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Topic: Whose afraid of the big bad wolf?
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Kat
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posted January 24, 2006 05:46 PM
 
Anyone here believe in the Devil/ Satan?
Anyone with proof of it's existance.I personally have found that "evil" does not exist in itself - it depends on people agreeing to dwell in/ or act out negatively.
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sesame
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posted January 25, 2006 06:40 AM
You know, there's now a court case to prove Jesus' existance. If successful, maybe they'll try to prove Satan's? Then Santa's? Then the Easter Bunyip?Check out the story: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17932949-13762,00.html Dean. ------------------
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My numerology program based on "Star Signs" by Linda Goodman
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TINK
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posted January 25, 2006 10:49 PM
Exactly what would you consider proof?IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted January 25, 2006 10:53 PM
Myth...made up to scare ChristiansJesus? Which one? Yeshua? What a historical mess. And that article?
What a freaking laugh and statement of ignorance!
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Father Righi had asserted the historical existence of Christ in a parish newsletter. >>>>Christ is NOT A NAME! It is a title and many were so called "Christed". It means annointed.
Jesus Bar Abbas gets confused with Yeshua Ben Yoseph. BOTH were called "son of the father". Both were preaching at the same time. Yeshua got blamed for the troubles Jesus Bar Abbas caused.
Both had fathers named Yoseph.
Both had mothers named Mary/Miriyam For the most part Satan/Devil were invented much later.
And...Lucifer has nothing to do with any of that.
Read Job.
Lucifer and Lord make a little wager. Lord does all the awful things to Job...not Lucifer. Something is just not right about all of this Christian "history".
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sesame
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posted January 26, 2006 01:21 AM
Hey Faye, have you read Shakespeare's "A Comedy of Errors"?Dean. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted January 26, 2006 09:22 AM
Not for at least thirty years...
Is there something I should take note of?IP: Logged |
salome
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posted January 26, 2006 02:14 PM
whose afraid of the big bad wolf?i'm not afraid.   ------------------
Whatever it may bring
I will live by my own policies
I will sleep with a clear conscience
I will sleep in peace
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MysticMelody
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posted January 27, 2006 12:14 AM
A favorite author of mine, who has studied Christian mysticism, teaches that everything (God) is love, and everything that is "not" love is illusion. From my own research and intuitions, I have concluded that we are all connected as One and we allow the illusion of separation so that we can experience life as separate beings and objects, in order to entertain ourSelf. If we allow our minds to take that illusion too far, we begin to feel the lonliness and oppression of being alone that we worked so hard to escape by creating this reality for ourSelf in the first place.
Those who have faith in the ultimate connection can "reconnect" mentally, emotionally, whatever, when needed, and those who choose not to believe or become too confused to believe can get a little "lost" and Symbolically float away from the source. When you are "away" from the source you think with your ego, seeing yourself as a small being, alone, which causes fear etc.There are a lot of people living in that "fear" that have created Systems to support their fear, whether it be a gang or an empire. This is a way of removing further from the source, which can also be taken to an extreme. This path has a lot of frightening aspects to it, which I equate with hell, evil and etc.
As for Lucifer, I have heard that the name means Light-bringer, and that it is symbolic of having challenging times and pain that bring people back to the source, or God, whatever terminology you choose, which follows along with the Job story. We all remember to meditate/pray the most when things are going crappy in our lives.
As for the other names, I tend to avoid any intense study of these things in order to avoid bringing any power to these ideas.
Speak of the .......... you know the rest. I've also heard it said that you don't get to the light through constant analysis of the dark. ------------------
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SunChild
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posted January 27, 2006 05:39 AM
Great post MysticMelody! I wish I had something to say, but I don't. Just enjoying reading all your thoughts!  IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted January 27, 2006 11:40 AM
MysticMelody 
EXCELLENT REPLY!!!!!!!!!
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Kat
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posted January 28, 2006 11:14 AM
Mystic Melody
It sounds as if your author studies The Course of Miracles. So far no one has any support of a"devil"-- as I suspected would happen at this site. I wonder if the world was exposed to this "Course of Miracles" philosophy whether the concept of the Devil would fall away completely.-- as it should. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted January 28, 2006 12:48 PM
"Course of Miracles"
HHHmmm.....I was not impressed.
Alot of folks around here treat it as their new bible. They sounds just as crazy as the Rabid Christians.IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted January 28, 2006 04:13 PM
Hi Everyone, I think there is a lot to be taken from the A Course In Miracles, just as there is a lot to be taken from any spiritual path. So much knowledge out there... so little time!!!  Well, or so MUCH time...One analogy that I like to use is a video game where you go around collecting pieces of keys. You search, you talk to people, you read books and if you go deep enough, you find a piece. At times you will get the final piece that you have been looking for to complete a key, and suddenly everything will fall into place, you will know you have completed a part of your "quest," you will "power-up," and then will take your new key to the door that had been previously "locked" for you... and open up new directions for exploration. For those who complimented my post... thanks for being so kind. It means a lot, and I hope to learn more from your sharing as well!!
I really love it here. ------------------
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MysticMelody
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posted January 28, 2006 04:28 PM
Sun Child, I decided to check your thread on Gratitude and wanted to tell you that I also found the effects on water crystals fascinating (I was given a link at some point)... the "ugly" words that made the twisted crystals were very telling. It's like physical, measurable, scientific proof of what we are all already learning. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted January 28, 2006 05:28 PM
I was not insulting you MM....
But the way folks in my area will actually evangelize and be VERY aggressive bordering on threatening about that "course".
They get very nasty and damn others in much the same way the other religious fanatics do.
It is creepy how they will follow one and shove pamplets and preach as one tries to get away from them.So...maybe all folks into it are not that way...but the ones I have encountered are.  Sorry If I offended...but that is my experience with the subject. I do not believe in alot of religious works...but I do study them.
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TINK
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posted January 28, 2006 07:29 PM
Kat, I'm still not certain what evidence you would deem acceptable. In the meantime, you can consider me a believer in "evil" - an objective evil apart from human perception, which I assume is what you're referring to. I don't often subscribe to the moral relativist philosophy.I'm not a fan of A Course in Miracles. But as Fayte herself pointed out yesterday, no one likes to be called a looney, particularly for their spiritual beliefs. There are many roads to Rome and we all need different things at different times so if someone gets something out of it which eventually leads them to a higher truth ... well then God Bless. I think maybe the best description of evil is that which is inappropriate to time and place. If the information in a Course in Miracles is the most appropriate lesson to a soul's progression at a particular time and place, what fault can I find with it?
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fayte.m
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posted January 28, 2006 10:14 PM
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If the information in a Course in Miracles is the most appropriate lesson to a soul's progression at a particular time and place, what fault can I find with it?>>>>>I agree TINK....
Just been approached by very very pushy folks who are into it.
If they get something from it...that is their business.
But I do not like pamplets shoved at me...messages on my answering machine....and preaching at me..about it or anything. This is my experience with those who do like it.....
Some were even Spiritualist ministers...and drug addicted! Not just casual user..but addicts! And Ministers to boot! Strange world indeed.
So again...my apologies for offending anyone. But it is looney to chase folks down and try to aggressively force anything at them. IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted January 29, 2006 12:23 AM
Fayte, you would have to smack me over the head with a two-by-four before I would think you were trying to insult me (or whatever word you used). I am actually VERY interested in any and all stories you have about fanatical Course folk! hehhehe, All I've ever got were Mormans and Jehova's Witnesses... but I tell them all to Come On In and share what they know!  IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted January 29, 2006 12:33 AM
Btw, Fayte, you were in the top ten LindaLand welcoming comittee for me when I first arrived here and honestly, I just couldn't like you more, unless I got to know you and found out even MORE nice things about you.
While I think there are a few people here who might like to give me a swat for all of my complaining about the Cancer's in my family... I just adore pretty much everyone here so far. Wise and kind real people who only sometimes misbehave what's not to like? IP: Logged |
SunChild
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posted January 29, 2006 03:04 AM
Hi MysticMelody, (great name btw)...glad you found this place, you totally belong here! 
I just noticed you around the board (I took a break from here for a few weeks)..and straight away I thought you'd be interesting!
You seem familiar to me, but so do many people here!
Anyway, glad you liked the Gratitude string.------------------
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fayte.m
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posted January 29, 2006 09:39 AM
MysticMelody
Thank you!
And I am with SunChild when she said you are somehow very familiar...but it could be as she said...so many here are....  Heh heh..I love it when the various door to door religion pushers come....
If they try to preach or give me flyers and brochures..tractates and so forth...I try to give them Spiritist/Humanist things back! The looks on their face are priceless! Oddly...they do not come back!(at least not to me in person) 
But a few I suspect of later doing vandalisms.
At present a person calling themselves psyche-eros is pursuing me to be friends. Not the first who has done such a thing.
So I tend to be cautious about getting too close to folks too fast.
I was too naive and internet unsavvy here at first. I think I have a few stalkers.
Could be honest folk...but having been brutally stung by at least two here.....
I hope you can understand my jaded hesitation to talk freely.
Thanks again for saying such nice things!
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TINK
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posted January 29, 2006 06:40 PM
I totally understand, fayte. I've never yet run into a Course in Miracles devotee, but it seems to be my destiny to attract Jehovah's Witnesses. At first I would politely as possible said, "thanks but no thanks" and shut the door. That doesn't always work though, does it? So I tried that other strategy you mentioned - I turned around and engaged them. I pull out damn near every esoteric theory and obscure reference I can dig out of the ole' grab bag and throw it at the poor slob. It's time-consuming but amusing.Now they thank me politely and walk away. IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted February 01, 2006 12:10 AM
Hi Sun Child Thanks! You seem to know your stuff, I like your quote Maybe my energy is familiar because you have a Venus/Saturn friend? It would be neat if I could find some soul connections with people here who share my interests.
Fayte and Tink, hehe The Jehovah's and Mormons also just stopped showing up for me too, hehe I honestly think that they took some of the ideas and philosophies that I shared with them, and spoke to their church elders about them, and were promptly told to, Run - screaming for their souls.
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Kat
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posted February 06, 2006 06:14 PM
Fayte,
Anyone who is pushing the Course of Miracles has read it incorrectly. It states that you should not be attached to even what it teaches. I've met some Course fanatics and they tend to be extremist New Agers who feel that this world is literally an illusion and like to try to shove this philosophy down everyone's throat and then say nothing when one of their followers decides that recyling isn't worth it because stuff is an illusion.I think there is validity in the course when it makes the distinction of coming from either a place of love or fear. Unfortunately everyone is at a different point in their spiritual path and mistinterpretation is likely. The course does a great job of causing confusion and sounding like "official truth" this in turn causes people to take a rational studying approach rather than a heart centered one. Overall, I must say the course has been beneficial to me, but I have run into a few people who have caused great confusion in my life by their overzealous interest in the book.
By the way didn't you mention your from NE Ohio? If so, I probably know some of the people your referring to. IP: Logged |
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