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paras
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posted October 18, 2004 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
Go and look at the rose flower, and don't just repeat parrotlike, "This is beautiful." This may be just opinion, people have told you; from your very childhood you have been hearing, "The rose flower is beautiful, is a great flower." So when you see the rose, you simply repeat like a computer, "This is beautiful." Are you really feeling it? Is it your inner feeling? If not, don't say it.

Looking at the moon, don't say that it is beautiful -- unless it is your inner sense. You will be suprised that ninety-nine percent of the stuff you carry in your mind is all borrowed. And within that ninety-nine percent of stuff, useless rubbish, the one percent of inner sense is lost, is drowned. Drop that knowledgeability. Recover your inner sense.

--Osho, Courage: The Joy of Living Dangerously

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Suzume
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posted October 18, 2004 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Suzume     Edit/Delete Message
I like that paras. Really good.

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sesame
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posted October 19, 2004 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
I couldn't stop laughing when Osho talked about us being prisoners in "Tantric Transformation". He speaks a lot of truth. I heard he was like a cultist though - having many wives etc. I love his name though.

Dean.

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paras
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posted October 19, 2004 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
Osho does speak a lot of truth.

I don't know if I'd call him a "cultist" -- that word has too negative a connotation to me. But he certainly doesn't support the traditional idea of monogamy, that's for sure. It's the only thing in his writings I've found yet that I have difficulty with. Monogamy comes naturally to me. Why is that...? The jury's still out. My reasons for it could be erroneous, in which case I'd have to throw the idea out, BUT as of now I just can't see myself doing it.

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26taurus
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posted October 19, 2004 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Dont believe everything you read or hear. His beliefs are constantly misinterpreted. From all I have read, I never got the message that he did not believe people should not be monogomous. People will read into things their own way I guess. Mind gets in the way. Monogomy is being married to one person at a time. Osho didnt believe in marriage. So......?


A journalist asks: You are still regarded as the guru of free sex in many parts of the world. Is that a misnomer?
It is simply a misnomer; I have never been a guru of sex. On the contrary, I am the only person in the whole world who has been trying to transform people's sexual energy into spiritual energy. I am against repression because repression of sexual energy means there is no chance of spiritual growth.
The people who have been with me have become less and less sexual, and have become more and more spiritual. Those who have been with me longer have lost all interest in sex.
If you want to call me something, I am the guru who is absolutely anti-sex. But you know third-rate journalism which thrives on sensationalism—they created the misnomer.
Strange things they go on saying—and not only saying, but believing. And now it is not only in India that they are saying hard words about me, it is almost all over the world.

"If you really want to know who I am, you will have to be absolutely empty as I am. Then two mirrors will be facing each other, and only emptiness will be mirrored.
Infinite emptiness will be mirrored: two mirrors facing each other. But if you have some idea, then you will see your own idea in me". Osho

Q: If you were to die tomorrow, what would you like the world to remember you most for? What would you like your obituary to be?
Osho: Just a simple man, an innocent man, who was always misunderstood.

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paras
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posted October 19, 2004 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
Although the roots of the word "monogamy" are based upon marital status, the word is no longer used in that way exclusively. Both Webster.com and BrainyDictionary.com (and many other soucres) provide two definitions for the word:

quote:
(n.) Single marriage; marriage with but one person, husband or wife, at the same time; -- opposed to polygamy. Also, one marriage only during life; -- opposed to deuterogamy.
(n.) State of being paired with a single mate.

It is in the second, more modern, and more loose-and-conceptual manner that I used the word.

"Mind gets in the way" -- or so say those who don't care whether things make any sense?

Good thing we have a resident Osho expert to come and correct the constant misinterpretations of us silly Airheads who believe everything we read and hear.

Feel free to read into that in your own way.

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26taurus
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posted October 19, 2004 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

"Good thing we have a resident Osho expert to come and correct the constant misinterpretations of us silly Airheads who believe everything we read and hear."

uh-huh.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to make a comment like that.

You know? I've heard there's an actual Osho commune! I'm seriously thinking of looking into it.

Maybe one of you Airheads can give me a lift there on one of your hot air balloons.

"Mind gets in the way" -- or so say those who don't care whether things make any sense?"

*smirking*
Who's sense? The only one that matters to me is my own.

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paras
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posted October 20, 2004 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
Osho commune? Where is it, here in America? If it is, I think you really should go. I think you'd fit right in.

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26taurus
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posted October 20, 2004 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
No, it's in India. And yes, I'd fit right in. Got enough hot air to take me there? It's the least you could do. Then we might be even.

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sesame
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posted October 20, 2004 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I read that about the container. Each thought should be looked at as an object floating through the container. You are the container. Now you are the mirror.

Ultimately I think this is very boring. I am a Being. I Experience. To be a container is to be one with the all and hence would be as boring as anything really. I mean, I always thought Heaven sounded extremely boring. You just wish for a motor bike and its there. You go for a ride and think "Ice cream" so you ride and lick. I like thinking about the ice cream for a while. I don't know really if I want a bike. Life is about choices and working to get them. Not already having everything, that's just Boring!

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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paras
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posted October 20, 2004 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
26: Even? Well, there you go. Congratulations. In one word you've far outdone anything I could say as far as being a cheeky smart-a$s. You get the golden Mercury tongue trophy. Enjoy.

I think we need to have a private conversation. A few answers to a few questions might move the balance beam a miniscule fraction closer to "even"; but I doubt you see any sense in that -- that is to say, any benefit to yourself -- so I won't hold my breath. In lieu of that, I'll tell you what would be really big of you: leave my strings alone.

And quit fretting and dropping hints. Everything I said stands. Just remember that I don't believe in time. <smirks back>

Sesame: The "Eastern" definition of "enlightenment" -- sitting in the lotus position in a state of no-mind day in and day out (yes, I am over-simplifying to make my point quickly) -- doesn't appeal to me either. I think it's summed up really well in Osho's phrase "absolutely empty as I am". I understand the 'emptiness' he speaks of, I've been there a time or two, and it's a useful and enlightening perspective, but it's not a place I care to be all, or even a majority, of the time. I even understand the desire to exist in that state; it seems desirable to me at times, too. But I think it's a state of being that very, very few people ever really want, or would choose, when it comes down to it.

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26taurus
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posted October 20, 2004 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
*biting 'Mercury tongue' really, really hard*

And umm...there's no fretting going on here.

"..but I doubt you see any sense in that -- that is to say, any benefit to yourself.."
Youre serious? Ha! Funny stuff.

Leave your strings alone?
Done.
(this is the only string I've replied to of yours recently BTW, so dont overreact.)

P.S. I'm not holding my breath either.

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Eleanore
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posted October 20, 2004 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
*deleted by me*

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Eleanore
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posted October 20, 2004 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, I didn't realize we owned strings here. Please excuse me.

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"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

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paras
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posted October 20, 2004 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
<warning: sarcasm ahead>

Wow! What a suprise! I never expected to hear that response! How original!

...

No, we don't "own" them, but we do tend to take more of an active interest in the ones we start ourselves, don't we?

...

And what's it to you anyway? :P

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Eleanore
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posted October 20, 2004 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, um, nevermind ... I guess.

I had only gotten as far as 26taurus' post in regards to the misinterpretations of Osho. My first response was posted right after I read that because s/he had sparked a memory in me that I didn't want to forget.
Afterwards, I returned to finish reading the other posts to see that this thread had degenerated into a private conflict between you, paras, and 26taurus.
You mentioned that this was your thread and I realized I had intruded upon a personal conflict ... so I excused myself.


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I have usually found myself taking greater interest in threads started by others simply because I'm very interested in knowing what interests other people.


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In light of your sarcasm ... I guess you received the response you were expecting to hear, though you certainly misinterpreted my intent.


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To me it was just the idea of sharing something quite interesting to me with those I thought were also interested in sharing. Apparantly I was quite mistaken.

In light of my error, I'll delete the original post as it has no bearing on the topic of this thread any further. I'll make a greater effort to read an entire thread before I post a response in order to avoid this kind of situation in the future.

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"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

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sesame
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posted October 20, 2004 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Aww, Eleanor, sometimes I just want to hug you Feel free to write anything on any thread.

Dean.

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Eleanore
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posted October 22, 2004 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, thanks, Dean. That was sweet.

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"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

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Ra
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posted October 22, 2004 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message

Great string.

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