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Topic: How Jesus healed
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iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 24, 2004 10:19 PM
 
Its been said Jesus used to heal people differently. For one he only used his hands on a blind man's eye and it got healed. For another, he actually picked clay and spit and made a paste and applied on the blind man's eyes and he got healed. For some he only said the words. Theres more. Any ideas all you know flakes, what is the technique. Is it only spiritual based healing. Does the spit represent water and clay earth? Whats going on here guys?
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Gia
Moderator Posts: 856
From: California
Registered: May 2004
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posted September 25, 2004 12:37 AM
Jeshua did not have to use anything to heal. He did it to make those he healed have faith in something they could see and feel for themselves.Some only had to be in his presence or touch his garment, others, were nowhere near him when they were healed. He was demonstrating faith by action. It is love ( emotion ) "outside his body" that healed. It was not the mud or the spit.  Gia IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
Moderator Posts: 3749
From: Vancouver USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted September 25, 2004 12:44 AM
I believe Jesus healed using Reiki... only he didn't call it Reiki, and he was very powerful... moreso than most other individuals (for whatever esoteric reasons).IP: Logged |
Meili Zhiwei
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posted September 27, 2004 11:18 PM
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FishKitten
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From: beautiful, hidden mountain village, BC, Canada
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posted September 27, 2004 11:43 PM
Like Meili said...you heal with your heart.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted September 27, 2004 11:46 PM
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seeshells
Knowflake Posts: 62
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posted September 28, 2004 11:15 AM
Greetings Knowflakes, I too believe Jesus healed with his heart and his Faith. Nothing else was needed the rest was for our doubting eyes. SueIP: Logged |
coldiron
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posted September 28, 2004 05:40 PM
Hello iAm That,Do you think the men were literally blind? Or is something else being indicated here? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted September 28, 2004 05:53 PM
Welcome!  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
coldiron
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posted September 28, 2004 07:06 PM
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iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 28, 2004 11:19 PM
Hi Coldiron, Yes the men were literally blind. One was blind from birth and was healed. That was most miraculous.
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juniperb
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posted September 28, 2004 11:27 PM
Iam that,I saw the dichotomy and wished to ask about BEing quote:
literaly blind.
From his physical "eyes" or his Heart was he blind?  ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 29, 2004 01:41 AM
Hi Juni,
Sorry for confusion. One man was physically blind from birth.IP: Logged |
coldiron
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posted September 29, 2004 04:10 AM
Hi Juniperb,"From his physical "eyes" or his Heart was he blind?" Interesting. Like yourself, I am inclined to believe that there are extra layers of spiritual meaning hidden in the Bible. But first we must see past (blindness again) the literal to receive the wisdom contained therein. Consider, also, the Leper healed in Matthew 8:4 and Mark 1:40. The instructions Jesus gives to the healed one are very interesting in this respect(Mark 1:44), don't you think?
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 1090
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 29, 2004 08:11 PM
*snif* *snif* mmmmm. Nothing attracts me quite like a Bible-quoting party.  "See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them" A most interesting passage regarding the leper. Why keep it a secret? These odd little bits that on the surface don't seem to fit must certainly hide secrets. The Good Nazarene was, if nothing else, one helluva storyteller, (in the best sense of the word ofcourse) so I too am inclined to look for those enticing extra layers. All skilled storytellers know how to pack on those layers.  BTW ~ Greetings iAM. I don't believe we have yet spoken, but I have read your posts with interest. IP: Logged |
iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 29, 2004 09:06 PM
Hi Tink, Nice to meet you. Jesus said his sheeps hear his voice cause he is their Sheperd. The bible holds great treasure for all times. Jesus asked the leper to keep a secret because, he didn't want him to broadcast and keep gathering more crowds. Already he was gathering large crowds wherever he went. His message of truth words would stir up demons, nations, families. He wanted to buy time, because he knew he will be crucified one day. He wanted to teach more and more to his disciples before he died.
Also, it was necessay for leper to go to temple so that the priests will have proof and they would reinstate him in religious services.
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 1090
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 29, 2004 09:20 PM
Very pleased to meet you as well Why exactly do you suppose He was eager to avoid crowds? Lots to explore with that one. I can't help but wonder why the leper, after his divine experience, would wish to be reinstated.  His sheep hear His voice because He is their Sheperd.
A comforting thought. And something to aspire to. IP: Logged |
iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 29, 2004 09:28 PM
I think in the olden days, a leper could not enter a temple as he was unclean.
Heh you may read following:
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/mark/mark1.htm Look especially at the footnotes, it explains well.
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iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 29, 2004 11:10 PM
Hi Coldiron, The verses you mention. Do you believe in reincarnation? My church does not think so. I can quote Luke (5-19)(story of paralysed man). Also Luke 13:2, John 5:14 and 9:2 In the old testaments its Exodus 20:5 and Deut 5:9 Also if you read Luke 16:22. I think the authorities took out a line which Abraham tells the Rich man "Stay here till you repay your debts" or something along those lines. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted September 29, 2004 11:32 PM
Tink what a delight to see you!!! I especially love John 5:14 and it`s clarity. One Bible, many translations. For clarity to all, this is the one I resonate with and quote. Lamsa`s Translation from the Aramaic of the Peshitta: John 5 verse 14 : After a while,Jesus found him in the temple,and said to him, behold, you are healed; do not sin again, for something worse might happen to you than at first. No parable there Thank you Iam that for reminding me of Truths. ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 30, 2004 09:46 AM
Thanks Juniper,
I am helping myself by helping mankind.
The truth will soon come out. Hope the church is somewhat blind and will soon see.IP: Logged |
iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 30, 2004 09:55 AM
Heh Juniper,
Since you also ask. Do you also remember why Catholics believe only their church is right because of what Jesus said. "Peter you are the rock, On this I shall build my church and gates of hell will not prevail against it." (not exact but a recollection) The real interpretation is that the strength of the faith, that Peter said Jesus you are the christ spirit, the messiah, is the rock.
Jesus said he will build a church on the stength of that. He blessed Peter 3 times. This to me means that every church that has the same faith, on that strength the gates of hell will not prevail. How can Jesus be biased right. Its important that one realizes Jesus is the Christ spirit (the Savior of the world).
That christ spirit was also in Buddha.
Or for that matter any Major avatars in the world in the past and future is the same spirit.
Consider a lamp. It has oil and it burns with a flame.
The lamp is Jesus, the manifestation. The oil is Christ spirit - the life, the flame is the holy breadth. Now consider other lamps and thats you and me. Its not as bright as this lamp because we are ignorant, we hear the truth yet we don't believe. Hope this explains. Love. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 5536
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posted September 30, 2004 11:15 AM
Iam that, again, for clarification, I do not ask or question the words of the Masters In hopes I may help with the illusion/delusion of Hearts misalignment with "words" may I share this exercise in thought
The Christ when he was being questioned....
They asked him, "are you the messiah?" He responded.... "You say I am"
Four simple words yes? But now look at them as I add emphasis. "YOU say I am" (others may or may not) "you SAY I am" (you say it but you do not Know it...your heart is veiled) "you say I AM" (which is the same as the messiah...God said "I am that I am" ). "you say I am" (why do you not accuse others? emphasis on the "I")
This beautiful thought exercise reminds me of the statement: For those who have eyes, let them see, for those who have ears, let them hear.
Blessings,
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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
coldiron
Knowflake Posts: 54
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posted September 30, 2004 11:37 AM
Hi IAT,"Do you believe in reincarnation? My church does not think so." Something that has not changed since I was a child is my fundamental lack of belief. Trust I have and, from time to time, I may be given to Know something. So, it goes... "The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Luke 20:17,18
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iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 444
From: Edison, NJ, USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 30, 2004 11:37 AM
Great thought Juniper. Also, in my earlier post. Forget about group of people in a church building. Each soul is a church a temple of God. All it needs is that strength of faith in the christ spirit. He would carry us over to the other side in to the world of spirits. Theres a beautiful world on the other side. Time is not a limit nor space. A day there is like 1000 earth years. Tremendous joy awaits us. Keep the faith brother. Pray for me as I do for you.
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