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Topic: The Philosophy of Fun
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sesame
Moderator Posts: 1014
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 14, 2005 01:19 AM
 
OK, I'm in the mood for a philosophical rant, and this topics been brewing. Who here has fun? How do you do it? Do you feel the need to tell people about it, and how mush they are missing what you are feeling? How can you compare experiences as to what they'll find fun anyway? I think one of the points I'm hinting at is that fun is subjective. It's personal. It can never be duplicated like any other emotion or event over all of humanity. The point of fun is for you to feel life at it's best, but really, is there a way to communicate or compare this to others? Why must we compare anyway? Why compete for who's having the most fun? Well, I think some people may think that this is due to Ego, but maybe it's also about positivity, or maybe passive agressiveness. In any case, who's to say what fun is? Don't you think the most fun you can have is to feel life? Do you think this feeling is heightened by the presence of other people or external stimulation (like rides etc)? Does having fun actually make you happy? Of course, this is completely debatable about the side-effects of this fun. Do they outweigh the fun? My real question here, is what do you do for fun and how does it change who you are? Can you see a change in who you are now, based on the fun you've had in the past. Are you "better" or "worse" off? Do you live for fun? Can you live without fun? Oh, so many questions. With Love,
Dean. ------------------
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Gemini Nymph
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posted October 14, 2005 01:44 AM
Do I live for fun? Could I live without fun? I'm a Gemini! Life is meaningless without fun. I have no desire to compete with anyone about anything. So I don't compete about fun. If someone else is having fun, and I'm not, I don't feel envious - I'm very happy at least someone is having fun. Everyone should have fun and enjoy their lives. I dont' like what passes for fun sometimes - I don't think people search themselves enough to find what they really like, as opposed what is percieved by teh masses as "having a good time." I don't like big parties, drinking, drugs, loud dance music or loud obnoxious people. That's not fun to me. Fun things to me are mentally stimulating, make me laugh and smile, make me forget about the less fun things in my life for a while. Fun is not being burdened or troubled and being able to just enjoy life as it is and to enjoy myself and others as we are. I really don't need much to have fun - just the opportunity. I think a lot of people just go with the flow, and think having fun has to be more elaborate or complicated than it needs to be. They just never really find out how much fun they could have if they followed their own hearts and intuition and ralized that is often easier to have more fun with simple things. IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 14, 2005 04:15 AM
Hi GN, how are you doing, I hope things arent too difficult with your Dad.....sending love girl  Yes fun brings freedom, takes away the worries of the moment. I had great fun last night....went out to a local pub where everyone was invited to sing, tell a story, play an instrument...it was like going back 100 years or so...the Irish a great fun lovers....they really live for the day......  There was this old man who told lots of very funny stories and I laughed loudly.....lots......and then when people sang the room fell silent.....beautiful.... Other things I find to be fun are: dancing with my son and hubbie, sex, watching "funny" people (observing), dressing up in fancy costumes, sharing stories with my Dad and friends etc..... Fun is a big part of life for me......hope it is for ye guys... Love and fun....they really "float my boat"  to all x x x x x IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 14, 2005 04:15 AM
Hi GN, how are you doing, I hope things arent too difficult with your Dad.....sending love girl Yes fun brings freedom, takes away the worries of the moment. I had great fun last night....went out to a local pub where everyone was invited to sing, tell a story, play an instrument...it was like going back 100 years or so...the Irish a great fun lovers....they really live for the day...... There was this old man who told lots of very funny stories and I laughed loudly.....lots......and then when people sang the room fell silent.....beautiful.... Other things I find to be fun are: dancing with my son and hubbie, sex, watching "funny" people (observing), dressing up in fancy costumes, sharing stories with my Dad and friends etc..... Fun is a big part of life for me......hope it is for ye guys... Love and fun....they really "float my boat" to all x x x x x IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 14, 2005 04:20 AM
Oh yeah and of course the funniest thing for me is being able to laugh at MYSELF......bloody hilarious....as the old saying goes"A man that cannot laugh
at himself, should be
given a mirror" How true is that and how many people really DO take themselves too seriously sometimes....hahahahaha  xxx IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1014
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 14, 2005 06:08 AM
Well, maybe it's where I live or something, but I don't really have fun with people. To me, fun is about being alive. Can't every moment of existence be fun? Why do we have to do things? I've been to parties or been drunk, and at the end of the day, think back and realise sometimes I've felt better doing nothing, or just appreciating things. I used to love computer games, but now it seems more like an obligation to finish all of my games. They are just images. True fun is in living irrespective of any surroundings. Does anyone get me?Dean. IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1014
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 14, 2005 08:35 AM
OK, do I sound like I just contradicted myself? Well, I'm a gemini so I'm allowed to  One thing I love (here's another contradiction) is body surfing. I could do it for hours, and kinda wish there were competitions for it. I'm pretty blind (blurry) but I think I can read waves pretty well. I can't surf with a board though, but I prefer not having one. Just feeling the wave pick you up and like you're flying with it. and then the drop, either into another wave or the water below, and the propulsion as you careen along. And sometimes knocking people over is fun, but I'm not a sadist - I crumpl when this happens - the funs in not knowing when it will happen, how big the person is, how fast you're going so to stop on a dime. Really! GREAT fun! Some waves are dumpers so you have to roll out or just kinda belly flop with it and brush the sand as you barrel. Or catching the first of a double wave and feeling the second as it surges you on. Or just floating, looking at the sky and birds, waiting for the next set as the water blocks your ears.Yes, that's how I have the most fun I think. Dean. IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1014
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 14, 2005 08:42 AM
BTW Sue, I have to say I am a little jealous that I can't have so much fun with people. I can have great conversations, and I can laugh, but sometimes I just don't feel it. Like I'm sober and they're not, but this isn't the case. I just don't get it sometimes, and sometimes wish I could. This is the burden of my virgo moon and 30 name. Every experience must be uesful in some way, I can't just let go and have fun. Unless I'm buy myself or with my wife. Like, if I'm in a group, then I'll entertain, but it's like I'm doing it to kill time so I can escape. People say I'm interesting or whatever, but I just want out sometimes, unless it's talk about philosophies, theories ot metaphysics. I just thik people are different. I have certain astrological elements that conflict to make me want, then detest things like partying and friends. I want friends, but then will do anything to keep them at arms distance, or even to leave me be. I love remembering them, but seem to not like the knowing them. But this isn't true - it's just all internal contradictions, does this make sense?Well, heaps of Love,
Dean. IP: Logged |
thirteen
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From: Rochester Hills, MI USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted October 14, 2005 01:22 PM
Its the virgo in me ( ruled by mercury too ) that gets it Dean! I cannot comment except to say I felt everything you said. The difference in me is my aqua rising. Its fun to me to let people babble on because I like finding out what makes them tick. I don't relate to others any more because I feel i have have evolved past the point that a lot of others are at. My husb and I have fun together, he gets me. When we hang out is when i feel a sense of fun. When I was younger I felt a sense of fun all the time but that was when I felt that i was in sync with others and able to communicate well with them. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Moderator Posts: 1960
From: Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 14, 2005 01:44 PM
I love fun, and fun loves me.
It sometimes finds me when I least expect it.
It is validating to share it with others.. like you can emote a particular feeling of joy, and share it, and it becomes real. Other's fun might be a heck of a lot different than my fun, and heck, even my fun changes. But it is there.
It is almost a current that lives inside, and I spark it out usually at inopportune moments. And even if I am the only one laughing, at least I am laughing.
We were just about late for school today, and as I walked over with the kids, we had fun. It was stressful, due to the ticking clock... but life goes on, and you can either respond to pressure with a stern look and a wrinkly forehead, or you can go "Eh. Whatevah." And deal with it with a smile.
Not always.. but it is there even when you try to pin it down define it.IP: Logged |
TINK
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From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted October 14, 2005 02:37 PM
sue g. An Irish pub sounds positively wonderful. I can't say I know from experience.  Not yet. I imagine something very different than American bars. IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 15, 2005 04:08 AM
Yes TinkWonderful indeed......ye guys would probably find it quite enchanting....I still do after living here for a long time. I was just gonna post to say....Irish people are naturally full of devilment and fun...its a part of their spirit...you can go out every day here, talk to anyone and have a laugh....it is heaven........  xxx IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 15, 2005 04:11 AM
The night I went out to sing......was amazing....like one big family. Later on the landlady comes around with trays of food....it was just like being at yer grannys house !!!The other thing I like is the way the blokes dont come onto ye....they are great craic, but shy, and a woman can safely go out on her own anywhere here.....isnt that something....of course ye get the odd drunk being a bit of a plonker, but as a rule its grand (unless ye wanted to pull and then it would take all year ha ha ha)..... I LOVE IT !!! xxx IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1014
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 15, 2005 04:29 AM
Sue, I've gotta come and have some craic with ya  I think Brizzies not the best place for sun, except the beaches. Thirteen, thanks heaps! You explained it well. You don't relate to anyone? Surely you could meet some new people that have reached your point? Have you thought about clubs? Did that sound patronizing? I'm just thinking maybe you're talking to the wrong crowd. Pixie, yes, you explained three points I was thinking - validating fun with others, feeling solitary fun, and pinning fun. It just is hey? Tink, are you gonna come party with Sue and I? Heaps of Love,
Dean. IP: Logged |
Lialei
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posted October 15, 2005 11:44 AM
There is a spirituality to fun, isn't there?
What it comes down to, it seems like, is a frame of mind in the moment. Like being late, Tink....you're already late, so screw it...what ya gonna do? May as well smile on your way...happens to everyone.I think it's a choice to treasure each moment. Like how we'll listen to music while we do boring chores, just to make it more enjoyable. I can relate to the other side as well. If I am in a withdrawn and quiet mood, overly sun-shiney people can get on my nerves.
Like at work. I've noticed that customers sense out your mood and make it a personal point to control your emotion and be the ONE to make you smile. What it comes down to for me is: I aint gonna be your monkey.  It only makes me more rebellious against smiling when they prod at my 'space' that way. I'm thinking, yeah, just buy your stuff and be on your way. Some days I am just totally not into interaction with others and find it emotionally draining to have to force myself to be. But most often anymore, I don't let things bother me the way I used to.
And I can easily turn around a mood and become more joyful...by just letting thoughts and problems and the past leave my mind. I think it's a letting go, while opening yourself to whatever the moment can be. Spiritually it's about being completely immersed in the here and now. Because if you were being completely open to Now and not depressing over what has been in the past or worrying about what could happen in the future...you're letting the moment and its potential (which is created from you ) slip right by you. IP: Logged |
Lialei
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posted October 15, 2005 12:05 PM
While on this subject, I'm wondering about all of your thoughts on this:I've always been able to empath and feel out people's moods and motives fairly well.
A lot of times if someone is bright and happy and lovey-lightworking all of the time, I can sense out a passive and subtle self-serving manipulation in it, that turns me off. Intuition tells me that the person's insecurity is what is motivating them (often entire subconciously to them) to be everyone's 'favorite' or to form an overly idealized version of themselves that will please others...bringing back positive feedback and attention to them that will serve their own insecurities and ego needs. Does this make sense? It just seems fake to me...not real. And there is a need in it that is so subtle, that its often not even noticed by others. Just wondered if this is something others think about too? IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 15, 2005 06:52 PM
Absolutely girl......100 percent know where you are coming from......when one sees so clearly.....can be a blessing and a curse at the same time cant it????????I always feel sad how some cant admit to feeling down, depressed, sad....how it is impossible almost for them to take off the "happy mask"....these days I just say how I feel....tis very liberating....very real.....very human.... xx xx IP: Logged |
Lialei
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posted October 16, 2005 10:12 AM
well, thanks, Sue. Glad you understand. I hope I didn't appear too harsh in my observations. I'm not overly judgemental about such things. I believe we all do this or have done this to some little degree in our lives, even if we aren't conscious of it. With some the Need is more than others. I don't believe that the intent is consciously malicious in most cases. On the other part about people trying to take control of your emotions...yeah, that bugs me. lol
At work I've noticed it is mostly men who do this. Something about a belief that a woman working in public service of some sort should be there for them...to serve them, adulate and cater to them?  Ugh.
If someone approaches me in a way that is sensitive and respective of my space...perhaps a gentle understanding smile...such warmth and consideration could definately soften my heart and bring a smile. Depends on the approach I suppose. Agressive attempts I find intrusive. IP: Logged |
sue g
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posted October 16, 2005 10:51 AM
"serve them, adulate and cater to them"Shouldnt it be the other way around.......men falling at OUR feet.....LOL !!!! xxx IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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From: Chennai
Registered: Oct 2005
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posted October 16, 2005 12:15 PM
Great Topic, Dean.
Infact, it was the sub plot of a Star Trek film where Data asks a child to teach him about fun. The child just jumps in a haystack from one place and comes out from another and does it again. End of the movie, Data does the same, and appears to understand.Fun would be any activity you do which you dont have to, yet are eager to do so without looking at how much time you have spent doing it. Timeless moments. And of course, highly subjective. When I was 9, I used to have fun by throwing half pound granite rocks as far as I could.
Even today, I enjoy throwing rocks but I now try to throw at difficult targets like a single stump from very far off, and rejoice when I actually hit. For many people, that which is not routine is sometimes fun. Video GAmes were fun when I started. THere was a game Half Life and one called Caesar 3. I played those for about a few months each. It was fun. Not anymore. THe predictability has set in.
Thus, fun is also something we have no memory of, fresh new experiences etc. Take Tantrik Sex. It has to be the most fun experience ever for adults. The key there is mutual pleasure. Imagine if we forget all the sex we have had and treat every encounter like the first time. That would be unbeatable fun. Physical LIfe is probably fun for the bored billion year Light Spirit? IP: Logged |
thirteen
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From: Rochester Hills, MI USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted October 16, 2005 12:22 PM
Dean, boy did i have to think about that after I posted it. Can't relate to anyone? But its true and its so different than it was 10 years ago. It's my birth no., 12. Student and teacher. I was the student for the first half of my life ( and I sure had some great teachers) and now its me doing the teaching. At work I find that Im there to help the young people. I work in a very conservative office and I see that the young ones are so scared. I show them its ok to be ok and not to be so timid all the time. I guess god gave me my husb. to have at least one friend. Im also doing a lot of teaching in my own family. They need it and they are listening. I would love to have a friend or two but it just hasn't happened.This site helps a lot, i need a communication outlet.
I didn't take your words as patronizing. Don't think Im not ok, I am , im just experiencing things a lot different than before. My husb and I went to a wedding last weekend in Traverse City, Michigan. We had tons of fun. We found a bar that had over 100 brands of tequila. ( I don't get hangovers from it so it my new drink.) We hung out there many times and had a blast. IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1014
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 23, 2005 04:40 AM
Lialei, I totally hear what you're saying. And Iqhunk, totally. I've never gotten into Star Trek. Always kinda wanted too, but didn't want to go into that infinnite abyss if you know what I mean. So much to do. Your philosophy is so much like mine. thirteen, I too am a 12 I hear everything you're saying. Really, I think when people are young, the social aspect seems like such a big thing, but even at that age I feel many people realise it's not. You can be completely happy without so many people, and I reckon learn more of who you are. When you're surrounded by people, how do you really know what you think? Likewise with fun - maybe it's what everyone else wants to do, but what do you want? Sure it sucks when you're not invited to parties, but then there's a wealth of things you can learn not going, and a few more brain cells would be thankful On that note, I don't believe they really die, what if they're just hibernating?Heaps of Love,
Dean. IP: Logged |
sue g
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From: ireland
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 25, 2005 11:51 AM
Does anyone think having sex is fun....cos my ex husband used to say "ive never had so much fun without laughin" after we'd made love.......he would say that......he was an Aquarian......love them naughty boys.....hahahahaha !!!!
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