posted March 27, 2005 08:16 PM         

I have read time and time again, that it is the physical action of cause and effect to purify the soul on it's journey home. This is wrong.

Karma is not properly understood by the majority of mystics and seers. Originally, by the ancients, it was taught differently.

Your Soul, like the God from which it came Is already Perfect. So the concept of becoming something else through stages of reincarnation has no meaning. It is impossible to become that which you already are, unless you happen to believe that God is somehow imperfect.

Ego, or self interest if we are to put it politely, has nothing to do with your Soul but simply reafirms your separated status.

It is nothing more than a self inflicted illusion. To believe in the pay as you go system, further affirms your detachment from your true nature.

This is what Christ came to do. Your Karma
has already been paid. Reincarnation is an aspect of realisation and not purification. It's not one and same.

I don't expect you all to have the same opinion of course. I just wanted to share. I don't often write on these subjects too much. I was instructed to do so tonight, so I did!

Gia

posted March 28, 2005 05:29 AM         

I totally enjoyed reading your post! And all your lovely thoughts!

"To say that there is no need for you to make conscious choices about your energy output because you are already a perfect spiritual being and all you need to do is reach that awareness to realize it (ie, make it your reality) throws any sense of balance out the window"

That hit close to home!

posted March 28, 2005 12:54 PM         

He LIVED to reconnect us with all that we are. He did that by example, telling us all the way that what he could do, we could do also. He came to show us our real Selves, our Spiritual destiny, and what is probably most telling of all, the nature of our External Reality and he did it most perfectly I may add.

Throughout the Bible, there are amazing mind blowing snippets of information that can be decoded for those that have eyes to see. Often the Spirit (Soul) is freed from the closed cycle of reincarnation through intutition and instictive emotions. That is what allows realisation to take place.

It's a leap beyond the illusion of time and space. That is true immortality, biolocation etc. Without this leap, no matter how you eat, or what you eat, it is physcially impossible to achieve. We are trapped in a world of illusion and to be freed,we must KNOW what it is and also learn to manipulate it.

Nomal understanding of Karma is built on error, it is thought that through lives of purification we earn remission for good conduct. That in itself leads to a segragation of God and Man. An apartheid which if I am correct means not only a geographical separateness, but also a spiritual one too.

There is no time as we understand time. We do live our lives in a linear way, that of course is true. However, if the past, present and future are already happening in the eternal now, what does that do to your supposed understanding of Karma? If your perception of time (lives) could be altered to embrace the concept of simutaneity, you would then realise what? Your karma has already been paid. Time is not a straight line from start to finish, nor is it a circle of twelve. The the zodiac is more internal to us. It never ends. It is infinite. Your soul is not bound by temporal dimensions it can travel right through them, around them and in them.

People can view both the past and the future why? How is it helpful to read mans spiritual bank account? Good old Edgar!

There are so many clues in the Bible and so many truths although purposefully obscured. That is true of all scriptures. The truth can never be totally hidden for those that have eyes to see. You have to understand that for eons there are those that wish to wrap you in guilt and confusuion, to obscure your divine nature, for you are better manipulated that way. It is true of women in scripture. It is a gulit trap for many women. There was no apple people, only the knowledge of your divine heritage. Understand this knowledge and you'll understand the why. It is the ultimate reality as opposed to the external reality. " Knock and it shall be opened" but you have to be able to step outside your box to find that door.

We are all predestined to acquire this knowledge. On that note, it some somewhat fruitless to think we can escape who we are. We are all of divine nature. It's just a matter of time for us all. Time is nothing more than space between events, most of which are predestined. YES! mind boggling and even disturbing to some I know. There have been many authenticated cases of specefic predictions you know. How is that possible? We do have some choices and yes, they too are predestined. So in many ways it follows our Karma is also predestined.

The idea of perfecting ourselves is a notion that is also preordained. It is fixed with our physicality which often traps us into acting out in the same old plays. We know we have a way out, but we have somehow misplaced the key. So the world is stage and we each have to play our parts. Again and again.

Gia

posted March 29, 2005 10:23 PM         

"The north is to south what the clock is to time.
There’s east and there’s west and there everywhere life.
I know that I was born and I know that I’ll die.
The in between is mine. I am mine."

But I mean, I agree with most theories on Karma. It is a tool, and yet a law, and yet a fluid series of events where I believe it is completely impossible to foretell where any action will lead. The actions of one life might affect many lives later, but none in between. Or previous lives. And yet karma is now. The instantaneous flow from past through to present, and projecting into the future. What we choose, we attract. Based on the choices, we gain our destinies. But everything is fluid. As for Jesus, he in many ways marked the dawning of the age of Pisces. The bible and many diverse religions over the last two thousand years was testamount to Pisces - "I Believe". Now we are "I Know" (I think (I'm a gemini (not just because I think, but I can't remember the Aquarians I thing))). Aquarians are also into electricity, hence we've had a MASSIVE IT revolution in PCs, the Internet and digital communication/media etc. My point is that religion seems to be fading into individual spirituality mixed with technology. What else would you expect of Aquarians? But belief is waning and individual understanding is increasing.

Here's the whole song in full (it always reminds me of Aries but I think also shows the increasing awareness of humans):

"I Am Mine

The selfish they’re all standing in line...
Faith in their hope and to buy themselves time.
Me, I figure as each breath goes by,
I only own my mind.

The north is to south what the clock is to time.
There’s east and there’s west and there everywhere life.
I know that I was born and I know that I’ll die.
The in between is mine. I am mine.

And the feeling it gets left behind...
Oh the innocence broken with time...
We’re different behind the eyes, there’s no need to hide.
We’re safe tonight.

The ocean is full cause everyone’s crying,
The full moon is looking for friends at high tide.
The sorrow grows bigger when the sorrows denied.
I only know my mind. I am mine.

And the feeling it gets left behind...
Oh the innocence broken with time.
We’re different between the lines, there’s no need to hide...
Cause we’re safe tonight.

And the feeling it gets left behind...
Oh the innocence broken with time.
We’re different behind the eyes, there’s no need to hide.

And the feeling it gets left behind...
Oh the innocence broken with lies.
We’re different behind the eyes.
We’re safe tonight."

posted April 03, 2005 08:23 PM         

I am forever changing my perception of Karma, as I grow, so will my mind.
I love all your responses.

posted April 09, 2005 01:00 AM         

Remember that God does not assault people we do. It's amazing what people do to one another how they persecute and destroy other 'Sons of God'

Our beloved Jeshua told all of us, and his diciples too, over and over again, " My father and I are one and if it is true for me, it must surely be true for you."

He then demonstrated that you cannot kill God because God is not a body. That the worst assault can be made on a body, and that it can even destroyed, but you cannot really destroy the "Son Of Man." To identify with the crucifiction is to miss the whole point of the resurrection which is far more important. He could have saved himself and he did not. The resurrection was our awakening to the Kingdom of God within us all. He elected to show us that the most awful, outrageous, guiltless persecution as judged as the world judges, does not matter. That God never persecutes and never banks something which is not of his Kingdom. The ego banks, but God does not. Jeshua simply led you by example. The example was that he was never abandoned by God. That the Holy Spirit is one, and that atonement is possible. The concept of a banking system involves the projection that blame is justified. Now what did Jeshua say about that? He certainly made Peter understand that he was to carry the cross and of course Peter already knew that death was not the end. For you can crucify the BODY but not the SPIRIT.

Gia

posted April 10, 2005 09:32 PM         

Okay, I want to disagree with you about Paul.
His theology has been greatly misrepresented by the Church, and that is why you didn't notice that it corresponds directly with your own.

I am in love with the Epistle to the Romans,
and I think Paul expresses therein precisely what you are expressing with this thread.
He refers to personal karma as the law of Moses, and proceeds to discredit it:

1 "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness ((Spirit)), and going about to establish their own righteousness ((Ego)), have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ ((the Soul)) is THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth. ((Because we must believe in something, in order for it to be true FOR US.))
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law ((KARMA)), That the man which doeth those things shall live according to them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart ((You already know it, so believe that you know it)): that is, the word of faith, which we preach.."

-romans 10

Paul's view of Karma is eloquently expressed in Romans 14:14:

"There is nothing unclean of itself, but, whosoever thinketh anything unclean, to him it is unclean."

He does not mean to suggest that anything is objectively sinful, or, that it is God who will hold us accountable for our judgements, rather, he tries to suggest the notion that we UNKNOWLINGLY create our own law, or karma. Moreover, (although he doesn’t speak of it here), we do not realize that, by calling one thing good, we are condemning another, and that, since we contain all things within ourselves, we are necessarily condemning ourselves (but are not condemned by God) whenever we exalt any part of us; which is to say, whenever we exalt anything at all. Likewise, if we exalt God at our own expense, we condemn ourselves, for, there is no such division. We mustn’t see the ego as something to be sacrificed to God, but, we must forget the ego in the remembrance of God, who both transcends and contains it.

Paul says that, "if I do that which I would not" (i.e. that which I consider evil), "it is no longer I that do it, but sin, working thru me." Paul categorically denies the existence of free will. He does not think it is possible to "freely" choose ignorance. One can only "choose" ignorance out of ignorance; hence, one is already ignorant. This is what is meant by "original" sin. (The fall did not take place in time.)

"Wherefor I have faith in Christ, the inner man, who is perfect." He identifies himself, not with his personal ego, which is imperfect (thru no fault of his own), but, with the Soul (Christ), which is incorruptible, and married to God; they are one.

"Faith in Christ", as Paul understands it, is faith in the eternal soul, and its ultimate identity with God. Hence, if you believe in reincarnation as a process of realization, as opposed to evolution, you believe in identifying the ego (Jesus) with the soul (Christ) and, ultimately, with God, the eternal NOW. To identify with the ego is merely to imagine Christ crucified or resurrected all over again.

posted April 12, 2005 11:16 PM         

It is important for you to realise that unlike the others, Paul was a Roman citizen just as his father was also. He was called the Jew from Tarsus and he studied under the greatly admired Gamialiel in Jerusalem. He was a great letter writer, fiction writer and very disciplined in his outlook. As you know before his so called vision on the road to Damascus, Paul worked for the Sanhedrin and happily took on the task of crushing the new Christian movement. Paul was a smart man and he knew he could never be promoted to high priest mainly due to his Roman citizenship, plus the fact he was not a Sadduce. He was quick to realise that the new Christian movement if made more Judeo-Christian offered him greater possibilities. Perhaps that was his great vision on the way to Damascus...? Anyways, he adjusted a little here and there, removed women from the scene as that was much more Judeo friendly, and began the process of re writing some of the original scripture. He did not change it all however and much of the truth still remains intact. There is no time, no place, or person where God is totally absent. I think that goes for Paul too. Please don't think I judge him as a bad person I don't. I just wanted to point out that things are not always how we imagined them at all.

I should give dear Judas a mention here. He was by no means a traitor and he killed himself because he was mad with grief and not because he was guilty. He never needed the 30 pieces of silver. Judas was a very wealthy merchant in his own right and it took a great deal of courage and faith to do what was expected of him.

I think Jeshua is saddened by how some Christians condem and taunt Judas. I suppose it just goes to show that his message was never properly understood.