posted October 22, 2005 02:21 PM         

About astral projection and all that....
(I don't really know a lot about it, but am very interested in it and will read more about it from the links people have put here)
I was wondering if anyone know anything about, like, what happens to people when they use hallucigens (Is that how you spell it?=) and the spirit in the astral world.
For instance..someone I knew about some years ago, he had LSD and had an experience in it that made him never getting back to reality after that. He is not himself even now many years since it happened.
He is in a institution and he beliefs that he is an orange.
An idea that he had when being on LSD.
Well, that's what I've heard happened and it makes me wonder. How in the world is it really possible?
When the drug lose effect and goes out of your body, isn't it suppose to make you normal?
How can someone stop existing just like that?
If anyone knows something about this, it would be great if you told me some about it.
I believe something happened in the "astral world" to him, but I have no clue what, and obviously his spirit isn't present and is replaced by a weird dillutional thought that happened when you expand your consciousness like you do on LSD.
It makes me think of how people used LSD in the past to hypnotise people and manipulate their minds and beliefs etc.
How you can by hypnosis quit smoking, just like that.
Like you can open up your conciousness and go in there and "program" yourself to whatever you wish, and you can't "remove" that in the real world? Cause you aren't concious of it in the every day world and therefore can't control it?!
Oh, it's a little difficult to try to explain though
But I hope someone can help me understand some of this

posted October 22, 2005 02:45 PM         

LSD works on a serotonin receptor in your brain that induces hallucinations. Sometimes the drug can permanently alter certain receptor sites such that the brain is "perma fried." Depending on this mans age (the younger the better), he may recover.

If there is a spirit, how does it interact with the body? Obviously the 2 would be interconnected, but we can't study spirit cause we can't measure it/see it. So all we have to go off is the brain.

I'm sure the spirit is intimately tied in with the body, which is why the spirit responds so violently to drugs like LSD.

posted October 22, 2005 03:13 PM         

my cousin's ex boyfriend

was at a bar with his friends
and they slipped to hits of acid
in his beer
the next day, his Mother walked in
to him tryining to circumcise himself
and stating that he was Jesus Christ
this happened in the 80's
he is still in a mental instsitution today
very sad
he was a very bright and talented man

Astral traveling, is alot like a dream state
I would never recommend doing, under the influence of anything
they are dark forces to deal with
be careful
different levels to go through
to be able to do it safely
I would read up on the subject
perhaps someone
could recommend a good book

posted October 22, 2005 04:07 PM         

No one Ive ever known personaly has tried to astral trip, travel, or intentionaly astraly communicate while on acid.. It can just accidently happen.. As it plays with the receptors in the mind and spinal chord, including the frequencys of light and sound you recieve,, it proviedes many halucinations, and then the occasion actual "supernatural " contact, for me and my freinds such contacts, and communications werent hard to distinguish from the halucinations, and we never tried these on purpose.. Just would occasionaly happen.

posted October 22, 2005 05:43 PM         

lotusheartone, very sad to hear about that guy =(

posted October 22, 2005 05:55 PM         

My ex boyfriend from Nigeria told me so much about how they used to astral travel there to damage other people and manipulate reality.
I didn't really understand much of it.
Not having any experience with it...
He says for instance that peopple were jealous of us and tried to seperate us, and I thought he was nuts.
But indeed we were seperated and obstacles beyond logic came in the way.
One time a year ago, I felt I was influenced
by some of this.
My perception of reality changed, my thinking became obscure and I changed important decicions, all relating to him, and he said it was people he knew who lived there who did this.
The weird thing was that I actually could feel some kind of powerful energy that surrounded me at that time, if not, I wouldn't believe much of it.
But I have no idea how this works.
I just hope to learn alot more about it and talk to people that has experienced this.

posted October 22, 2005 06:05 PM         

anything that we do in spirit, must be guided, we must ask for assistance from those of Light, be careful, how you ask for help

manipulating events, would be the dark forces, we are not God, anything we change, must be for the good of all

also, when light and light come close together on earth
dark forces or entities are therre to try to stop the union of these individuals
because the have work to do with Love and Light
friends, strangers, dark ones, will ssay and do things to steer them in the wrong direction

I always go straight to Mother and Father GOD and ask for guidance, and they always help, perhaps in the form of an angel, a master stepping into my uncle
anyway
Undertake to do all with Love and Faith
and all will be well

posted October 23, 2005 10:20 AM         

I doubt He'd hold that belief much longer after an intelligent conversation.

We astral travel every night when we sleep.
You cannot be separated from your self.

Maybe people literally did eat away at him that night, and for a minute he did believe he was an orange, it might have started off as a fanciful suggestion and then he got carried away with it

Dont get me wrong if your friend knows what he is then that, by definition is reality.

posted October 23, 2005 10:27 AM         

Well he used to hear voices from the tv and act incoherently and yeah he did get sick after doing a LOT of dope and some other stuff speed etc. He was also considered delusionsal, thought he was JC.

On some level, I couldnt help but feel this was a very strong cry for help, second child and always very threatened by his brother who I am married to. At the height of his so called "madness", he said to his mother that the reason this had happened to him was becos she didnt breastfeed him....OMG.....that took some working out didnt it for a "mad" man.

I always thought he was a brilliant person, musically amazing and very tuned in to other dimensions. The problem is, he gets aggressive sometimes, he gave my hubbie a very hard time when he was living with us.....I became like a surrogate mother to him....I was on the only one he could talk to, but I had to stand back, he became very close to me.

Well my conclusion is that he is probably close to being a genuis, but the drugs in this case aint good for him, in fact he could have gone on to be a famous musician, I am sure of that.......and now......everyone finds him weird.......he is very anti-social but chooses to be alone....oh yeah and he is very anti drugs and booze NOW

....and after seeing what they did to him and others, so am I.......no offence to any drug takers here, but you guys wouldnt believe what we went thro with this young man.... I do feel, with some, not all of course, taking drugs can be very similar to russian roulette....ye never know what is gonna happen !!

love to all

xxx

posted October 23, 2005 11:04 AM         

Monad

Aaah bless you.....I can see where you are coming from.....I have and have been told there is a natural drug inside of me that makes me feel euphoria.........

If i sing, dance, laugh, make love, make devilment, I am "high"

God helps those that dont have that......you moved me with your words.......I wished I had a magic wand to wave over all that wanna take some of my euphoria.

Hey will I try anyway......leave yer names here guys and I will try and send you some......would love that.....make me feel even more high then.

Thanks Monad.....

love to you

posted October 23, 2005 11:46 AM         

now the worst is alcohol, now why this is tolerated over smoking is beyond me
did you ever see a pot smoker start a fight, they ususlly doing they're own thing
Give someone alcohol, and well, then see what they're true nature is
either a happy drunk
or a raging lunatic
in a car
Yikes!

Messages
Come in every form, the ancients call out tu us from the spiritual world, trying to help guide us, yes even the TV will give you messages, and you know, when it's for you
or in something you read
something someone says
a thought that comes across your mind
all the time they are trying to help
why do so many want to label this crazy is beyond me

that's why it's taking so long for the human race to fugure out Truth
people are always judging people
I won't do this anymore, I am not God, and all of you, to me are equal and beautful, and each as important as the other.