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ruman
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posted February 17, 2005 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ruman     Edit/Delete Message
I need immediate help on how to do an OBE and also know that what I am doing is right and the right way of going about it. I am ready for all kinds of opinions from every experienced person here

I always start with a little prayer asking my Higher S-Elf to guide me and protect me from all negativity (negative spirits, energies etc.) and build a sacred white light around me. I start with imagining that the white light surrounding me starts to increase and grows so much and it engulfs me totally. I start relaxing and letting go of mys-elf. I feel the energies flowing through me and I open all my chakras. I start seeing colours and then pinkish purple (maybe violet, not sure) starts to immerge and dominate all other colours . my heart starts to beat very-very fast. An itching starts all over my body especially on my upperlip and my hands.Then my hands turn cold and my heart beats even more quickly. Sensation is there all over me and I begin to feel as if I am being PULLED out of my body. I try to keep calm all the time but I cant do it at this particular moment. And I just stop the procedure. I close my chakras and again say a small prayer and come out of the meditation.

What I most particularly want to know is that is it safe to continue and let myself go with the feelings or am I doing the right thing to stop because I feel unsure what might come after it. I am not even sure to tell you exactly that I stop the “thing” consciously or not. I do not have a GURU so I am turning to you for help. I should include here that when I was 14 yrs old I had a really bad experience with a spirit. I will give the whole story if needed and I wonder whether it is because of that experience that I feel scared to continue.

One more query that I have is whether meditation and astral travel can be practiced when one is not feeling well- like having a cold or fever.

PLEASE HELP AS THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

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monad
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posted February 17, 2005 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for monad     Edit/Delete Message
The rules for astral travel are basically the same for as that on earth.
Be nice, etc.
You wont get lost in outer space if thats what your wondering, although legend has it that hendrix did just that.
If you know then you aint wrong.
Go wherever you feel like.
To overcome anxiety, relax...

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Everlong
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posted February 17, 2005 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Everlong     Edit/Delete Message
Jimi Hendrix? Wow O_O.

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delerious
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posted February 18, 2005 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
I really don't know much about OBE's but all these symptoms you mention it seems to me your body is trying to tell you something, its so uncomfortable that you have to stop.

Seems to me that it should be a good-feeling thing, and that you really are right to be looking for advice, someone to guide you. (whether its just fear of letting go or something more may take time to ponder) Your higher-self for whatever reason just isn't ready yet... something's not in the right balance......

You're very close though, and I'm sure it will happen soon as it's meant to....

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ruman
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posted February 19, 2005 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ruman     Edit/Delete Message
I think I was not able to make myself clear. I want to know two important things-

1. The feelings that I have, like the heart beating very fast and the itching all over my body, all these are the natural or normal feelings that come with astral projection or I am doing it the wrong way?

2. Is it safe to practise astral travel when a person is not feeling well?

A reply is still awaited.

R

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ruman
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posted February 19, 2005 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ruman     Edit/Delete Message
I also had the same kind of feeling, Delerious and thats why I requested help here on LL.

R

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26taurus
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posted February 19, 2005 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
My advice is not to push yourself into things that you may not be ready for. I cant stress that enough.

I had a dear friend, a very wise older man, tell me years ago that I was jumping ahead too quickly (and I was). In my case trying to open my brow (third eye) chakra when my root chakra was still blocked. It can be dangerous and damaging. You can open yourself up to things you arent ready for.

Dont be so eager to get out of body. Read up on it as much as you can. Prepare yourself before you go "out there". When your "whole self" is ready it will happen properly.

Have you looked into the subject of awakening Kundalini? Do some google searches.

When protecting yourself before you go out of body also ask that you only go as far as your current self is capable of safely going. Dont force things.

Unfortunately I cant tell you how to go out of body because I do it without trying and have been since I can remember. I dont know how it happens, it just does.

Best of luck.

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Ra
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posted February 19, 2005 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Ruman, do not worry.

My perspective is a bit different than 26T's ... I will agree that being cautious and taking your time is important, but there inevitably come times when one must confront certain obstacles, fears, unknowns. From what you said in the first post, it looks like this could be one of those times. It seems to me that you have already attained a certain level of proficiency, I mean, you go through all the "right" steps and bring yourself to a certain level of awareness/consciousness as a matter of course. This is good.

It all leads to exactly the thing you are facing. The physical sensations you experience are not abnormal. In fact, you will eventually find that you can change them by simply thinking about it. The unknown is scary, and in your case it is possible that your childhood experience is serving as a subconscious barrier which feeds fear into this present unknown. What I am saying is that the fear is in your mind, and in reality there needn't be any. I know that there are many who disagree with me on this, but my opinion is that when you project, your entire experience is controlled by your own mind. You make it as you project it. Perhaps therein lies the danger. We humans are capable of projecting some pretty scary stuff.

Did I make any sense?

As for projecting when ill, I would kind of go with my intuition on that one ... but I can't see where you could go wrong with meditation.

Hope this helps. My only real advice would be to read, read a lot about other people's experiences with astral travel. That will help.

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Ra
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posted February 19, 2005 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
... and don't forget to have fun with it!

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26taurus
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posted February 19, 2005 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
"but there inevitably come times when one must confront certain obstacles, fears, unknowns"

"What I am saying is that the fear is in your mind, and in reality there needn't be any."

I agree. Very good advice Ra. I think my advice my have come across the wrong way.

My advice is to listen to Ra before you listen to me ruman. lol

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ruman
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posted February 20, 2005 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ruman     Edit/Delete Message
To tell you the truth I am not even trying conciously for an OBE.As a matter of fact I do a little meditation after my prayer daily and it was during this time only that these things started to happen. I just had a feeling that this could be a part of astral travel and I read all that I could find on the subject. But nothing seemed to be related to what I was going through . So I thought of taking advice from experiencd people on LL.

Dear Ra your words are most comforting and do encourage me a lot . I am going to try to take control of my fear and once i overcome it I am defintely going to have some fun too!

I have not read anthing on Kudalini but I will do so now.And speaking of "other peoples experience with astral travel", let's hear your's Ra!
R

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Ra
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posted February 21, 2005 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
26T, I don't want to be taken the wrong way either. Your advice is sound, and mine is no better, just another viewpoint for Ruman to consider. I can only say that Ruman should do what Ruman feels ready for.

That's all.

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ruman
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posted February 22, 2005 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ruman     Edit/Delete Message
These days I am feeling a less anxiety and more clamness within.During my meditations as soon as my heart starts racing I tell it to clam down and relax and it certainly does make me feel better.This morning it was much different, my heart kept its normal speed and I felt very light.At one time I felt as if my legs and hands were not there. I heard a strong buzzing sound in my head. And for a brief moment I felt lifted up out of my body maybe for 4-6 inches I didnt open my eyes to see if I was really out of my body-just a feeling though! I didnt try to rise much further but let things happen on their own.But once back I was kind of paralysed and couldnt move for some time But it didnt bother me much as I have read that its part of OBE.And that the mind is awake but not the body and thats why it happens.

26T and Ra you both are responsible and (I take it) enlightened people and I have considered both the advices seriously. Though my heart goes more with Ra's but 26T you are also right in telling me not go ahead of me and I am definetely looking up the subject of Kundalini awakening.

R

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qudsielf
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posted February 22, 2005 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for qudsielf     Edit/Delete Message
hi i *thought* i posted a reply to this.. did anyone get it? *lost*

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"faith manages"

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Ra
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posted February 23, 2005 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not nearly 'enlightened', but I'm glad that we were able to help.

Have fun!

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ruman
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posted February 24, 2005 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ruman     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome to Lindaland Qudsielf! Your reply really did get lost. Can you post it again. I would like to read what you have to say.

Ra dont be so modest.I can kinda sense you are more than 'nearly' enlightened. Whatever you say I love all of you here.
R

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted February 26, 2005 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christinaeavynwarner     Edit/Delete Message
what kind of...experience did you have?

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