posted August 03, 2005 01:54 PM         

My question is ..since jim was such a bad guy to john, according to the law of returns, it should come back to him, right? But what if john did something to jim ...like beating him up not so bad , will he get it back? Wasnt it destined for jim to get all the crap what he did back? but it even could be from john....but since john did something bad to jim as revenge for 10 years of torture, will john have to suffer the law of return's effect on him?

posted August 03, 2005 05:46 PM         

john should let it go and the universe will balance out, and he would not be simply mimicking the fathers bad behaviour imo.....

posted August 04, 2005 07:58 PM         

we all decide what situation (down to the tiniest detail) we will need to be in to "grow" when we incarnate here, take our 1st breath.

having said that, both jim & john have come together in an unfortunate /cycle/ of behavior for their growing, whether they know it consciously or not!

to break the cycle (the hard part) the one receiving the pain must /forgive/ the one causing the pain in this life time (think ghandi) or perhaps in the next life the rolls could be reversed! who knows, the giver of pain may have been the receiver in a past life and until one of them /forgives/ the circle cycle will continue to come around!

on another note, when someone gives anything to someone they will get that 'energy' back but not necessarily from the same person whom they initially gave to! i say this in reference to the pain between jim & john.

posted August 08, 2005 06:07 PM         

In my father's side of the family there's something xxxxx with the women --generation after generation.I have been blessed to see the effects for four generations.

My grandmother was anything but grandmotherly , no sweetness, folly, no extending herself to shower someone with love. Everything was about the news, the harsh state of the world. The Hippies, the "Nig---s", the Jews. She was an unofficial white supremist with a sharp and extremely rational mind. Head over heart She had a harsh life in Europe and emigrated to the US alone at the age of 14. When times got rough here she temporarily gave up my Aunt to be raised by someone else. I kept away from my Grandmother as a kid though she lived next door. My Aunt always had a blunt, stoic unfriendly way about her. Now I see that same attitude in her four daughters. The son took after his upbeat father. My cousin Connie's oldest daughter is also highly intelligent, head over heart, and blunt. And I also see this in myself and my sister and I don't like it. My neice Sarah is a very warm people person, but I see her becoming more and more closed off as time goes by.

So what's the message here? Our actions of love or not being loving are passed from one generation to the next. Each person learned this attitude and behavior from the generation before. It's not a matter of blame or Karma, but waking up to what going on and ending the cycle.