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Topic: Does Evil Exist?
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Hexxie
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From: California
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 24, 2006 12:34 PM
 
Hi guys~ A friend of mine sent me a fabulous e.mail that I wanted to share: quote:
Did God create everything that exists? Does evil exist? Did God create evil?A University professor at a well known institution of higher learning
challenged his students with this question. "Did God create
everything that exists?" A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!" "God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied. The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created
evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works
define who we are, then we can assume God is evil." The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's
hypothetical definition.
The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the
students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a
myth. Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question,
professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?" "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been
cold?" The other students snickered at the young man's question. The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According
to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (-460 F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter
becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature.
Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel
if we have no heat." The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?" The professor responded, "Of course it does." The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not
exist either.
Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we
can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white
light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color.
You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world
of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space
is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light
present." Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already
said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's
inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in
the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil." To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it
does not exist unto itself.
Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just
like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the
absence of God.
God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what
happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like
the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when
there is no light." The professor sat down. The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll :::Libra Sun / 29* Gemini Rising / Aquarius Moon::: IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 4725
From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted February 24, 2006 12:47 PM
Thanks, that was awesome!IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3324
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
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posted February 24, 2006 03:39 PM
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted February 24, 2006 03:48 PM
who created all the vile things on Earth?on this physical plane? we humans did, and we've been feeding it our ego ever since..our fear our doubt..hatred..intolerance, judgement..all these are not of GOD.. we turned our back on GOD, GOD did not create anything but Beauty and LOVE... Go within..the truth is there and so is GOD..
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fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3324
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted February 24, 2006 04:42 PM
Concering God/LORD and evil FROM "him"......
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16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. 16:16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well. *********************************************
16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted February 24, 2006 05:21 PM
I guess people have to find someone to blame or point the finger at. ...IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
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posted February 24, 2006 06:03 PM
I am not pointing or blaming....it is all in the "Bible".... 
Weird huh?
I did not write it!  IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted February 24, 2006 06:05 PM
Who wrote it Fayte?those are certainly not God's words. ... IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
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posted February 24, 2006 06:10 PM
Heh heh heh..EXACTLY! SO "WHO" wrote the "BIBLE"?IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted February 24, 2006 06:12 PM
people, who like to point the finger and judge..and have people follow them through FEAR..IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3324
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted February 24, 2006 06:19 PM
A new book..."Misquoting Jesus"...a pretty good read and anything by the Reverend Shelby Spong too.Religion and superstition is the root of most or all evil as far as I am concerned...
Or should I say?...the interpretation and justifications for acts of violence and intolerance to fellow human beings not of each their particular religion. IP: Logged |
Hexxie
Knowflake Posts: 401
From: California
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 24, 2006 06:35 PM
Very interesting quotes Fayte! So it looks like the quotes from the bible and the e.mail are religion vs. physics... The way I choose to look at the bible is that it is a symbolic book with many layered meanings. Not a text book to be read as literal teachings. It is great for me to see the 2 opposite ends of the spectrum (so to speak) to help make me remain thinking outside the box 
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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll
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fayte.m
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From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted February 24, 2006 07:51 PM
You will find that I study ALL sides! I do not hold to one field of study, nor must I endorse a thing or agree to study it either.
Thinking outside the box and understanding requires a flexibility to look at things across the spectrum of ideas/concepts/beliefs and facts and theories.
No one has yet...
"found the elephant"...
or Schrodinger's cat for that matter!  
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/4/7/2 http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may2000/957364955.Ph.r.html
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TINK
Knowflake Posts: 2488
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted February 24, 2006 10:35 PM
I have no issue with the idea that God created (for lack of a better word because "created" doesn't really suffice but whatever) what we call evil. If we assume that God is omnipotent, we must give him final lordship over everything. Anything else is illogical.Not to say that evil isn't ... well ... evil. It is and should be resisted and fought. Of course.  I'm a firm believer in that. There seems to be a whole lotta gray area down here maybe, but decidedly less, I think, in other levels of being. good quotes fayte  IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 4725
From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted February 24, 2006 11:11 PM
I think, that God granted our wish..he gave our spirit a physical form, God gave us Laws..we had immortality..until one of those laws was broken..until the human race accepts blame for what it has created..good and bad..I think you see what's happening to our Earth now.. we were given a Perfect Earth, a perfect life, with universal laws..we broke them..not God IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
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posted February 24, 2006 11:54 PM
If we were immortal the world would soon become terribly unable to maintain the life upon it.
Unless no children were ever born.
This being born...living...and dying...
Is NOT a curse but a way we were given to grow and learn. In time...if humans become immortals, there may be no more need for children to be born. But is that a desired thing? Of course we could in time move outward from this world and overpopulation by immortals bearing new children would not be a problem.
Humankind is yet in its childhood. The saurians were around far far longer then the fraction of time the humans have been here on this planet. Yet they eventually passed out of existence here.
Were they not of God?
Paradise is all about us...all the things necessary to create a utopian world here on Earth are here already. But few can fathom this or choose to do so.
Humankind is still learning. Mistakes were made...are being made, and will continue to be made. But experience is a harsh and dear teacher....they will learn eventually and pass into adulthood. Who knows what would have bcome of the Saurians and even earlier creatures from the previous big extictions, such as the Gorgon, had the great meteor impacts not destroyed them?
The picture is much bigger and more complicated than a simple creation/sin concept.
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 4725
From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted February 25, 2006 08:57 AM
hmmmm
the Titans, Cronos, etc..the human race has been started over too many times to count..
How old was Abraham? Moses?when we lived with the natural time peace,we lived in connection with Heaven it was not separate..13 MOnths.. the point is the Earth Planet cannot survive, if we continue to poison it..
we will be wiped out again...
if we don't turn this around..the higher intelligience beings will help us to another planet that has been prepared.. Immortality is nearly impossible on this planet currectly, but it is certainly something that did exist as part of life, when we were in Harmony with God, we turned our Backs, we walked away, we thought we were Gods.. and the spirit never suffers death, so the only reason for the other planet is the save the physical beings, to bring back to Earth, when Earth is healed..this has been done at every fall..I believe.. Our Last Creation, after a fall, was Adam Eve, and 4 other couples..
the creations stories span bzillion's of years.. when we live by 12, months, hours
12 is the sacifice the Victim 13 months 28 days a mmonth, 364 days a year exactly..no leap year no half day..
this is when immortality, can be achieved..
living to 900 years of age, requires the natural time piece of GOD not MAN 12 month calendar made by man
13 month calendar part of the universal laws given by GOD this man must fix, it's unnatural.. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 4725
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 25, 2006 09:07 AM
we thought we were gods..let's say Our ego became inflated and we thought we knew better than GOD..or we ran in fear and ignorance, hehe
it's all written down, and will be discovered..
the Truth's will be revealed..we cannot exist in harmony, if we are not in harmony with Source GOD.. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 3324
From: ~out looking for Schrodinger's cat~
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted February 25, 2006 11:10 AM
John:
10:33
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? IP: Logged |
MysticMelody
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posted February 25, 2006 05:52 PM
If we all existed in perfect light and love, we would all have the complete understanding that we are all ONE.
God, (US) chooses to introduce the small self/ego so that we forget we are all one. It's BORING to be all ONE for eons and eons and endless time/space. So we play. Different energies at different vibrations/frequencies to basically rub up against each other so we can all get our jollies. We are all talking to ourselves, like a lonely cat lady. We allow the emptiness to "separate" us so We can play Our game. If you get too far from the "Source," meaning the higher concentration of light, you start to forget. Forget too much and you can really twist things up and try to start your own little world where you are God and you get to be judge and jury. You feel tiny and alone because you are cut off from the Source of your true nature and you start to fear and feel empty. Instead of regaining your light and energy from the Source you begin to desperately try to feed off of others. This applies to the living and to those without a traditional physical "body."
Or you might decide to start killing off those who are against you because you've decided they are unworthy of life etc. We all judge to different degrees, there are higher and lower frequencies and many people do move between different frequencies and people often match each other unless there is a huge discrepency in the energies, then it's like a subtraction problem. You meet in the middle of the "difference."------------------
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