posted February 19, 2006 07:08 PM         

I actually went through somewhat of a similar situation to you Eliza...I'm almost 30 now, but when I was in my early 20's I was ostracized from my family for various reasons and basically thought of as the black sheep.

I would hear the whispers during family get-togethers and they even had these mini-interventions trying to get me to believe that I would burn in the firey pits of hell if I did not return to my Christian upbringing. I had people praying for me and the whole time I just kept saying that I was not against them and that I believed in God and in Love, just not the God as written in the Bible; just not a God who would be so judgemental that s/he would torture those who did not follow rules and obey, and yadayadayada.

I think souls who choose these paths of "bootcamp" spiritual enlightenment, however they choose to experience that on earth (and there are many ways), also choose to receive what we call the 'hard knocks' of life on the physical plane. Being full of love and sensistivity needs to be guided by the understanding of what other people might experience. If you cannot understand from an experiential standpoint what someone is going through, how ever can you be of service to them?

I am quite sure that all of the unsavoury experiences that I have had in my life have only prepared me more fully what is to come later. Since my path seems to be one of healing and possibly teaching I can only be grateful for the sadness and loss because it allows me to truly understand the energies of life on earth more completely and at the same time learn how to then re-connect with my centre/spirituality when I need to find that balance. And one day I presume it will somehow end up as a part of what I am able to give back to the universe.

After all, there is a difference between loving someone when you get along and they love you back and loving someone who tries to make you feel small and insignificant. It is so much more challenging to love the person who makes it difficult.

Anyhow, just some thoughts that veered a little off track there, but I think may in some way reflect your experiences with your family and the world at large!

Peace!

Love xo

posted February 19, 2006 08:30 PM         

My birthday is June 23, 1976. I actually laughed when I saw your b-day since about one third of all the people I am close to are Scorpios. All the men I have been with in the last 2 years have also been Scorpios and the most recent one has the same b-day as you! Lol.

Yeah, the whole indigo thing is definitely personal to each individual I think. It's the same as spirituality...no one person's is the same no matter how similar.

Glad you liked the topic. And rock on with your younger man! (I tried that, but he was 25 and the relationship was akin to eating a pie before it's been fully cooked. You KNOW it's gonna taste good when it's done baking, but until it is, eating it is just going to make you a little sick to your stomach.)

Peace!

posted February 24, 2006 03:57 PM         

AAhhh.....

There is a "key" here: "pure intention".
But many really do not want to know for that reason, but for mere entertainment and idle curiosity...
And also, again I ask...how does one explain something to another who has no point of referential experience?

And that "different" knowledge has resulted in the execution of folks who "spoke out" in times past, and were/are ridiculed or locked up, in the times since.
It is sad to have to say this...but it is dangerous even in this day and age to tell of that which may not be understood or worse...offend to the point of homicidal rages!
I am sure some here may know exactly wherefrom I speak!
And being that I disagree with the first part of your reply Valcap..I will not comment on that. I am sorry if that offends you or anyone else.

posted March 01, 2006 09:38 PM         

I had someone (who I believe is very psychic) tell me I'm a Starseed.
Whatever.

Was reading one of these "Indigo" books (not that they're all the same, but I dont know which one I was reading) in the store the other day, and it said there's a government-funded agency in China that finds and educates children with psychic gifts. It says there's over 100,000 of them right now. I think most can read what's written on a piece of paper by holding it against their ears, armpits, or the soles of their feet. Some can remove (and replace) letters from sealed envelopes, pills from bottles (without taking off the cap), and objects from the stomachs of cats (go figure).

One little girl is hailed as an incarnation of Guan Yin, for her ability to (allegedly) cause an entire field of flowers to bloom with a gesture of her hand.

pchan33 -

I wanted to recommend this to you:
"The Science of Mind"
by Ernest Holmes

posted March 01, 2006 10:32 PM         

But, its confusing...

One moment,
I am reading about her frustration with people who say "I can't wait to be like you", because, according to Laurel, everyone already is like her, she's no different, we just have to believe it, etc.

She seems to repeat this point often
(at least, I only read half a dozen pages and came across it almost as many times).

The next moment,
I am reading about "The Seven Stages of Awareness", and Laurel says, "but don’t compare yourself to me - I started shifting early so that I could be here to write this for you to read!"

So, which of Laurel's truths should I accept as Indigo gospel?

1. The only time is NOW.
So, dammit, stop playing ignorant, and BELIEVE!!!!

2. Progress takes time.
Practicing believing makes believing perfect.

----

Not that this means anything.
We are all full of contradictions.

posted March 03, 2006 06:17 AM         

Ive just been reading some of the replies to this thread and Id just like to explain what I meant by the 'us/them' analogy that I used. I accept that I should have perhaps clarified it and I can also see now in bold print with that appears a little crass.

Firsly, I was not referring to 'Indigos' as being 'us' and everyone else as being 'thems'. I have been using this term for years with friends who know me very well and I use the phrase very much in a tongue in cheek way. Its teasing myself a little bit, to actually use the 'them and us mentality' thing as a bit of a joke on myself. Its a little bit ironic.

Secondly, the reason behind it is I have never been one to follow the crowd and follow a career path and a 'normal' life of house, car, bigger better car, bigger better house etc and this is the lifestyle choice that I refer to as 'thems'. Its because I dont feel or indeed want to be a part of it. Yet I work to get money to pay my bills and I work for a blue chip company so I am surrounded by career types - this highlights it further for me. So, yes, I have felt very different from people who see life in this way. Im not suggesting this is wrong, just different and not for me. What I do find is that alot of people who choose this way seemingly think it is the only way and have trouble fathoming out why I have chosed to 'opt out' in my perception. People who work in the construction industry have little time for spiritual matters dismissing it as madness so I say little and dont feel as though I am being myself. I know I need to change but for the time being I am forced to stay.

Anyway, my original post was also in response to having JUST read much about Indigos where all or most of how I have been feeling (at a slight kilter with the rest of corporate career orientated world) suddenly rang true, it had a name. I was excited and interested and very fired up. I therefore 'spoke' in terms and analogies that were familiar and understood in their true intent and context with people who know me but I should have realised that those terms might not translate well in the written world on a public internet forum where people do not know the finer subtleties of the people posting.

I think my analogy has been taken to be more antagonistic and divisional than I have ever intended it to be, yet I can see that in the written word alone and with people who dont know my ironic and self derisional humour how it has been seen that way.

I can totally see how I have perhaps come across as a very different type of person to how I really am.

*Quote* Valcap,
I agree that the concept of separation with Indigos "us/them" exists. Any "Indigo" who feels special or important - above others probably still has lots of spiritual growth and needed insight to acquire.

One thing I would like to add to this is that my spiritual growth is my own between myself and universe and my God. I do not impose my spiritual beliefs on anyone nor do expect my spiritual development and insight to judged by others. Irrespective of how my use of terminology has been misinterpreted (with reason) I dont think its up to others to say I need to develop more - that is my path for me to follow. I was a little upset by this comment but I can see whats being said and why.

I do not feel special or important - most of my life I have been fighting very bad bouts of depressiona and low self esteem - I do however have considerable life experience which makes me feel different to many people in my peer group - just as a 40 years old feel different to a 20 year old because of the life experience. Im not suggesting I am better or of I did then I apologise and I used a completedly wrong choice of word.

I hope this clears it up a little bit and that I have explained what I meant and Id also like to apologise if anyone took offence at that. I was using the 'them and us' mentality thing and ironically playing with. Gentle satire, scarcasm and irony are always difficult things to convey in the written word and the phrase had become so much of my personal vernacular that I had forgotten that.

Once again - I can see that I should have phrased my post much better than I did. Id like to say, that in the nicest way possible, I dont need to win the approval of posters on this forum but nor do I wish to be misunderstood or seen in a way that does not accurately reflect my character.