posted March 12, 2006 12:27 PM         

But those who have gone before me;
were they real, or just a dream?

Was my Dad real, or was he a dream?

Was my past real, or was it a dream?

Of everything that has happened in my life up to this very moment, was it real?

When I pass on, will everyone wonder if I was real, or if I was just a dream?

Just trying to spiral thoughts here.

posted March 12, 2006 08:59 PM         

edited to add that I think dreams are a serious matter, and I don't want anyone to misinterpret my post as a joke.

posted March 12, 2006 09:07 PM         

It's that wish to go back and hold on to the past, the person, whomever they were to you. Such a close connection, a parent or a sibling or your child. They were there once and now they're in spirit.

An entire lifetime, no matter how long, is lost.

But it was real...because you're here and I'm here and without them, whomever it was that you lost you wouldn't be here.

Laura

posted March 12, 2006 09:57 PM         

I am having a problem keeping "connected" to my late husband who took his own life several years ago.

It was real, it will be real again, it can not be anything but real.

posted March 13, 2006 05:21 AM         

I love temporal art. I don't think of poems much, but here's one I thought of today:

I live for white lies
I live to discover the white that lies
Just out of reach
beyond the darkness.

posted March 13, 2006 11:56 AM         

Alernate "realities" exist and we focus on one at a time. Thus, at this very moment, depedning on your actions and thoughts, you and your husband could be living a happy life. In another life, you could have taken your life and your husband may be feeling as you do. And these are not including past lifelines wherein you two may have been sisters or brothers or friends or colleagues.

I do not know how to explain this, someday when you expereince the alternate dimensions through lucid dreams or past life realls, you will feel more at peace.

Yesterday, I was in one alternate of 2006, where my mother who had died of cancer years ago was alive but weak after being cured. But father was dead.
In this "now", my father is alive.

posted March 13, 2006 09:16 PM         

quote:

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Yesterday, I was in one alternate of 2006, where my mother who had died of cancer years ago was alive but weak after being cured. But father was dead.
In this "now", my father is alive.

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PChan ~ Thanks for your edit so I know you weren't making fun!

I have had a lot of death. The weird thing is, when you remember someone who used to be here, who isn't here now, it's strange, like, were they real? I know I already asked that but I just feel like stating it again.

posted March 14, 2006 04:24 AM         

In our DNA, we have collective race memories, familiy memories and our own memories.thought patterns. Constantly releasing the accumulated guilt, pain, self criticism, low self esteem and self suffering/punishment tendencies is thus the need of the hour for this particular reality.
After sufficient release work and communication with Higher Self, you will slowly and steadily get some past life recalls, lucid dreams, dreams showing alternate realities and so on. But after a while they are not necessary as you will be on a happier evolutionary path.

PChan, I read all your articles, but your graphic early experiences at "near death" will prepare you for these books:
Aghora 1,2,3 by Robert Svoboda. Lots of Vedic material, it will be challenging to wetserners in the eginning but if the author could manage, then everyone can.
The actual source of the information is Vimalananda and he will push your limits of Psychological Knowledge and test your personal strengths and ethics of whether your you will accept subjective realities of another human being or stick to objective assessments of the scientists.

You will also appreciate and learn a lot from "The Stellar Man" by John Baines.

Nephthys, I have expereinced several kinds of dreams. Some dreams are such that there is no difference from the real world until a memory of this reality makes me awaken to this reality and I find myself awake from sleep. These occur when I awaken and then quickly fall asleep again in semi drowsiness.
Interaction is very high and one can feel every sensation and act "normal" in such dreams. These are the alternate realities of current life.

Some dreams are such that I sense they are a dream and when I awaken, cant remember much. These contain events from the current reality, day to day occurances and so on.
Interaction is less, observation is more.
These are probably the REM sleep stuff where overworked neuron links get some rest.

Some dreams are pure emotional sensation. People and events are shown and an inner voice will tell the names of the present day contacts who were these folk. Clearly these are past life recalls and these get etched on awakening. They have always occured to me at 3:30 AM or 4:40 Am, no matter when I slept. Astrological aspects have a role in triggering these too as does OverSoul release work and yoga.

Lastly are OBEs or out of body expereinces. These are dreams where you know it is a dream and so can explore. This is actually the Astral Plane. Here thoughts immediately manifest as reality.

posted March 14, 2006 11:20 AM         

<<I mean, do you think we make choices like this in parallel lives, or they're just imagination? Do you dream about people you've never seen, but you know it's a dream? Like, its not the future, so who;s the person? More imagination>>
In my research and experience, the sum total of a certain chain of thoughts provokes the event. To actually create a parallel life would need something drastic and by many people's karma together. Something like a nuclear blast, an Atlantis type devastation and so on where a parallel world has to be created to continue the world. Possibly these worlds will be "reintegrated".

To keep the fun and element of surprise, the memory gets deleted from the present. Thus, if we lost someone we love in 1996, then depending on the sum total of thoughts and actions, we can wake up on March 11 1989 tomorrow morning and relive life without the memory of March 12 1989 to March 2006. But the spiritual imprinting will be retained and this will change our behaviour towards the loved one we lost. And the person wont die on 1996 but life will continue.

It all depends on what is deemed to be needed by us for optimal evolution. Deja Vu's can also explain this scenario.

Yes I have dreamt about people whom I met in the future. Those are premonitions where we are allowed a peak into the future. This could be like a memory test.

<< Lastly, you mentioned yoga, have you ever tried accupuncture? I recently went, and that night had such vivid dreams, and just felt great. I want to go again soon to see if more chi can be freed up! >>
Perfect! Accupunture is a great Chi optimizer, just like breathing in yoga.
The chi flow helped release some blocks and hence these manifested as the "Vivid Dreams" which are probably images received in clarity by your brain due to better pRana/Chi flow.

posted March 14, 2006 12:55 PM         

what's real is what exists in your heart.

a provoking movie, about parallel lives and the choices we make, and what loves become real, is Sliding Doors...

Writer/director Peter Howitt expands upon both possible fates of a character after she just misses/catches a train. The audience watches, with ever-growing fascination, how this one event impacts upon every aspect of her life: her future career, where she lives, whom she loves, and whether she has a family. As her separate destinies diverge and then re- converge, she becomes two completely different individuals.

That woman is Helen, played by Gwyneth Paltrow as a long, dark-haired Brit. One day, after losing her job as an advertising executive, she decides to return home in the middle of the day. The scene of the pivotal moment is a train platform. In scenario #1, she just slips through the sliding doors before the train pulls out of the station. On board, she meets the cheerful, talkative James (John Hannah), a Monty Python fan who is taken with her beauty. Minutes later, in her flat, she walks in on her lover, Gerry (John Lynch), in bed with another woman (Jeanne Tripplehorn). In scenario #2, she misses the train and, shortly thereafter, is the victim of an attempted mugging. She doesn't meet James and fails to make it home in time to discover Gerry's infidelity. Juxtaposed one against the other, while sharing many places, cues, and characters, the two stories proceed in parallel from there.
http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/s/sliding.html

what's interesting about this film is how the overall pattern of the protagonist's fate, in essence, remains unchanged. the question that occurs to me though, is how do these choices and consequences affect our soul, or soul's journey....and really, if this is even a relevant concern, as our souls will garner the experience and love that they require, regardless and outside of the boundaries of space and time. very nice film.

also about the reality of dreams, or the dream that is our reality, consider the following ~

We dream in a higher frequency of thought and light than our physical experience. Therefore when we slow down our frequency as we return to our conscious awareness to the physical mind and body - we often do not have the means to understand what occurred in dreamtime.

Once consciousness enters - the physical mind - we return to the 'realms of forgetfulness' about who we are and the nature of a soul's experiences. Our thought processes move too slowly. Many view the physical as the dreamtime - as a result - as we are no longer aware. they see reality as a dream.
http://www.crystalinks.com/dreams.html

love, light and high vibrations for all...
salome

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I want to turn the whole thing upside down
I'll find the things they say just can't be found
I'll share this love I find with everyone
We'll sing and dance to Mother Nature's songs

posted March 14, 2006 06:33 PM         

LQHunk I have had all kinds of dreams too, includeing OBE's.

More thoughts on Those Who Have Gone Before Us;

Those Who Have Gone Before Us have entered the next world.

Those Who have gone before us have finished their lessons on this plane of existance.

Those who have gone before us can see our future which we cannot see.

posted March 14, 2006 11:16 PM         

Nepthys, I sometimes wonder "is this really happening?" in my day to day life since my dreams are so vivid. I just spent time with someone who I haven't seen in 6 months, and tomorrow I will wake up and wonder if it was just a dream. I know the feeling!

posted March 15, 2006 04:03 AM         

Frequency, Sliding Doors, Matrix 1, Truman Show, Star Wars, Star Trek, 2001 Space Odyssey.
Put it all together and we may have some insight into actuality.

posted March 21, 2006 05:08 PM         

death.........is rebirth..........into life..........is rebirth...........into death...........