaw drop again.
I thought the Ahriman/Lucifer insight was dead on (pardon the expression). It helped me see the situation clearly from a perspective I had usually ignored (due to my Catholic upbringing ). What were you thoughts, if you don't mind?

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posted March 25, 2004 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome, Distantdrummer!

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talaith
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posted March 26, 2004 03:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi distant d ~

this was an amazing book...it opened my eyes to so much! and i really like how you relate it to Gooberz.

i do need to re-read it though.

since reading it, i have been immensely interested in r. steiner....recently in anthroposophic medicine and waldorf home-schooling.

but i don't have much information on either of these, and would be grateful for any available.

and would anyone care to expound a little further on the ahrimanic influence in america that Tink mentioned? i don't recall a lot about that.

thanks!

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posted March 28, 2004 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
talaith,
I believe that the Luciferic/Ahrimanic issue was from "The Mark of the Beast" which is the book after "The Spear of Destiny".

Here are some quotes to give a basic overview:

"... The temptation of the hot Luciferic demonry assails man in his inward personal life, whereas the cold Ahrimanic corruption operates more in the form of a social evil in the impersonal relationships of civilization."

"Of course in religious mythology Lucifer is responsible for the fall of mankind from paradise. Restated in the terminology of the evolution of consciousness Lucifer brings self-conscious thinking to man and in so doing divides him from his natural spiritual inheritance. It is at this point that the Ahrimanic powers step in to persuade man that there is only one reality - the reality of the sense world out of which the whole universe can be explained in scientific terms. Ahriman has to a large extent removed the influence of Lucifer from many aspects of the modern scene. The Ahrimanic forces dominate the world today. Ahriman, the lord of the physical world, is the very spirit of modern technology. He works in the cold, soulless, machine-driven intellectual climate of our impersonal mechanized age. It is also Ahriman who directs the sense-derived consciousness of scientific materialism and cold computer calculation which ultimately reduces man himself to an impersonal statistical cypher. No sane person would wish to reverse industrial progress but we must learn to use this Ahrimanically inspired technology so that we do not become slaves to it.
The Revelation clearly reveals that the Ahrimanic powers will hypnotize mankind into accepting the phenomenal world as the whole world, creating the illusion of materialism. Under such an illusion the conscience of men can be undermined leading to a state of moral degeneration in which human life is so undervalued that man himself becomes totally subservient to the ideology that rules him. In this milieu the ideologies of both the left and right will develop until the State has total control not only over the individual but also over the way in which he thinks. This amoral condition insidiously created by Ahriman leaves mankind totally vulnerable to the Luciferic powers awaiting humanity as their prey. This is why the Revelation informs us that the second beast does not itself come fully into sight but remains in the background in order to betray mankind to the first beast."

"The values of this capitalist state [USA], 'Freedom', 'Democracy' and 'Private Enterprise', are considered to be the ultimate virtues ... The USA is the home of mass production, where mass persuasion through advertising -propaganda raised to an art form - and mechanical efficiency, are deemed as concepts of major virtue. The Ahrimanic influences are clearly at work at the very heart of American society."


Of course, there is a whole book (well, 2 books) to read, but this should make the basic idea clear.
1973 "The Spear of Destiny"
1990 "The Mark of the Beast"
I point out the dates as a sign of hope. There is still time.

Tink,
I see you are also aware of Steiner's work. He is one of my most trusted inspirations as well, though I also find him a little difficult at times . I was just wondering about the names Ravenscroft uses ... Lucifer versus Ahriman. I was under the impression, from Steiner's works if my memory serves me well, that the Luciferic/Ahrimanic forces are one and the same while the "Ahrimanic" forces that Ravenscroft refers to are actually Mephistopheles. Do you have any insight into this? I intend to check my copies just in case, but I know I've checked out a number of his books from the library so I may not own the copy ... and I simply cannot remember which book it was. I believe Steiner was discussing the relationship between Lucifer's influence on us "fallen" angels and how, because of him, we have the ability to become true individuals whereas if we had never fallen, we would've simply followed "God's" plan without question. This then lead to the reason for Jesus coming in order to show us how to achieve individuality/enlightenment for ourselves, etc. I mention this in the hopes that it might jog your memory where it has failed to jog mine, lol.

Also, back to "The Spear of Destiny", did anyone catch the mention of how Emperor Justinian also possessed the spear during his reign? It is very interesting considering the Jesus/Osiris and Justinian/Set phenomenon. Any thoughts on this strange relationship between "Christ" and the "Anti-Christ"? I have my vague theories in regards to the spear and it's symbolism, but I'd really like to hear anyone else's if they'd like to share.


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posted March 28, 2004 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've dug up some stuff on Waldorf home schooling for you, talaith.
http://www.waldorfhomeschoolers.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WE_HS/
http://www.live-education.com/

I also found some sites for anthroposophic medicine.
http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et1097/et1097s6.html
http://www.weleda.co.uk/index.htm?http&&&www.weleda.co.uk/anthint.htm
http://www.paam.net/

These are topics I'm also quite interested in but haven't looked too far into, so thanks for the push in the right direction. I hope this helps you out!

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posted April 06, 2004 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just bumping this up. Hope no one minds.

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posted April 16, 2004 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I feel a little silly about the continuous bumps. Ah well, here I go again!
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posted February 02, 2011 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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