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Topic: Satanism today
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mercury05
Knowflake Posts: 3
From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted January 28, 2005 05:53 AM
 
hello all, i dont want to frighten anyone but ive been reading up about Satanism and its modern organisations. I guess i was just curious as i am curious about all religions and belief systems in this wonderful world of ours, but could anyone tell me anything else about Satanism today? When i went to some of the sites there wasnt anything stereotypical about them, most of it was pretty standard stuff, nothing about murder, death, kill or fire n brimstone.
I think Satanism today is misunderstood and id like it if someone else here would help me spiral...
thanks much (f)=neek=(f)------------------
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TINK
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From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted January 28, 2005 09:01 AM
Congratulations and welcome, mercury.  You found intellectual Satanism! Adorable, isn't it, how they don't like to get their hands dirty? Just a more romantic version of defiant moral relativism, I think. Personally, I prefer the old-fashioned species - at least they walk the walk.IP: Logged |
proxieme
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From: Southern 'Bama
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted January 28, 2005 09:51 AM
Yeah, I was going to say that - though I'm no expert...at all...er, I think that I heard this on a newsmagazine...- many Satanists today embrace the concept of "Satan" because he is inimical to most of what mainstream culture embraces.
It's by and large an atheistic moral relativism which holds that whatever one has to do to achieve one's ends is justified and that any retribution exacted by the practitioner for hurts inflicted is okiedokie.In the, um, show that I watched the head-honcho guy also explained that sex of a deliberately pornographic, group, and S/M nature is emphasized and incorporated into ritual as it is a manifestation of complete personal freedom (from social norms, I'd imagine). IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted January 28, 2005 10:07 AM
Welcome!  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
TINK
Knowflake Posts: 1426
From: New England
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posted January 28, 2005 10:10 AM
I'm feeling generous this morning so I will go so far as to say that while your average, garden variety moral relativist is looking to escape social norms and consequences, this brand of Satanism takes it one step further. Because they incorporate some element of the spiritual into their philosophy, they tip toe into the realm of Divine Law and Justice. But there are many different types of Christians and just as many types of Satanists. Some Satanists sound more like atheists to me. And some of them, to be honest, are just looking for an good excuse not to do their math homework, if you know what I mean? So then again, maybe I'm being too generous. Probably most of them wouldn't know what to do if Ole' Nick came over for tea and biscuits. I suppose the bottom line is this : Satanism is rebellion. But rebellion against God's Law or man's? IP: Logged |
proxieme
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From: Southern 'Bama
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted January 28, 2005 10:27 AM
I suppose the bottom line is this : Satanism is rebellion. But rebellion against God's Law or man's?Yeah, I guess that's the real question. Would you say that it depends on the strain/person in question?
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 1426
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted January 28, 2005 11:04 AM
yes. the nature and knowledge of the individual.IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 705
From: Brisbane, QLD, Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted January 28, 2005 09:09 PM
I think it's utterly rediculous, but that's just me. My arguments against Satanism:Who do you worship? Why? Hang on, these aren't arguments. I mean, if Satan existed, and wanted people to worship him, then what would he teach? That you should kill and mutilate everyone? And what about the followers? Wouldn't they be killed and mutilated too? I know some people like mutilation, but if these people were studied by shrinks and their lives put under a microscope, I'm sure there'd be some reason why these people feel like they need pain. But then, I'm sure some people have lived normal lives and are satanist - prolly more your intelectual variety, but as I said, what do these guys want? Do they want to know that everyone but them will suffer? Why would Satan spare his followers? By his very nature, he'd be the most unreliable sadomasochistic entity that ever existed, how could yoy trust him to not have fun playing with your internal organs? It's just stupid! I think Satanists are more for the attention that calling themselves Satanists attract thananything else. Sure the'd have their own opinions about this, and so be it, but I just don't understand. Eh. My place isn't so much to wonder why, but to live, and maybe die. Did someone say that? Well, if so, give them the credit, I don't know to whom though, just some poet or something. Shakespeare comes to mind but it seems a little simple. On a side note, one of the best movies I've seen is called "The Ninth Gate" with Johnny Depp which has devil themes, but a great movie. But that's just me,
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 1426
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted January 28, 2005 09:41 PM
Do you mean, "Ours is not to question why, ours is just to do or die"? Tennyson, Charge of the Light Brigade. Damn shame that was.The Ninth Gate was a interesting little movie. IP: Logged |
NeoKitty
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From: Heaven
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted January 29, 2005 02:28 AM
Thanks Dean, You saved me a whole lot of breath- or finger energy rather...Same thoughts exactly!
 That just shows and proves Love is ALL there IS. ------------------
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maklhouf
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posted January 29, 2005 06:08 AM
Sesame: er ... it's not the satanists that are doing the maiming and killing in the world today.
Unless you want to de-personify it and give satan its true meaning, which is simply: the adversary.IP: Logged |
Kat
Knowflake Posts: 304
From: Cleveland, Ohio
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted January 29, 2005 04:25 PM
Long ago I checked out Satanism on www.beliefnet.com just to get a better view of what this belief system is. From my understanding the belief system runs contrary to the metaphysical idea that we are "One" that we are all interconnected. If your familiar with the Course of Miracles, Satanism is basically opposite of this view. Satanism thrives on the concept of Separation. Satanism build up a person to manifest and create their own destiny on their own terms. If you are familiar with many New Thought (Age) concepts of manifestation of being a "God" Satanism holds to those beliefs, but there is no reason to consider your effects on another person - the ends justifies the means. If I understand this view correctly, Satanism basically puts up the middle finger on God - they don't want to be a "puppet" of the creator. Satanism also thrives on confusion, if you ask a Satanist a question that will give you whatever round-about answer so that you end up questioning yourself. They love the hipocracy that many Christians embody and will be the antagonist in bring that out quality if you confront a Satanist about their views. I'm not certain whether this info in correct, this is just the impression that I got from dabbling on the site I mentioned. IP: Logged |
NeoKitty
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From: Heaven
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted January 29, 2005 06:20 PM
maklhouf: I don't believe he implied that at all.
I didn't get an ounce of that leaning at all.Read his post again, slowly this time   ------------------
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maklhouf
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posted January 30, 2005 06:34 AM
Implied what?IP: Logged |
NeoKitty
Knowflake Posts: 595
From: Heaven
Registered: Dec 2004
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posted January 30, 2005 05:21 PM
I thought you assumed Sesame meant that most killing in the world is due to Satanism.When I read sesame's post I thought he meant that what is the point of satanism? What could it possibly teach? ect. ect... I originally had an opinion in my mind- which was very much the same as sesames post- so when I read it I was suprised. I suppose my own thoughts may have given me a different perception of it than you did when you read it. Carry on...
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"And dreams, don't ever forget, are the first step in manifesting wishes into reality"-- Linda Goodman's Star Signs
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sesame
Moderator Posts: 705
From: Brisbane, QLD, Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted January 31, 2005 01:34 AM
Hmm, well first of all, I checked out beliefnet and found this interesting story of a recent exorcism ( http://www.beliefnet.com/story/119/story_11967_1.html ). Whether it is the devil or just an evil spirit (or whether it's true) who knows, but it's interesting.TINK, yes, sounds like the quote. Neo, any time maklhouf, I think I understand what you're saying, but I think it's the people doing the killing, not necessarily the religions, but if Satanism is based on following the devil, then I'd think killing would be endorsed by these followers. Kat, it kinda sounds like you're explaining an atheistic anarchist. I'd think Satanists would have to believe in the bible in order to follow Satan as that's where he came from. Hence, to contradict the bible is to contradict themselves. Also, wouldn't they be a puppet of Satan? Neo, thanks for defending me Not that there was an attack  Walk in Peace,
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Kat
Knowflake Posts: 304
From: Cleveland, Ohio
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted January 31, 2005 07:49 PM
From my understanding they do take an antagonist view of the bible. Satanism is a rebellion of Judeo Christiam view. Most say they are not Humanists and do pay homage to demonic forces. It would be interested to see if they believe in an afterlife. I don't think they believe they are puppets of demonic force since they do thereir own thing and "respect" others for doing their own thing. Maybe we have different views on what Satan is ???IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 705
From: Brisbane, QLD, Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted February 01, 2005 02:10 AM
So maybe they see Satan as an equal, and not so much like a God? That would make sense...Dean. IP: Logged |
Kat
Knowflake Posts: 304
From: Cleveland, Ohio
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted February 02, 2005 07:22 PM
Sounds like a question for a Satanist!IP: Logged |
ScotScorp
Knowflake Posts: 106
From: Saint Louis, Missouri
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted February 02, 2005 08:25 PM
Good point Maklhouf. Angela ------------------
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RAINBOW WARRIOR
Knowflake Posts: 3
From: new zealand
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted February 06, 2005 10:14 PM
kiaora(to your well being),
ANGELS ARE LIKE,THE STARS IN THE SKY
THEY GUIDE YOU TO GOD & HEAVEN
THE BRIGHT PATH OF MICHEAL(CHRIST)etc...
COLOURED LIGHTS OF GABRIEL(MUSLIM)etc...
AND THE DARKENED STREETS OF LUCIFER etc.
AS THE SAYING GOES,THERE ARE MANY ROADS TO
ROME,AND MANY FALSE PROPHETS ALONG THEM.
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Mystic Dreamz
Knowflake Posts: 71
From: New York, New York
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted February 09, 2005 04:46 PM
Satan lives inside negative people.------------------
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Kat
Knowflake Posts: 304
From: Cleveland, Ohio
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted February 12, 2005 11:29 AM
Does anyone here believe that Satan exists?? I think it is more a matter of mass consciousness focused on the ego. It's like that movie with Denzel Washington and someone touches someone and "they're it - the evil one" then they touch someone return to normal and pass it on. I once saw this in action. I went to my car in a shopping center parking lot at some person wedged a shopping cart between my car and the car next to me. (personally I now think it was a boy who watched me very intently from a van that was pulling out of a space.) If I drove my car without moving the cart I would have scrapped my car. So I moved it away to the front of the car next to me and got in my car. I usually walk it to the store, but this time I was upset and figured "screw it".The owner of that car shortly arrived and was livid at me, cursing and I said I was moving it aside because someone wedged it between the cars. He then took the cart shoved it acrossed the aisle to an empty space but unfortunately it hit another car door and put a dent into it. I rolled down my window and said " you just dented that car." and he said he didn't he went to look and screamed "OK lady!" and said something under his breath. I figured it was best to get out of there and I certain he did not put a note on the person's windshield. I could just imagine the owner of the car returning to find a dent in the door. I wonder if the person went home upset and took it out on someone -passing it along, or did he/she come from a place of higher consciousness and end the cycle. IP: Logged |
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