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iAmThat
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From: Edison, NJ, USA
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posted February 11, 2005 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message
Heres a painting I found from Leonardo's contemporary Pietro Perugino (Pietro Vannucci) (1445-1523):
http://www.abcgallery.com/P/perugino/perugino20.html


Whats remarkable about this painting is that the two figures standing on the right are standing in an identical pose. One is John and the other Mary Magdalene.

Wonder what this painter like Da Vinci from his own painting last supper are trying to tell. They both were renaissance painter and concealed a message in their painting to avoid persecution. It is also possible that they knew each other.

Also to add, unlike, Dan Brown the author, I believe the one sitting closest to Jesus is indeed John and not Mary as his fiction works suggests.

The mysterious disciple whom Jesus loved is none other than John and not Mary. And in the last supper Peter is seemingly whispering in to the mysterious persons ears.


What does LL seem to think ? I know that Dean is working on a similar thread and I thought may be this would be fuel for his thought.


It is John, the disciple who lets in Peter thru the gate before on the night of crucifixion and before the rooster crows 3 times. John is already in because he knows the high priests. John and his brother James are supposed to be rich as per my thesis.


Also is it John the first male disciple to go near the tomb when Mary brings the news to the rest of the disciple.

Also Jesus says he wants John to "live" till he comes back in the last chapter of John. Wonder what he meant by that?
I also Wonder who wrote the book of John? Is Mary magdalene the author? And thats why refers to John as the beloved disciple and refrains from naming him? Did they all did this on purpose?

BTW I haven't read Dan Brown's book but only a TV special? If you did please point out to me my errors.

Peace.



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tracysalome
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From: minneapolis minnesota USA
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posted February 11, 2005 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tracysalome     Edit/Delete Message
I also watched the same thing I Am That, and also haven't read the book. I thought it was a fiction book until that special came around. I can't speculate based solely on the t.v. special and I imagine it would probably take years of tedious research in order to prove anything solidly for me - it's such a highly debated matter in general, but that part about the child of mary and christ being the holy grail struck a note in me. What do you think about it. I like hearing what other people have to say on these matters.

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iAmThat
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From: Edison, NJ, USA
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posted February 11, 2005 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,
Thats what struck my chord too. Where is the cup? Why is it missing? Another thing that struck me was, when they say, it would have been quite normal in those days for a Jewish person to be married and people not mentioning about it anywhere. If a person was not married, then people would have talked. Jesus as we all know mysteriously dissapears from the bible from age 13-30. Now are these people really talking or not talking

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tracysalome
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From: minneapolis minnesota USA
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posted February 13, 2005 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tracysalome     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, It's such a complex issue, in my perspective, the bible must hold some truth, I definately think at the minimal christ was meant to come into the world and teach us but also think that the bible as well as every ancient religion is similar to a game of telephone, you have millions and millions of people - all individual with their own thoughts and belief systems passing the storys down through centuries and changing times - you might have got a couple of self righteous people here and there telling things the way "they ought to be". Part of my lifes plan is to read and interpret for myself all of the ancient holy teachings of all cultures and everything that I can find that backs each one up, then I can truly conclude a true proven story behind each. As my goal, I know my subconcious will guide me in the right direction.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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From: north of Boston, MA
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posted February 13, 2005 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Hey IAmThat,

I posted a (belated) response to your question in the "did jesus.." thread, if you're still interested.


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