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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted July 09, 2005 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christinaeavynwarner     Edit/Delete Message
Does anyone know anything on how to protect yourself from other peoples slandering? Or from mean evil gossips? Perhaps a spell to say, or a mantra, or a meditation? Or any spell to protect oneself from other's negative thoughts? Yeah, nasty thing happened at home and all...long story, stupid, but I'm looking into protection. Please help

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Kat
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posted July 09, 2005 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
I have a different take on this situation so take from it whatever you want.

I think it's important to not take gossip or stuff that's said about you personally. When it triggers something inside of us, we then own something that really has to do with the other person's perception.
So the first thing to do is to recognize that this is coming from the other person and has nothing to do with you. Generally that person is projecting something they find undesirable onto you. I recall a situation at work when people were ****** off at me because they felt I was getting all the creative work. What was really going on was that they wanted to be recognized more by the boss and were too passive to proactively askthe boss for more creative work and didn't want to initiate making creative work on their own, so they were ****** at me because I was an easier target rather than them approaching the boss. Get it?
So these people have some issue that will probably take a shrink to figure it out. Try to empathize with them and what they are going through. Say a prayer for healing this situation that all will work out for the greater good, that this will be resolved in a peaceful way, ask "God" for assistance (not protection, because you are then in the mode of thinking that you are being victimized or that someone can threaten your peace and this is not the reality of who you are. You are capable of being proactive.)It doesn't need to be fancy or formal only heartfelt.
Also keep in mind that problems don't get resolved by you being at a distance. This only feuls the situation because you haven't given them the opportunity to know you and think otherwise. Alot of times gossip starts because people do not fully get to know the person or situation, huge assumptions are made instead.

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted July 09, 2005 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christinaeavynwarner     Edit/Delete Message
Right, ok, Thank you.I'll do that...but sometimes it sucks so much.

I sent around a petition that wanted to impeach Bush, because I figured that some people might appreciate having it and everything, but then someone wrote me back, being very insulted, said that I had just insulted every veteran that ever lived, and I didn't know it was going to at all. Do you know anything of the kind that can help you know that what you do might insult someone? But then...wouldn't that be everything that you do? I didn't mean to...but yes, I'll ask ah...god, to heal me and all. It still hurts, even though I don't even know the guy...lol...ah well, I'll live. Thank you though.

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Kat
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posted July 11, 2005 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Well now that changes everything... continue on with collecting signatures to impeach Bush!! He He

Not everyone sees things the same so don't take it personally. I know plenty of veterans who think this war is wrong. I think my "advice" is still valid and if you believe in you convictions you should make a choice whether continuing on is in your best interests. When you take a stong stand you can always expect strong opposition. You probably just weren't prepared and now you know. You either need to get a thick skin or try a more indirect route.

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posted July 11, 2005 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScotScorp     Edit/Delete Message
Be a very graceful person when you're around those who don't agree w/you. I find that it's easiest to accept them using you as a human bulls-eye for their opinions. Be thoughtful and respectful of their talk. Smile, then move on.

Remember... don't take anything anyone says personally... to your head or heart. You're the only one YOU answer to! You know you're doing something GOOD! Don't let anyone knock you down! You're not being bad or evil!

Btw, I know it's easy to tell someone not to take other people's opinions seriously. After about 5 years of thinking and practicing this...I've gotten really good about it. Well worth the peace of mind.

Angela

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posted July 11, 2005 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Right on, Angela!

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted July 11, 2005 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christinaeavynwarner     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah yeah, I know. But sometimes--its like, whoa, where did that come from. Like, awhile back, somehow a friend got mad at me for something I still don't know what, and she started talking about me behind and in front of me, kept saying how I did this and that, blah...long ugly story--and well, its sorta hard to be like, huh, well, she's talking behind my back. But really, it doesn't matter.

It took you FIVE years to learn? Crud, I'm screwed!! But I'll try. It still hurts. But thank you all.
Really hard to do that.

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posted July 12, 2005 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScotScorp     Edit/Delete Message
LOL C!! Well, I should say again that I've been "practicing" this type of thinking for 5 years now. Not explaining away the "WHYs" that people ask me over things that have NOTHING to do with them. The realization that I do not have to APOLOGIZE to people after I give them the honest opinion that THEY asked for. Ya know: "Hey, what do you think about what I'm doing w/so-and-so".. instead of saying "I'm sorry, but I think you're being an idiot about blah blah blah".. I say: "You're an idiot?" LOL!!

Do you see what I'm saying here?

Your friend in school (I've gathered that you're 14 or so years old?) is being the usual petty that school age kids are, and will be, as is common, for most kids well past their college years. Is she worth being friends with if she can't talk to you face to face about whatever it is she's upset about? Probably not. I would have put up with it, the PUSHOVER and PEOPLE PLEASER I was at that age, but now I'd walk away. Pulease. Not a true friend that will last past school and through adulthood, but possibly someone that you might care to stay "friends" with because you both have similiar interets/clubs. Hopefully she will evolve from this stage of pettiness sooner than later.

Somewhat the same with perfect strangers. Do you HAVE to explain yourself to a stranger? No. If they want to sign the petition, they sign it. If not... then they should pass it on. Respect to those of different ideas and views. Ya know, the supposeded "American" way. I don't trash people's stuff because I don't agree w/it. That's figuratively and physically.

As long as you know that you have good intentions, that you are not out to harm anyone, you SHOULD do what you feel is right. Let whomever throw their anger out in the world. Don't take it personally. Remember that it's unkind to do that, and they they are very unkind. I wouldn't tell you to think of youself as "above" or "better" than them, but like.... it's not appropriate to act like that, and that it throws alotta negative energy out there, and you want to live with the POSITIVE.

Honey, we all have lessons to learn in this life, and some people seem to NEVER learn them well. I'm thankful you're here and asking lots of questions... keep learning. You've taken a good step to ask questions, being younger than most people here. Live with love. Be open to what comes to you... the good stuff.

*skips off with cramped fingers from typing a BOOK!*

Angela

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted July 14, 2005 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christinaeavynwarner     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, that girl from school, we are so over. I'm a tad bit disgusted just to see her, and her very name sends a nasty shiver...grins...I dont know, its like, people really need to focus on their own. I'm in this one website thing, called Care2, where you go and do petitions and such, and the people there are like sharks. the little thigns and someone would say "OMg thats false!" and immediately attack the person. All adults too, I might like to add. (And yep, I'm 15. Gonna be 16 in ah...two months!) I send out one message, and sounded a little bored, and then someone typed back that I shouldn't belong there, cuz its for people who care and no one wants to hear my complaining.
I was like, whoa, where'd that come from! I didn't even know I was complaining. And these people...jesus christ. Makes a girl wanna run with her tail between her legs. Pagh! ANd they're all adults too. I've not once attacked anyone. Well, I don't read all the messages there either, I kind of just skimm it all, but still...lol. I don't know, I'm thinking of quitting the thing. I keep getting people ****** at me and I don't quite know why. You know, at first, everything would seem nice, everyone would be nice, and there'd be petitions and your helping the world. But then all the niceness are just...fake. And deep down, those people are so judgemental. So many people have quit because of it. You never know what you said might have caused whatever offence to anyone! Anyway, thanks. This helped...god. I think people (adults mainly, no offence!) need to stop attacking every little thing in anything, and perhaps focus more on themselves. One even attacked a vegan for talking about veganology. Another attacked some guy for sending out things that insult them (I'm not sure what, I skimmed over those messages) others attcked people and called them fake, and then itd go on and on and on. Argh! Its like highschool but worse, with adults grumbling instead of mean nasty ugly jerks talking behind your backs. Except...the adults don't talk behind your backs, they talk in front of you, and makes sure everyone else know how horrid you are. Hm...sorry, didn't mean to rant so much. but thanks. It was nice just typing it out. Here, it seems to be more laid back. There...brr. Tis like a fishie among sharks,

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sesame
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posted July 14, 2005 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't really been to any other forums. Nothing really interests me. I know it sounds sheltered and maybe boring, but when I find something good I stick to it. You know, I hear you about the adults. I'm 27 and am starting to feel like an adult, but I'm more waiting than anything. Waiting for children and holidays and my point in life. With children/teenagers there's a lot of hope. As you get older it feels as though the hope is fading. What you're doing now is it. But that's just because we have to earn money to pay the bills etc. That takes a big chunk of the day. To study further courses could occur at night, but then there's no relaxation. I mean, learning could be considered as relaxing, but then you have to wake up early and do it all again. I'm not complaining, it's just how I feel. Once I have kids, I'm hoping to play music with them and read books etc, but I know these could just be thoughts. Once they come, you prolly want to relax more. As I'm getting "older" I'm also learning more about regrets. As I was growing I had none, now I'm thinking I wish I did follow my heart back then, but I know I'd probably have to leave my family to find work, and that I'd prolly be pretty stressed out (as a theoretical physicist). The thing is I'm very happy with what I do, but I always wanted to completely change or help the world. As each year slides by I have less ideas on how this will be achieved. I honestly believe I am immortal though, and hence have a long time to figure out what I want to do, and hence I don't have fear about my future or depression about my lack of achievements. It's all life. Notime will tell

Heaps of Love,
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posted July 15, 2005 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScotScorp     Edit/Delete Message
Judge not, lest ye be judged??

C, I'm hearing you there. Alotta adults are mean. They are so busy paying the bills (like Sesame!), doing work that they DON'T love, and trying to keep up appearances... so working more to have the perfect house, the kiddies involved in EVERY ACTIVITY on the face of the planet, the cool car, boat, high tech electronics...

...so busy that they forget to live. Join in the rat race! The person w/the most toys wins! Woohoo!

It's a shame that the "good causes" they pick up for the "right reasons" are not working out the best for them. You either love a cause with your whole heart and work for it in the best way, or get out.

Have you tried to find a local group of kids your age that you could petition with? I always was hanging out w/the young group offshoot of MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) and their anti-drug group. Maybe the PACs (Political Action Committee) in your region have some small causes that would work for you. I would check ALL of them, Dem, Rep, or Independant... you never know what you could find.

Angela

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posted July 15, 2005 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScotScorp     Edit/Delete Message
Dean: I just hit 30 last year, and I have one furchild. I know exactly how you feel about being so adult and waiting for the kids. You can do two things here...1. You can live life through other children until you have your own. (I'm not preaching to you, really. I know you know this!)
I went to a Six Flags amusement park two days ago w/my best friend of 21 years (!), her husband, and her 7 and 3 year old daughters. I had more fun watching both of them ride the rides for the first time, then riding the roller coasters w/one of the adults or by myself. I used to have so much FUN going there....but hearing the 7 year old's contagious laughter on the adult swings, and hearing all the other adults on the ride laughing w/her.... man. What a release!!! And the three year old on the boat ride...it drops the whole boat like 100' straight down into a huge pool and makes a HUGE SOPPING SPLASH... we thought for sure that she would freak out. HER LAUGHING was even better. And the "do it again! do it again!" pleas... It was a delightful day..and I about fell asleep w/them in the backseat on the way home after I spoonfed them a shared ice cream treat.

Con't....

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posted July 15, 2005 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScotScorp     Edit/Delete Message
Con't...

And... 2. Live like a kid. My grandmother STILL tells me never to grow up. So, as I'm in the backseat again (of my Aunt's car) yesterday...w/her three year old granddaughter, we blew bubbles out of our mouths, ran our "motors", pulled each other's hair, smacked each other w/a mylar balloon, I helped her put stickers in a book, and we colored w/crayons. Sure, I do this stuff w/adults too. Well not the blowing bubbles part, but I go w/my adult friends to kiddie attractions in our area. We toss water balloons for no reason, pull childish pranks on each other. Always fun to put a line of dishwasher liquid on my brother's car windshield wipers...because it sits under a tree full of birds. LOL! Shoot my Dad w/the garden hose when he comes in the yard. When I go line dancing w/friends, and noone starts a dance right away to a new song, I strike the WORST poses in the middle of the dance floor until the dancing starts. Now... if you laughed at any of these comical examples of my "immaturity", I feel like it's worth it to type all this stuff out.
...And the best thing is that I don't feel like a fool, either way.
Start having some fun. The instant one of your adult friends starts in w/you and breaks up the monotomy of adulthood, the more involved everyone else will get. I'm not talkin' drinking games, or any of that adult crap. This is the good, free, easy stuff. Just do it dude!

Angela

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posted July 15, 2005 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScotScorp     Edit/Delete Message
Dean: Here I am, ranting along how you can get some "child" into your life, and I forget to talk about the rest of your post.

It's never too late to try to do the things you want to do. Go for it. If you put enough positive energy into it, it will work. What DO you wanna do? For real?

And yes, there is no "time", but yet, there is "somewhat" of a time restraint...for being w/the other people on this earth w/the lessons experienced in the NOW. Who are you connected with right now? What can you do together?

Angela

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted July 17, 2005 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christinaeavynwarner     Edit/Delete Message
well, this is something I just wrote to get my thoughts down...and I'm confused...so...eh...answer please

Oh dear. Its me again. And I don't know what to do. I've been feeling so down lately. Like--how the world is one big fake. A big grinning mask, that's all it is. The whole world too! Including me. I mean, i sit here, and there's people shopping, laughing, crying, learning. Some are talking together about the latest gossip, others are crying over a deceased, or being dumped. Others are learning spirituality, learning how to be psychic. But...isn't there more to life then shopping, laughing crying learning? Isn't there more to life then what we have now? More then war, more then school, or family, or the universe? More? I feel like we're living only ten percent of our lives, like we use only ten percent of our brains. I feel like we're only seeing ten percent of what really is in the world, no matter if you are pampered and rich, or poor and living in poverty. What we see in the world is just...a small part of what really is. I mean, isn't there more that we do not have? But is there?

Picture an ant, thinking its ant hill and its family and its food is all there is. But then there are humans. And wolves, and other animals. Tehre's more in their life then they know. Are we teh ants, then? Are there more then we know?

And I want it. I want more. I want more then just ten percent of my life. I want to use all of my brain, feel with all of my heart, not just ten percent. I want to live all of my life. But I want to live it the way I want to. And the way I want to is nearly impossible, because I don't know how exactly I want to live my life. Becaues I don't know what it is that is missing.

Thsi is a bit like the movie Matrix. How there's more in life then what we know. More then society, more then animals, or spirits, or souls, or love. There must be more then what we have. More then we can read, or learn about.

There must be. But...what is it then. Isn't there more then the latest trend? Or more then surviving?

And replying to the other posts...I'm trying to stay young longer...but everyone else around me is all grown up, or tries to be, and gives me sad pitiful shakes of the head. and sometimes...u really can't be too immature. highschool would squash you if you do anything too out of the ordinary.

I still run thru sprinklers whenever I can. I dont mind at all being wet. But...that's about all I do now that at all fun. i've just sat around, watched stupid MTV (wher ethey talked about totally fake celebrities...because they are. Fake, I mean.) And I get on all fours to play with my puppy, but that only lasts as long as I stay interested...and then I go on the computer, and worry about not having enuf money for the future. I feel like a depressed little grown up already...sigh...

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posted July 18, 2005 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I agree with you all!! Oh life.

Life is bigger
It's bigger than you
And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to
The distance in your eyes
Oh no I've said too much
I set it up

That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no I've said too much
I haven't said enough
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try

Every whisper
Of every waking hour I'm
Choosing my confessions
Trying to keep an eye on you
Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
Oh no I've said too much
I set it up

Consider this
The hint of the century
Consider this
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
What if all these fantasies
Come flailing around
Now I've said too much
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try

But that was just a dream
That was just a dream

(REM losing my religion)

Yeah, it can seem sad that this is life, but would you choose any different? I came to a realisation recently about evolution. We were about survival, and some still are, but over time, I think humans will realise that we are living quite nicely and hence should help all who are needy. Life's angle will change to live for others. Have you guys read Conversations with God? Basically the meaning of life is to create who you want to be. My problem is that there are so many things to do, and yet all of them seem pointless. But that is life. Deciding what ultimately you do want to do. Deciding how much you want it, and then how much energy you're willing to commit to it.

Christina, I think as you get older there are phases. You feel is that it? Then, OK, fine, I'll live with it, then is that it? etc, ad infinitum. I wait a lot to see what God will throw at me next. I know I should be more active, but sometimes I think it's useful to view objectively. Sit back and try to learn the subtle truths of life. That takes time, and patience.

Angela, thanks so much for your words. I've never really been one to act like a child, and yet I am an eternal child if that makes sense. People in school used to think I was serious, well, from this post you might too, but really, I'm just trying to understand. I am usually very childlike, maybe naive's more the word. I like fun, but question what is fun? It too evolves. I think the point is that the moment is everything. What you do in the moment shows what you think is worthy of doing. You hit the nail on contagious laughter though. Sometimes it's very awesome to be around people who just have pure fun. I'm very curious to see how my life will change with the introduction of children. My wife and I are starting to try.

Dean.

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posted July 19, 2005 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christinaeavynwarner     Edit/Delete Message
I dont know, I suppose its a phase. But its like...if there is more, I want to know what that more is. I'm not at all happy with how my life is suppose to be. Ok, I finish highschool, go on to college, do some experiemtns in college (cough cough) graduate college, find work, marry, try to keep the marriage, find more work, worry about money, have kids, grow old, get wrinkly, have grandkids, die. Psh! I want something else. Something more then "god" or fate or karma or destiny or even the universe itself. THere must be something more, right? There should. Because...all the things we're learning now, the powers, numerology, astrology, they're all very very good, I think, but they're still not the "more" i feel there is. Like, its begining to be like everyday life now for me, because it is. I think...? I don't know...maybe I'm just being restless again (I'm a five) but like..you know the Matrix? Where the guy was suddenly pulled away from the computer world and thrust in to the real one...yeah, i thinik there's someting like that...well, not quite a war with a bunch of machines and a really scary looking guy, but something greater then saving the environment, something greater then connecting nature, greater then having your hole power restored to you, or whtever. It should be something greater..

And Dean--when you talked about surviving--that reminds me have a email convo between a friend and I. With her, its all about surviving, and pleasing her self, because to her, the worlds going down the sh--eh...dump, anyway. And for me, I want to try to connect with nature, try to do petitions and as much as I can to help out, and she thinks I've my head in the cloud too much. Psh posh! Grr...I can't believe how negative and cynical one can be. She said that me trusting too much is bad. Its not that bad...but whtever.

But yeah...I guess...sigh. I bet its just stupid teenage hormoney things.

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posted July 19, 2005 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
HA! I wish it stayed in the teenage years. That's kinda my point. We have to live with what we have. We can strive for more, or chill out, that's our decision, but I think one thing that keeps me going are the small moments of abolute joy that happens so rarely - learning something totally new, or feeling the freedom of life. Just soaking everything in. But, yeah, that feeling goes away, I guess unless you're enlightened. But the life is what we do. If you feel good signing petitions, then do it. It doesn't matter what other people think, because they do not create themselves through you. Hey, I guess people might think that. That if you're cooler, and they hang with you, then they're cool too But yeah, the more thing is just a part of life I think. It can be useful though. I bet Mother Theresa didn't want more for herself, but realised the importance of helping people with less.

Dean.

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posted July 26, 2005 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScotScorp     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't forgotten this thread. I'll be back with a response.

Angela

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posted October 22, 2006 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message
READ aloud, if possible, the 91st psalm king james version 77x this will weed out the wicked tongued and other wickeds, too. You will be able to discern those that are against you as opposed to those just 'along for the ride' be as pure of thought and powerful. if possible run in place towards the sun with palms up and out-you will absorb the light-the slanderers will notice this and work harder and more powerfully as well if they are any good at their wicked ways. they may enlist outside help so stay strong-you can defeat some of them but some only become less obvious- all the above replies are saying all you ever control are your own actions-hard to live with these types of slanderers anywhere but keep strong everywhere and yes, love them, bless them vocally-

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posted October 22, 2006 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teaselbaby     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for bumping this up..

I recently had someone trying to hurt me through slander (less than two months ago) over something I had nothing to do with. At first my feelings were hurt, when I fell into what they were doing and why, but after a while I was amused. It's interesting to see the effect, seeing some people take the bait.. years ago that would have killed me (so to speak), but not now.

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posted October 22, 2006 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I remember a while back a shaman healer I was visiting told me women were talking about me becos I was with a younger man. They were saying I was only with him for sex...(haha....18 years of ONLY rampant sex)....

I was delighted that they looked at me this way....not offended at all....it just made me realise what sad and empty lives they lead...and how on some level, they probably admired me!


Shortly after that one of them spoke to me and asked how I was and I replied "oooh very tired....too much rock and roll last night, you know younger man and all"....she looked shocked and a tad jealous...

LOL !!!

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