posted May 29, 2004 05:53 PM         

I agree with bewitched -- many people aren't aware of their Higher Selves. Most people work from their conscious minds (Ego) and deny the existence of their Higher Self and their Unconscious. Like bewitched said, until you know the person better, keep relating to them at the Conscious level and keep yourself protected.

posted May 30, 2004 02:52 PM         

I see the good in people where most don't, and if I have judged them with ego, I try to be more open minded...

posted June 02, 2004 06:03 PM         

Hello
I'm new to the site.I hope the "Smille" I choose represents curiosity, if not I hope I didn't offend anyone.

I am not "religious" Nor have I sought out a path to find spiritual guidence. Until recently. I began therapy, and the first moment I met my therapist, we just stared at each other. I immediatly realized I was "Brought" there for a different purpose.
Nothing was said, I had a rew sessions and complained about the physical world.

I came to realize she was an Native American with a strong sense of her own spirituality, somehow we got onto the topic of spirituality, I explained I didn't really know any details but wanted to know more. Eventually, the subject if intuition came up and I said yeah I seem to know an essence of someone when I meet them, They don't even have to talk and I already know where they are in their lives. As though reading a book they haven't read before. Is this what you are speaking of when you talk about "Higher Selves"

Look forward to hearing from you.

posted June 03, 2004 01:37 PM         

I think SunChild's example really sums it up well. All we can do is treat others the way we want to be treated, regardless of what level we are interacting on.

posted June 15, 2004 03:07 AM         

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"Infinity Extends Outward Through Space And Time.

posted June 17, 2004 09:52 AM         

hey batgirl - great question. i think the old concept of the eyes being the window to the soul is a fabulous metaphor. i've been in the room with someone and gotten no sense of who they were, but the moment we made eye contact i felt information about them... download. does that make sense?

what aspects do you have a hard time relating to when facing a higher self rather than ego self aspect?

for me i do feel it's my own ego that gets in the way of higher self interactions - no one can influence how i see or treat them, and if i don't react to how they may treat me badly then their intended hurtful effects are moot. it's sooooo difficult and i usually can't hack it (moon in aries likes to fight!), but it helps maintain equilibrium in my life when i can manage it. and is so much more rewarding.

posted June 19, 2004 02:32 PM         

if it's a gift, right now it's just plain confusing.

SunChild--i think i more often get scared subconsciously upon seeing something about a person i'd rather not see about them, and it kicks me up to seeing their 'perfect' self, before i'm even aware of the negative thing. more often than not, if i see a person's higher self, they've got something major going on, on a conscious level that's hard for me to deal with

i think a big problem in my life has been not having enough ego--and because of it now i'm dealing with the reality of survival for the first time at age 30--i've just always thought things would fall into place--'do what you love and the money will follow' etc, but what i love keeps changing

when i encounter someone on a higher self level, this is where i can see past life information, it is their higher self telling it to me

also maybe why i can more often see the higher self of 'unsavory' folk is that they are most in need of their higher self at that point, and so it is that energy that is most predominant. other people seem to be more on 'coast' from previous contact with their higher self

Xelena Ben-- about eye contact--this is where it can get the most confusing for me--because i cant tell in someone's eyes what they are consciously aware of, i'm anxious for them to 'be' their higher self, but in reality it more often than not turns out to be wishful thinking. it seems like such a simple step, from my eyes to just become one's higher self--like the time existing in one second--i'm not sure where time goes in this state, because the barrier between us and timelessness seems to be our being tied to jobs--keeping us from reaching our spriritual potential. but this is just from my non-omniscent perspective

bewitched--more on what i see as the difference with conscious and higher self--i dont know, i need help at this point understanding the regular conscious self. the regular conscious self is so concerned with day-to-day necessities, that it might as well be a robot--it's very confusing for me

i tend to have higher self experiences as an escape mechanism from normal 'conscious' reality, which i dont like at all, and since there seem to be many levels of self, i am so bewildered

posted July 06, 2004 11:53 AM         

Sorry for the delayed response… I have been away for a bit. And here comes a dissertation. (You’ve been warned!)

I can understand how seeing people’s Higher Selves is a bit confusing. You are seeing people how they were meant to be before society and cultural teaching “taught” us to be. The conscious is where we exercise free will – for the good and bad. We force change or results with our conscious decisions – and they may not always be for our Highest good.

Yes, many people take offense when someone points out something that needs to be fixed. Remember, the conscious is also known as the Ego. And egos get in the way of so much good that can happen. Because the Ego thinks that it is always right. The Ego rules most peoples’ outer expressions.

It’s tough to “be friendly”. I know that. Especially in a work environment where we are all thrown into a mass of people with different backgrounds and levels of enlightenment (or not). And I know about the moral qualms that come with it. I prefer not to “act” in a certain way or “fake it” just to get along, either.

Sounds like you’re in a difficult situation. It would be nice if you could better resonate with those around you and that’s your dilemma. I don’t think I have any good answers for you on how to feel better about it. I wish I did.

I have been in many work environments that were highly Ego driven, partly because I have worked in sales and sales support. And we all know that line of work historically draws people with huge egos. (It takes a big ego to be told “no” about 100 times a day and be able to keep going.) And quite often, there was back-stabbing, lying and cheating going on all around.

What I did for my own survival in those situations was to stay true to myself, and when bad things happened I did my best to remember that “these people” were not their behaviors. Sounds like a lame band-aid, huh? But underneath all of that is the bigger picture. I would ask myself, “What is the lesson to be learned here?” Or, “What in me attracted this?”

Youch! But consider this…..

“These people” are in your life to help you learn! Surprising, isn’t it? How can you learn from a nasty person? By looking inward. I’m going to get deep, here.

All that is outside of us is an illusion. Think about that. All that is outside of us is an illusion.

People behave in predictable ways for us to evolve and grow, or not. It depends on us! I’m talking about 100% responsibility.

There is a simple and profound equation to consider. Cause and Effect. Which side of the equation are you on? Unfortunately, for me, I’m about 50-50 on that equation a lot of the time. Sometimes 60-40, but quite often 50-50. It is difficult to stay on the cause side of the equation. It’s so easy, and often acceptable, to be on the effect side. Because the effect side is the “victim” side. And how many people are “victimized” by the circumstances in their life? A lot.

You, however, can move yourself closer and closer to the cause side of the equation by looking inward and discovering the positive lessons to be learned in many difficult situations. It’s all up to you. When you discover the positive lessons and make the inward changes necessary, bit by bit, you will find your outer world making positive changes.

Have you considered study of some disciplines, such as NLP or Sourcing ™? There are some excellent books on NLP. Sourcing™ is taught by an institute in Texas. Most any book written by Richard Bandler and John Grinder would be a good start for NLP. Many people are turned off by NLP because there are some that misuse it. I would say to take the information in and use the skills with the intention of using it for everyone’s highest good (including you). Sourcing is an excellent discipline to discover the underlying lessons to be learned, as well, and I use Sourcing™ quite often.

Has any of this helped?

Because you can see people for the beautiful children of God that they are, you have, really, a wonderful gift. Maybe confusing now, and at the same time wonderful. Why? Because you know that people are NOT THEIR BEHAVIORS. You know that deep down, people are children of God and that they are only “behaving” in bad, good, or indifferent ways, for example.

I have come across some pretty nasty people in my life. And I used to hate them for being so nasty to me and others. It wasn’t until one of my teachers pointed out the difference. People behave. Their Higher Self is their essence. The Higher Self is the blueprint for perfection and knows only love. It’s the conscious mind that mucks it all up. But then again, that’s not all bad, either. It’s all part of the great plan we chose to come and learn our lessons for our Souls’ journeys.

Another thing you can do for yourself is to imagine a loving and protecting bubble of love and light to surround you. Draw upon God’s pure love and light as you create your “bubble”. Another thing to say to yourself could be, “In the center of the light I stand. I am safe from harm here.” Say it with resolve and for the highest good of all concerned.

You have a gift, and know this: You are a gift. The people you find yourself with will be forever changed by being around you. They may not know it now or ever – consciously – but they will know it within their Higher Self.

Keep me posted and if you have any other questions, we could always take this off-line. Let me know and I will provide my email.

posted August 18, 2004 08:13 PM         

many people kick the higher self to the curb all the tme. but 'he/she' can accept that.

we all have One...many of us reject it out of

fear, conditining to the self that is notreally us...

if i were to suggest an expert on the field and I am i would suggest

DRUNVALO MELCHIZEDEK

put that name in a search engine and see what he has to say

posted August 19, 2004 11:55 AM         

"People are not their behaviours"...

I need to adopt that truth and keep it in mind whenever I have been deeply hurt, frustrated or angered by someone. We are all children of God, even my "friend".

posted August 19, 2004 08:31 PM         

Also, I reckon Homer is sometimes like the one of old, man, I swear he's an aquarian. The way he just knows stuff. In fact, what about the other Simpsons? This prolly isn't the thread for philosophising the Simpsons...