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sVirgo
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posted February 15, 2005 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know how to deal with this.
I am facing this type of person in my life again and again. Somebody told me that God wants you to overcome this type of situation and clear this class. But I always fail.
I got one person at my work that he speaks just plain lies and he will flatter which is again lie. He will keep bothering me, as he speak simply lies and want to keep me working under him. Even our HR knows it and even his habbits too.
But my problem is whenever he talks to me or tries to put me down, my body starts trembling, turns hot and my face color gets changed. Why? I don't like it. I want to be calm and patient.
How can I deal this? any advice

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monad
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posted February 16, 2005 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for monad     Edit/Delete Message
My advice...Hmmmmm, I'm glad you asked.

Mock him subtly.


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sVirgo
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posted February 16, 2005 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
This thing already happened few months ago that I almost collapsed and could not even attend office next day.
But I think he still don't understand and I don't want to fight and I am just interested in my work only.
But when my body shake/trembles, I start stammering, I feel weakness on my own part that why can't I handle such person. Today I am just doing a job and tomorrow if I have some kind of business and I might have to deal with different people. Then how am I going to handle then.

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posted February 17, 2005 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
I know one day you will overcome this.. as you have the right attitude going into it.. you want to overcome. You can't change how people are. But you can control how you let them affect you. It takes tolerance and patience, but one day it will happen, and from then on... it will be different.
I can't tell you what to say other than spiritually protect yourself... the fact that you let someone's nasty 'aura' or the way you feel about this person alter your peace tells me you are very sensitive to others.. empathic.. With empathy comes responsibility to yourself to only accept what you can tolerate..... Now that you know the limits of this ( and it concerns me that you let him get to you do much that you couldn't function the next day....)you can work from there.
To react to someone is natural in every relationship dynamic....
You look everyone in the eyes, you present yourself to them, they do the same.. break down the interaction into something you can understand. Psychoanalize yourself and the way you react to him... what makes you tremble.. extreme anxiety? Is it him, or your feeling about him? Can you see him objectively? Almost with a pity/sympathetic nature? After all, he isn't as evolved as you are.. maybe you can teach him something?
Just throwing things out there.....
It sounds like a hard thing.

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sVirgo
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posted February 17, 2005 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
I got another problem that I don't look directly into man's eyes. Whenever I am in meeting or if in talk, I can see them for few minutes, then I keep my eyes down if they are looking straight in my eyes. It may be shyness I have adopted which I know is not right.
I think trembling may be due to extreme anxiety.
What can I teach him as he is so much behind me that I think I am in hit list. I am not the person who says I hate my day and now-a-days I say I hate my day with tears.
I did not want to mention it but actually he tried for me for something else but I am not that type and just came home like I don't understand anything. I don't know this started happening after that incident only. When I am alone, he will say look you smell good and I like you etc or may be this is just an ordinary talk.
I really have no idea that now he just want to find a reason to fire me.
I can not smile in front of him. The moment he comes near me I am like full of anger.
I feel bad to talk to HR everyday.
I can just pray to God to be near me and help me. I love my work and job and don't want to quit.

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tracysalome
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posted February 18, 2005 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tracysalome     Edit/Delete Message
I feel so bad for you it almost makes me want to cry. Virgos are very sensitive to critcism. If this is sexual harassment and it is causing you this much discomfort, and you are speaking with your upper bosses about it without anything being done, I would go to whoever is above them, go all the way to the biggest boss if you have to. You definately shouldn't have to put up with those kinds of feelings because you're more fit for the job or because you wont submit to his/her perverted urges. I hope you will succeed in this situation. I will be hoping for you.

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Archer
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posted February 18, 2005 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Archer     Edit/Delete Message
adrenalin rush?? no! if that were to be the case sVirgo would charge her self to take action. actually he/she is paranoid.
refer to some self help books. dale carnagie has one on dealing with difficult people.

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sVirgo
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posted February 18, 2005 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
I could not understand much about paranoid word.
But the lines he used earlier were like this that Am I sleeping with somebody. If not, then I should sleep with somebody. If I don't then it might be unhealthy for me. If I choose somebody out of office, I might get aid and therefore I should pick somebody from office and then he told me that he wants to feel the smoothness of my bed. I know and understand all these talks.
The only problem I try not to put somebody down.
But today in the morning I took charge after reading all your replies and supporting words(I really feel like I share my feelings with my close friends) and told my HR that I hate my day and I am not that type of person. I respect others and same way I respect myself too. So I want to work in peace of mind but still I did not disclosed rest.
I like Linda's word if I remember correctly that Every action has reaction so I want to stop chain.

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ruman
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posted February 19, 2005 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ruman     Edit/Delete Message
I do not have much to comment on how to tackle your problem. But I do feel very sad for you. Here is what I usually do when I am in a bad situation. WWHW?

1. WHAT? Write down the problem. And analyse it.

2. WHY? Why it begin in the first place? Am I responsible for it?

3. HOW? How canI deal with it? What can I do to improve the present situation? What are all the possible ways of doing it?

4. WHEN? (THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE) When am I going to implement what I have just thought upon? The answer I get from mys-elf is often- NOW. Act upon the situation as soon as possible. Do not delay.

This WWHW has helped me in a lot of difficult time. I hope it is of some help to you also.

R

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posted February 19, 2005 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dogstar     Edit/Delete Message
scorpio girl advice take it or leave it. you need to tell him to shove off. put white light around you for protection.

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sVirgo
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posted February 20, 2005 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I will put white light around me.

Ruman, I will do your WWHW too. As I remember I read somewhere that don't waste too much energy on such things just anaylse and let it go.
I wanted too, even my HR changed my boss too last to last week. But stil he is not ready to relive me from under him and he will keep reporting bad mouth for me. My HR too got fed up that why don't he leaves you if you are so bad. I want to work but everyday morning he will start calling me and start giving me work. If I refuse that I work for somebody else, he will start creating scene that I refuse work and this work is so important that I am trying to give loss to Company. Neither he let me work for my present boss nor he even let me finish what he gives me. I am tired of his lies.

One more advise, that may be very bad about myself as I have never done such thing.
When I came from India I brought laughing Buddha for my office people. As I gave to other people, I gave it to him too even though part of my mind was saying No, and part was saying let me finish this endless fight with Buddha. As he is speaking too many lies, can I ask for my gift back. May be I have turned too bad. Please advise.

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sue g
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posted February 21, 2005 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
The white light is a great idea and it works. A candle spell would be helpful too - just choose one for healing and as its burning ask the universe to free you of him. You could try walking away when he is speaking to you or even answering in a very LOUD voice, that will probably intimidate him........do you know his star sign? I worked for an Aries woman once who scared the **** out of me, I ended up leaving in the end, but if it was now I would challenge her and say to her that I found her behaviour unacceptable. Good luck xxx

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thirteen
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posted February 21, 2005 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
As i read all the posts I have a strong feeling that you need to say to him directly without showing emotion "Leave me alone". This is your souls test. To be brave enough to speak to him that you will not be treated this way. I had a boss who kept sending me jokes in the email with pictures of naked women. He could be fired for this. I deciced to tell him directly that I didn't want these jokes. He kept trying. ( they never quit after the first time so you must be strong and keep sayin no.) I kept saying that he should not send me those kind of jokes. I held my position and he stopped. I had to do it because i used to be afraid of someone I thought had power over me. He was a manager so I was showing respect for that positon. He is a manager but it was not the manager in him that kept sending me dirty jokes. It was the small afraid person who wanted some kind of power over me. I had to deal with that person. He is still here and has been demoted several times. I still treat him with respect but he now knows that there is a line with me he can't cross.

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sVirgo
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posted February 23, 2005 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
I think it's better now. I do that white aura thing. He is bit away now-a-days. I hope it will remain the same.

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Kat
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posted February 25, 2005 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Go to the library or bookstore and check out books on assertiveness training. Books by Sam Horn are very good. Basically, I see this situation in which you are unskilled in dealing with the dynamics of what's going on and your co-worker knows it and how to push your buttons. Your showing fear means that he has "won." Don't focus on the unskilled behavior of this individual, instead focus on how you can improve this situation and what you really want out of life and your career. Imagine someone who is verbally skilled dealing with this person, what would she do? Remember this will take change on your part and you have the difficult job in getting this person on board with the change that your want.

You mentioned that he lies to keep you working under him. Is he your boss or just a co-worker?It's difficult working with someone who is insecure about their position and security with this employer. It's my experience that they will do anything to make themselves shine and will feel threatened by anyone or anything that rocks their security boat. yes this "person" will appear in different bodies AT ALL THE JOBS YOU HAVE THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE. It's not just a lesson for only you to learn; we all deal with this. The only way to deal with it is to strengthen yourself. I'm 41 and I still have to deal with this. The ego is always present.

Can you give us some specific example of a particular incident - I'm pretty good at telling different ways of handling an incident. What do you think would happen if when he belittled you again, you said "Are you trying to knock me down again?" I've noticed that on frequent occasions your comments to me tend to be negative."When you do this I feel ____" Then state a possibility for the future. (important to tell how you want things to change that would benefit both of you. If you don't do this then you are simply belittling him and cutting off communication and massive trouble will result.) I wish that when we'd speak that we spoke of more productive and optomistic topics. Maybe you can tell me about ...Can you see that as being something that can be achieved?"
Remember you are in control if you get the skills and confident to do so. Showing your afaid, analyzing,complaining to others, all would not benefit you. Life skills of assertiveness and positive communication would be a tremendous benefit. Actually, they are spiritually beneficial as well. Just come from a place of love in which you are lovingly telling him how this is affecting you and how you percieve the future to be with both of you.

Good Luck

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sVirgo
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posted February 25, 2005 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Kat this is exactly what I am thinking.

That I lack in dealing with the dynamics of what's going on. I need to improve.

Whatever I talked about is my boss and he got one group of his own nationality. They are not from America. They speak their native language in office which I don't understand. They feel comfortable in their own group and working with themselves so they can keep management in control and like a threat to organization too. Though I have respect for their knowledge but the way they treat me is no more like a stray dog. I think they might want to appoint another person of their own nationality.

You know you picked up everything what is going in my heart. I talked yesterday too to my VP and he told me just hang on everything will be allright. Again I complained it and I hate myself for it.

few examples
like when we get our work. If I am very good in one thing(I am a software Engineer), he won't give me anything related to it, he will assign me something like test, hardware related(which is totally not my area). Then if I say I don't know then he will start saying that I refuse for work.
Now if I get some work that also after lot of struggle and he will come to me and would ask me estimate that how much time I would take like I said 4-6 weeks. And he would say in front of me that okay take your time, no hurry.
Then after 2-3 days, I will get email which is already cc to VP and other directors too that I am delaying this project and he asked me to finish in 1 week which is impossible.
Now even if I work morning 8am till 9pm, it's impossible. Then everyday in the morning he would be standing in my office and saying that take your time and emails I would be receiving are totally contrary to his statements.
Okay I finished it what he asked in 1 week(that means my estimate was wrong) though I worked from 8am till 9pm and weekends too(without paid for it) and he will get credit that he got it done. But the moment I reach to end, he will put one of his person into my work. Though that person will not even approach me for any help, nothing, but his name will come as prominent like he did it. But when I will say that he did not, then they will say you were busy in your office and can not even stand from seat to approach him for consultation. When I go and talk to them, they behave like they will eat me raw. So I keep doing my work in my office silently.

Now, he will say, no I was thinking that you are doing this way. So this is not what he was expecting.
Oh my God, they don't leave me from any corner. I feel like either he is behaving like my step mom or mother-in-law. Just keep on finding faults.

He has made my life miserable.
I am thinking to look for another job, is this the alternative to get out of this situation.

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posted February 28, 2005 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
KAT, Talk about synchronicities SP?? Today I read your post. You just answered a question for me ( work related) that has been on my mind for weeks now. It won't make sense to explain, I just wanted to thank you. I think Im going to get that book too. Its so true. We all have to deal with this kind of thing at work or whereever.

Oh to Svirgo: What you wrote immediately made me think you can confirm your conversations in writing. For example when you are asked for a time frame to complete something put your answer in writing. That way he can't come back on you later and try to make you look bad. Keep copies. But I would also say this. If you do this you will have to put all communication in writing. It will take more time but may be worth it in the end.

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sVirgo
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posted February 28, 2005 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, this is what my other friends suggested. But I haven't yet started to keep any record.

But yesterday I felt like if I keep on thinking bad about it, I might be making my heart dirty. Is this my cowardness or is this the right attitude. I have no idea but at least I kept myself light.

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Kat
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posted March 02, 2005 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad my response helped a few people. Most of this I learned by getting knocked around plenty of times and I'm still learning to be more assertive and true to myself. Think about it - if you were truly loving to yourself as much as you were generous to everybody else, your life would be transformed. I have the same problem with doing too much overtime and now at 41 my health is taking a toll and I need to heal before it progresses any further. I've decided that I will leave at 5pm everyday like I'm supposed to. I started doing fun personal activities during my lunch hour rather that working the entire time. It is up to us to set personal boundaries and hope that our employers will value the excellence of our work rather than our workaholism. I would suggest also the books --Don't sweat the small stuff at Work--- Boundaries-- and the Four Agreements. I took an assertiveness workshop though a hospital's education program - many hospitals offer these programs.I know that's lots of reading, but the time you spend learning this stuff will save plenty of headaches. Learning to be loving to ourselves can take an entire lifetime (or lifetimes)If we focus on improving ourselves rather than seeing yourself as being victimized by other people, we tend to come up with creative solutions to our issues.

Reading your story, it seems that perhaps you did choose the appropriate amount of time to complete the project --if you didn't do the massive overtime. Maybe next time you could write down the time itemized (formally)and present this paper to this individual. Approach him pleasantly and mention that you fully looked over realistically how much time it would take to complete this project and your concerned that it may take additional time to finish. Be prepared with solutions to the issue (very important) Perhaps you could delegate parts of the work to other individuals? Get an extention of time. Find out the minimum which is required by that time. and so on... If this person does not respond to you in a positive manner which is working with you to get this job done, then he is not work your precious time. Start looking elsewhere, but don't quit.It's easier to find a job while your still employed.
Keep in mind that you were the one that agreed to work weekends and long hours, now it is expected of you and it will be tough to break this cycle. With gaining skills it will be easier for you to start doing. (I'll be trying to make this change the same as you, Fortunately I love my bosses.)I come to realize I need to start improving my personal life and maybe I won't focus on filling this void with overwork.

I am concerned that you are not doing what you were trained to do. Again you agreed to do this whether you realize it or not. Who could you productively express this need to?

Is there any challenge - new learning to your job (other than the people)?

I once had a superior that gave me all the boring work and would save the good stuff for himself. Another person would only give me partial information and would train me as if I was less knowledgeable. In both cases, I have learned that they have acted on their personal insecuries to keep themselves in a superior position of me. If I was allowed information that would lead to higher learning or more creative projects, I would have outshined them and if layoff time would come around I would be less dispensable than they would. So keep in mind most people act from ego, keeping themselves superior and indispensible. Allowing you to rise might also mean an increase in pay which they might not want to give you. I have learned to have empathy for these people. They lack true confidence and are threatened if they seem less than what they are trying to portray.

Go ahead and try new skills as you learn them. If they are not receptive, ask yourself if you could have improved on the approach and try again some other time. I'm not sure of your age or how long you have been at your job, but an eventual change may be needed if you are to grow. I would try being more assertive before you go elsewhere because you will need to start at square one at the new place. I would start getting a resume together anyway. Sometimes reflecting on our skill leads to improved self-esteem which is needed to be assertive.

Good luck

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sVirgo
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posted March 02, 2005 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Kat!!
It is really great, that you pick up exactly what's going on this is what he is trying to give me boring and the stuff without enough information and coordination and trying to outshine himself. He will not give me anything in which I got mastery.
But I have started a new thing, I am sending my progress report to everybody in the office instead of just him and with the days estimation.
I have started looking for another job too.

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Kat
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posted March 03, 2005 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Remember that finding a new job may or may not be the answer. Sometimes we can make changes and get other people to be inspired and join our ambitions. I would suggest trying to be assertive and gaining more skills. I think this would greatly benefit you personally and professionally.

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sVirgo
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posted March 03, 2005 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message
First of all, Kat let me say that I am also 40yrs old but still I think I haven't learnt any maturity yet. I am divorced and Mom of one son.
Yes, I will try to be assertive.
But something happened today, my HR told this guy not to bother me. But today she gave that boss, last warning that after this if he will bother me anymore, the issue is going to corporate.
Offcourse I said to my HR that I am sitting in America not in his country. I can not be among his beloved community. He should learn how to treat other people.
Now I think I also have to be more cautious. Is that so. Even I am no more be reporting him but still I have to work with his guys.


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posted March 05, 2005 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes when we have another person to take care of - a child etc. Taking care of our spiritual growth is put on the back burner. I have been attending spiritual groups since my early thirties and most of the women (men generally don't show) tend to be over 40 and usually in their 50s. I think your on time with expanding yourself spiritually, you already know things about life that people without children have yet to learn. We all learn according to divine plan.
View these changes at work as positive with opportunity and try not to focus on his ethnic group rather how you can overcome unskilled behavior by using your own positive skilled behavior.

Best of luck
keep me informed as to how things progress.

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