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Topic: "Free Will"
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 2838
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted February 12, 2005 09:05 PM
 
"If sun and moon should ever doubt
They would immediately go out!"
- William Blake
Believe you have free will,
and you shall have it!
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 2838
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted February 12, 2005 09:55 PM
you sigh that you have lost your freedom of choice-- and your fault is only that you do not grieve deeply enough or you would find it again.-- --Kierkegaard IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1339
From: Oz
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posted February 14, 2005 02:13 AM
How does a bumble bee fly if it is physically impossible? Well, I don't think anyone told it that - I think Linda Goodman (paraphrased).Dean. IP: Logged |
maklhouf
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posted February 14, 2005 06:26 AM
I think we need a prefix like BLG. Linda Goodman said it, but someone else said it, Before Linda Goodman.IP: Logged |
maya-v
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posted February 14, 2005 09:48 AM
This is what I believe:
That I am I.
That my soul is a dark forest.
That my known self will never be more than a little clearing in the forest.
That gods, strange gods, come forth from the forest into the clearing of my known self, and then go back.
That I must have the courage to let them come and go.
That I will never let mankind put anything over me, but that I will try always to recognize and submit to the gods in me and the gods in other men and women.
There is my creed.
D.H. Lawrence
Him that I love, I wish to be free -- even from me.
Anne Morrow Lindbergh (I think she met a Sag) IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 2838
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted February 14, 2005 12:26 PM
Ooo, I love those, especially that last one.
"If I love you, what business is it of yours?"
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maya-v
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posted February 14, 2005 12:37 PM
So true, my scorpionic aqua friend, with a lot of Sage thrown in ... Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking.
It is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails. Have you ever been at sea in a dense fog, when it seemed as if a tangible white darkness shut you in and the great ship, tense and anxious, groped her way toward the shore with plummet and sounding-line, and you waited with beating heart for something to happen? I was like that ship before my education began, only I was without compass or sounding line, and no way of knowing how near the harbor was. "Light! Give me light!" was the wordless cry of my soul, and the light of love shone on me in that very hour. Hellen Keller IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 10413
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posted February 14, 2005 03:02 PM
"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
~ Voltaire "Who dares not speak his free thoughts is a slave."
~ Euripides "Man is free, but not if he doesn't believe it."
~ Giovanni Giacomo Casanova de Seingalt "Man is not fully free unless he is master of himself."
~ Epictetus "All good things are wild, and free."
~ Henry David Thoreau IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 10413
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posted February 14, 2005 07:08 PM
All I can do is be me, whoever that is.A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and gets to bed at night, and in between he does what he wants to do. Chaos is a friend of mine. He not busy being born is busy dying. I have dined with kings, I've been offered wings. And I've never been too impressed. In the dime stores and bus stations, people talk of situations, read books, repeat quotations, draw conclusions on the wall. "... Money doesn't talk it swears,
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony..."
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent.
Well, the future for me is already a thing of the past. Yesterday's just a memory, tomorrow is never what it's supposed to be. You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows. ~Bob Dylan (sorry, went a little nutty and off topic, but I love the guy.  ) IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 10413
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posted February 14, 2005 07:09 PM
"The world is tragic to those who feel and comic to those who think."
~Robert Walpole IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1339
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted February 14, 2005 07:41 PM
maklhouf, I'm not sure if I heard that saying from Linda, or how mnay people have said it, but many quotes are said by many people. Many are anonomous because they are just repeated ad infinitum and there no real source for where they came from. Not to mention the universe is infinite and hence many worlds could already have said our future quotes - before we all lose our mouths and communicate via ESP. My point is that if I hear something from someone, am I supposed to quote that source as the origin of the quote, or should I just state things as I hear them? I understand there's a certain amount of respect for people who say "wise things", but I am trying to fathom how much we have to cite where we heard things, or wehether we should research their origin for that matter. Linda said so much about other people that I never looked into, and just took at face value, because I was learning the message. Not so much memorising the words. I think my point is that quotes are great for expanding your mind, but to say one person was the originitor doesn't exactly make sense. Another argument is that since we are all one, we are all the authors. Not one person is more important than any other, and yet, with our importance of self, we raise and lower people. My point is merely that people say stuff over and over, and in many cases make it difficult to source who originally said it, and that it doesn't matter anyway. It's the message that matters.Heaps of Love,
Dean. ps. I think the quote below is from the Dalai Lama, and I've obtained it from a song from the Mantra Mix CD. Can't remember the song name, or if in fact it is the Dalai Lama saying it, hence, I don't thik I can put his name next to it. I'm curently reading "The Many Ways to Nirvana" which are excerpts from his Holiness, and he does preach compassion a lot, but I think I still can't say it's "his", but I'm also sure he wouldn't care, but that we should "Always think Compassion"... ------------------
Always think compassion...
My numerology program based on "Star Signs" by Linda Goodman
Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!) IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 10413
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posted February 14, 2005 08:02 PM
I agree with that. I've always believed that a quote or any intelligent words put together never truly come from that person. Any kind of genius - art, music, wisdom always comes from another - higher - source. Every thought that has been or ever will be was already thought by someone else before you, you just may have tapped into it even never having heard of it before. When you dont believe in time this makes more sense. Every thought is already alive, you may have given it another birth in another form, but it was already there.Personally when I come out with a beautiful painting that I am proud of, I am actually more thankful that I merely tapped into something and happened to be a channel for it. I didnt do it, it did me. No one can claim to own words or thoughts. I think they come partly from that person's gained knowledge, which can spark it, but ultimeately they all come from Universal Mind. IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1339
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted February 15, 2005 12:48 AM
Yeah! You know, I was thinking of maths recently too. Like, all mathematical formulas are truly universal, but the "discoverer" is still amazing because they help humanity, but it is just a discovery - not a creation. English is a little different in that they are written by our souls so to speak, and could be slightly different from person to person, but still, in infintity, everything is not only possible, but pretty probable. There you go, a Deano quote  Very well said though 26  Dean. IP: Logged |
delerious
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posted February 15, 2005 01:59 AM
26, I so understand what you're saying... quote:
Personally when I come out with a beautiful painting that I am proud of, I am actually more thankful that I merely tapped into something and happened to be a channel for it. I didnt do it, it did me.
When I do something really nice, I look at it later and can't believe I did it!! People compliment, say how talented I am, but in my heart I don't accept the praise, not out of false humility, just that I know I was only a channel and my only gift is the ability to tap into it......  IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 10413
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posted February 15, 2005 02:40 PM
Hey cool guys! Yeah, I really do think that All is known and we can access it if we know how. And even when we dont know how, it still happens sometimes. Epiphanies. I dont think (for the most part) that we are the originators of anything. But through our use of free will we are our own little "creators".Like you said Dean "a discovery - not a creation". Yes, English is differnt. But at the same time I think there is really only one universal language that we all speak. Just different variations. And yes, like you said in your other post, "before we all lose our mouths and communicate via ESP" we will have different languages. I do think we will communicate via ESP someday. In a way we already do. But nothing compared to how we can or will. "Everything is not only possible, but pretty probable." ~ Dean
I like that. Delerious! A fellow artist!
Yes, that's how it feels doesnt it? You kind of amaze yourself and say "Did I really do that?" And you feel that it came from somewhere else and kind of created itself. Cool. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 2838
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted February 15, 2005 06:02 PM
Yes, I always felt that Who we quote is insignificant compared to WHAT we quote.
Of course, I've also always been a hypocrite, so, allow me to quote a less than worthy poem, as it came from my own hand:
Plagiarizing God (or The Gift)
Have I less Cause to sign my Name
Upon Walt Whitman's 'Leaves';
Might not He bear an equal Shame
Who Heaven's Gift receives? -
The Poet's Gift belongs
To He from Whom it came,
Though even God forgives
The Man who favors Fame. - But, do not think the Innocent
Has nothing for Himself to Blame,
Nor that, without his Talent,
He's nothing left to claim; - His Lord preserves a greater Ease
For who unto his Father lives;
His Gift is not what he receives; -
It's simply what he gives! IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 10413
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posted February 15, 2005 09:22 PM
Hey Heart ,"I've also always been a hypocrite.." LOL Who isnt? *clapping loudly* I loved your poem. Fab! IP: Logged |
SunChild
Moderator Posts: 3346
From: Australia
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posted September 02, 2006 09:04 AM
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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 2838
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted September 02, 2006 09:50 AM
"To become properly acquainted with a truth,
we must first have disbelieved it,
and disputed against it."- Novalis
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