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silverstone
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posted March 26, 2006 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
We are here to share, ok,:

Fayte/Lotusheartone tell me what you think? Lotus e-mail me if you feel is best-- I am pondering these statements:

Why a rose?... Mary (mother of Jesus) had been symbolized by the rose. The rosemary is named after her-- the word actually means "rose garden"

The four queens of the playing cards originated with the four queens of the Tarot, each of whom was dipicted holding the same flowers. Hearts originated with the suit of Cups, so Mary is the Queen of hearts then she is also the queen of Cups. Might there be some link between this and Robert de Boron's cup of the Last Supper, which also appears to have symbolized the Virgin Mary?

Mary (Mother of Jesus-- Around 20B.C. was born in Capernaum. She was the daughter of Matthias, the priest of Capernaum synagogue, and Anna (Mary's mother), a woman who could trace her descent from the royal house of David.

Some ten years later, Mary moved to Jerusalem, after Matthias was appointed high priest.

Mary (the mother of Jesus)was married to King Herod's first son, Antipater, the Roman-endorsed heir to the jewish throne. Salome, King Herod's sister, poisoned Herod's mind against his eldest son in favor of her nephew Philip, Antipater was arrested and killed.

Mary escaped and was smuggled out of the palace in the company of the symphetic Joseph.

Mary then gave birth to Antipater's son, Jesus, in Bethlehem-- the true heir to the jewish throne.

A mysterious star appeared in the skies that the Essenes of Qumran took as the long-waited portent of the Messiah's birth. Here they discovered Jesus and, learning that he was truly the king of the Jews and that his mother was of David's line, accepted him as the divine son of God, the piest-king who, it had been foretold, would unite and free the people of Israel.

Mary and Joseph moved to Nazareth where they were married, raised a family and made a prosperous living as a carpenter

When he reached his teens, Jesus left Nazareth to enter the Qumran monastery and began his training as the chosen Messiah.

Jesus gave his widowed mother into the care of Joseph, his eldest brother.

The Virgin Mary had a sister named Salome.

James, Judas, and Matthew-- were Christs first cousins

John the Bapstist was related to Jesus

Cheers,

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silverstone
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posted March 27, 2006 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Any feedback?

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fayte.m
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posted March 27, 2006 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry...but that was a mess.

There are bits in there..but the players and events are not correct. Like a formula for truth being mixed in with fallacy....
FFFFFFFtFFFFFFFFFFFtFFFFFFFtFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFtFFFtFFtFFFFFFtFFFFFFFFFFFF........
Your "Ts" are too mixed up in this mess. And are only tiny "t" not big "T".

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silverstone
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posted March 27, 2006 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Fayte,

So the names are wrong? Can you point out my mistakes, as you see them?

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LeoSweetHeart
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posted March 27, 2006 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoSweetHeart     Edit/Delete Message
I'd like to hear your feedback too Fayte, if ya don't mind. I love reading your posts

And silvertone, this is a very interesting thread you started!

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silverstone
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posted March 27, 2006 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks... please feel free to give feedback

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fayte.m
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posted March 27, 2006 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
SS.
We are here to share, ok,
FM.
In as much as we are able or allowed.
SS.
I am pondering these statements:
FM.
pondering is good.
SS.
Why a rose?... Mary (mother of Jesus) had been symbolized by the rose. The rosemary is named after her-- the word actually means "rose garden"
FM.
I was testing you. I am looking for past lives connections. And The times of Yeshua is but one of many.
Your observations on the so called Virgin Mary are very good from the perceptions of the prevailing mythos. But I was looking for something else. Thank you anyhow. Keep pondering please.
SS.
The four queens of the playing cards originated with the four queens of the Tarot, each of whom was dipicted holding the same flowers. Hearts originated with the suit of Cups, so Mary is the Queen of hearts then she is also the queen of Cups. Might there be some link between this and Robert de Boron's cup of the Last Supper, which also appears to have symbolized the Virgin Mary?
FM.
Your answers here may have significance for me and my theories and search for others of another time frame... But here is not of Yeshua's time but instead...I will give you this one...
The times of the Medicis and Borgias.
The Inquisition and the Castrati.
SS.
Mary (Mother of Jesus-- Around 20B.C. was born in Capernaum. She was the daughter of Matthias, the priest of Capernaum synagogue, and Anna (Mary's mother), a woman who could trace her descent from the royal house of David.
FM.
Mary (Judeo-Aramaic מרים Maryām "Bitter"; Arabic مريم (Maryam); Septuagint Greek Μαριαμ, Mariam, Μαρια, Maria; Syriac: Mart Maryam
She was born in about 18B.C.E. in Birthplace: Capernaum, a city of Galilee.
Her actual birthday falls on August 5, 18 B.C.E.
Her parents were Joachim and Anna/Joachim and Anne/Yoachim and Aniah or Joachim and Ann...take your pick.
Heli/Nabi Imran are also other names her father is known by. It all depends on who you ask.
Mother also known as Hannah/Hanniah.
Many have said she was of the tribe of Judah and the lineage of David (Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32).
But that is based upon error of some thinking she is the daughter of Heli.

Yoachim/Joachim, of the tribe of Judah and of the ancient lineage of David., was a shepherd in Nazareth...not a priest.
Anna's father was Matthan(Matthias), was a priest, who served just before the rule of King Herod.
The Virgin Mary she resided at Nazareth with her parents, after leaving Temple life...and before she became the wife of Joseph
SS.
Some ten years later, Mary moved to Jerusalem, after Matthias was appointed high priest.
FM.
Matthias/Matthan is her maternal Great Grandfather not her father.
She only ived in Jerusalem while in Temple.
SS.
Mary (the mother of Jesus)was married to King Herod's first son, Antipater, the Roman-endorsed heir to the jewish throne.
FM.
Ok...that is a mess...
Where on Earth do you get this?!
Quote:
"Mary (the mother of Jesus)was married to King Herod's first son, Antipater, the Roman-endorsed heir to the jewish throne."
????????
Ann/Anna/Anne/Aniah....was married three times. She is the so called Virgin Mary's mother. Her husbands were, Joachim,Cleophas,Salome.(..the name was both a female and male name).
SS.
Salome, King Herod's sister, poisoned Herod's mind against his eldest son in favor of her nephew Philip, Antipater was arrested and killed.
FM.
Another mess.
That bit is correct...but what has it to do with Yeshua or the Virgin Mary?
Herod the Great's son, Herod Antipas (who is also called Herod) . Herod the Great's sister Salome , not Herodias's daughter Salomé..the one who danced, and his stepdaughter. Antipater was Antipas's brother.
SS.
Mary escaped and was smuggled out of the palace in the company of the symphetic Joseph.
FM.
Mary the Virgin?
No.
SS.
Mary then gave birth to Antipater's son, Jesus, in Bethlehem-- the true heir to the jewish throne.
FM.
No.
SS.
A mysterious star appeared in the skies that the Essenes of Qumran took as the long-waited portent of the Messiah's birth. Here they discovered Jesus and, learning that he was truly the king of the Jews and that his mother was of David's line, accepted him as the divine son of God, the piest-king who, it had been foretold, would unite and free the people of Israel.
FM.
Too much mythos mixed in with part truths here..not going into it all right now.
SS.
Mary and Joseph moved to Nazareth where they were married, raised a family and made a prosperous living as a carpenter
FM.
After Egypt. And Yosef was more than a common carpenter.
SS.
When he reached his teens, Jesus left Nazareth to enter the Qumran monastery and began his training as the chosen Messiah.
FM.
Someone else did. Not saying who they were.
But NOT Yeshua Ben Yoseph.
He went elsewhere.
No further comment here.
SS.
Jesus gave his widowed mother into the care of Joseph, his eldest brother.
FM.
The older brother bit is a myth.
She stayed awhile with her youngest son.
SS.
The Virgin Mary had a sister named Salome.
FM.
Mary of Clopas is thought to also be called Salome. I think that an error.
This fits better....
After Joachim, the Virgin Mary's father dies...Anne marries a second husband named Cleophas, by whom she bore Mary Cleophas, and (after Cleophas's death) a third husband named Salome, by whom she bore Mary Salome.
But I do not believes that is the Salome mentioned at the crucifixtion.
That is another one.
Her identity?
No futher comment.
SS.
James, Judas, and Matthew-- were Christs first cousins
FM.
again a mess.
Christ is not a name! Which James? There are several. Which Mathew? There were a few. Which Judas/Jude/Judah/?
Again several of them. Some siblings..some friends..some cousins.
SS.
John the Bapstist was related to Jesus
FM.
Indirectly.
Confusion arose from this:
Salome is identified as being the wife of Zebedee, as John(the disciple) is identified as the son of Zebedee. The picture is then complete. Salome(Mary Salome) is identified as Mary's sister and John's mother - John(the disciple) was therefore Jesus' first cousin.
Virgin Mary's sisters were both called Mary.
But they really had distinct variations of that name...but all three have been Anglicized to be all "Marys" distinguishable only by their husband's names now.

John the Baptist and Elizabeth his mother are both distant cousins not first or second cousins.


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silverstone
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posted March 27, 2006 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, Fayte, I have to tell you, you had me laughing, as you say:

FM.
Ok...that is a mess...
Where on Earth do you get this?!

I like people with a sense of humor, and I truly respect your comments; that is only parts I have reaserached and do not post as valid truth!

Oh, The Virgin conspiracy is the name of the book

Oh, and yes, I know that Christ is not a name, sorry I forgot to mention that!

You stated:
"Your answers here may have significance for me and my theories and search for others..." I feel the same! I feel that many heads are always better than one and that is why ask for feedback!

Thanks, Fayte for your feedback, anyone else feel free!

Cheers

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silverstone
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posted March 27, 2006 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, don't get smart:

SS.
I am pondering these statements:
FM.
pondering is good.

Cheers

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