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silverstone
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posted April 02, 2006 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, this is for everyone's FYI:
JESUS WAS A LEO
MARY MAGDALENE WAS A AN ARIES
MARY THE MOTHER AN ARIES
PETER WAS AN ARIES
JUDAS WAS A SCORPIO
JOHN A PISCES
THOMAS A VIRGO
PAUL WAS A GEMINI
JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS A SCORPIO

THOSE ABOVE I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE CORRECT; FAYTE FIGURED OUT MARY MAGDALENE'S

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OSIRIS A LEO
ISIS A ARIES
NEPHTYS A SCORPIO OR GEMINI
SET SCORPIO, CAPRICORN OR ARIES (I THINK SCORPIO)

CHEERS,


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fayte.m
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posted April 02, 2006 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Well...I still do not agree but was trying to figure the riddle out from the popular mythos. Not my theories. Those clash seriously!
Wonder if I got it or not.

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
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silverstone
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posted April 03, 2006 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I agree Fayte, there is definately a meaning for all 4 poems combined...

I am also trying to figure it out...

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silverstone
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posted April 03, 2006 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
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AcousticGod
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posted April 04, 2006 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Jesus as a Leo? I can't imagine that.

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fayte.m
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posted April 04, 2006 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Even though DG's poem disagrees....

I feel Pisces
or Aries.
Not Leo.

Herod I, also known as Herod the Great was a Roman client-king of Judaea. (c. 74 BC - 4 BC March in Jerusalem).
Herod died at the end of March, or early April of 4 BC.

According to Josephus, Herod died not long after an eclipse of the moon and before a Passover. (Jewish Antiquities, XVII, 167 4; 213 3) Since there was an eclipse on March 11, 4 BC. (March 13, Julian), some have concluded that this was the eclipse referred to by Josephus.

When we consider the Annunciation of Christ (see Anno Domini) occurred March 25, just after Jesus's birth, it is possible that Jesus was born in late February-early March, during Pisces zodiacal period, followed by Passover. Two of the earliest symbols of Christianity were the symbol of the Ark, and zodiacal symbol of Pisces the Fish.

Another total eclipse of the moon occurred July 17, 1 BC, which could have marked King Herod's death. Before this, from February 1 BC to May 1 BC there was 3 months of a "Guiding Star" due to a near-conjunction of Jupiter-Regulus that was highly visible in the night sky [Onischuk-www.parkfoto.com]. This was followed by Jupiter and Venus conjunction in June 17-18 of 1 BC, which may have been interpreted by astonomer-priests as the sign of the birth of Jesus when the blazing "star" of the pagan gods Jupiter (King of pagan gods) and Venus (goddess of Fertility) were merged in the heavens, home of pagan gods. The annunciation could then have been delayed until March of 1 AD, on or near the spring solstice, an important time when all royalty, especially Kings, were announced for birth, so as to rightfully inherit the spirits of their ancestors and kingly predecessors during the springtime spiritual resurrection of all life [Knight&Lomas-The Hiram Key,1999]. Alternatively, it is also possible that due to the variable length of years of the Roman Consular calendar, that the perception of Josephus (not necessarily an astonomer) was that Passover was about to occur - this theory is supported by the Bible in passage(s) such as Mark 11:13 when Jesus cursed a fig tree that was barren as it was out of season - probably due to the same time shifted perceptions Josephus was given by the variable length years of Roman Consular Calendars.

Herod's date of death also indicates the latest time at which the birth of Jesus of Nazareth could have occurred. Herod's death is now established to have occurred at the latest in 1 AD [Appianos/Onischuk], and because Jesus was born before Herod died, the traditional day of Jesus' birth is not in doubt, but the year one to mark the beginning of the Christian Era correlates exactly with the original Julian Calendar, observations of Josephus, Roman Consular calendar year correction by Appianos, and Daniel Onischuk theories supported by verifiable astronomical data.

This all points to Jesus(Yeshua) being a Pisces,
not a Leo.

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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sweetsuccubus
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posted April 07, 2006 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweetsuccubus     Edit/Delete Message
according to my music teacher ( of all things... ) there is some kind of reference in the bible ( regarding lambs and placement of stars ) which only occurs in the summer months... he didn't say a specific month... i think it's also relatively important to realize that our calender was not their calender... i don't believe that evolved souls need to be "locked" into a specific astrological sign - they have the strengths of each sign becoming the "thirteenth" if you will...

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fayte.m
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posted April 07, 2006 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
As seen by these scholarly views...the determining of Yeshua's birth is subject to many factors and not all in agreement.
By these tokens he could have been a Pisces..Aries..Leo..Virgo..Sag..Cap..Aqua.

The date of December 25 was chosen to replace pagan holidays rather than actually represent the literal day of the birth of Jesus. Looking about we see that the birth of Jesus was announced to shepherds in fields who were keeping watch over their flock. This likely coincides with lambing season in the spring (late March and early April) when the ewes have given birth to lambs and the flock would need the extra attention and protection of the shepherds near by. While this hints at spring, it is not necessarily the case - some shepherds stayed with their flocks year round.

Another view:
According to the Mishnah (Jewish oral law written c. 200 A.D.), Passover lambs had to be born within the immediate vicinity of Jerusalem, with the limit being a short distance from Bethlehem. Lambing season is from mid-December though February. Male lambs born during this period, within the set boundary, and without defect were designated for either a Temple sacrifice or a Passover sacrifice.

Another view:
Scholars doubt that Jesus was born in December for several reasons. Luke tells us that shepherds were out in the fields at night, watching their flocks. This usually happened only in springtime, during the lambing season. Knowing this custom, then, leads us to place Jesus' birth in spring rather than winter. According to Old Testament law, the Passover lamb was to be a year old; the lamb slaughtered for one Passover festival was often born during the prior year's festival. This led to a Jewish legend that the Passover Lamb-Messiah-would be born during the Passover festival. Passover always occurs in Abib, the first month of the Jewish calendar, our March/April.

Another view:
Throughout history, theologians, scholars, and astronomers still struggle over the issue of the date and year for the Birth of the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ. Calendar revisions have caused dates, times, and seasons to be changed. It was the early scholar, Dionysius Exiguus (A.D. 525) who made the error for the interpretation of Jesus' birth. He set the date at A.D. 1, and coordinated Jesus' birth with the Feast of Saturnalia (a seven-day "holy or holi' -day feast ending with sun day) of that corresponding year. The feast was symbolized in color as "gold," and decorated in golden ornaments.
Thus, the Roman Church solved two problems of worship by combining them into one day: a celebration of the "sun" (Feast of Sol Invicta, the Unconquered Sun), and feast day for the birth of Jesus Christ, the "son;" and so today we celebrate December 25th as Christmas Day. This calendar change also combined the story of the shepherds abiding in their fields with the star from the East -- but it must be remembered that shepherds were not abiding in the fields during December. The sheep would have been been rounded up in October and November to be housed for the winter months, and the subsequent lambs are born beginning December through Spring of the following year.
Unfortunately, when Exiguus combined the days, he omitted the year "zero," between B.C.E. 1 and 1 A.D — so the calendar jumped from B.C.E. 1 to A.D. 1, thereby missing 1 year, the year "zero."
Dionysius' calculation error wouldn't be evident until almost 2,000 years later. The reason - One year after Dionysius' date actually made A.D. 2 and each year thereafter was subsequently off by one year calculation. As a result, the end of the Millennium occurred on Jan 1, 2000, and the beginning of the next, New Millennium, on Jan 1, 2001.
Most people are aware that December 25th is not the actual birth date for Yeshua Messiah, Jesus Christ. Rather, December 25th corresponds to the ancient Roman celebration of the Feast of Saturnalia, and the birth of the sun-god deity.
It is a day of remembrance when old things return to new, when age-old promises of peace will again rule the Earth, and all of this brought about by the renewal of the solar deity. The "sun's" birthday corresponds to the Winter Solstice marking the start of Winter occurring around December 21st.
Another reason to associate Jesus’ birth in alignment with the Feast of Saturnalia was to divert attention away from the ancient festivals of Mithraism, which happened to be near December 25, Christmas (natalis invicti [solis]), and one of the greatest competitors to Christianity at that time. The similarities to Christian worship caused great confusion among early Believers, and also paved the way for many erroneous doctrines to begin infiltrating into the Church.
The Feast of Saturnalia came to be associated with "birth days," and birth days were fixed according to the placement of the stars/constellations.
The Messiah, Jesus Christ birth would most likely fall between B.C.E. 2 but closer to B.C.E. 7....but, undoubtedly no one has the definitive date because of the problems with the calendar prior to A.D. 500 which weren't resolved until much later when "...in 1582, the Gregorian calendar was formally adopted by Rome" (Wisemen, 1849) (Pope Gregory XIII).
The only basis for determining Christ's birth is Scripture. According to the Bible (Matthew 2:1), and the historical evidence written by Josephus, Herod the Great was living during the time of Jesus' birth. ...Jesus birth coincided with the reign of Herod, and Herod died during a lunar eclipse in March B.C.E. 4 (or A.U.C. 750; A.U.C. being Anno Urbis Conditae,
in the year of the Foundation of the City--Matthew 2:1)...Herod's son ruled from B.C.E. 4 to A.D. 39.... (see Matt 2:19-22....
Herod was alive when the Magi went to inquire of the Child, Jesus was already born, but Herod had died when the angel appeared to Joseph in a dream (Matthew 2:19). When Herod was unable to determine the location of the Child, he ordered the slaughter of all the male babies under age 2 in the city of Bethlehem, and this is consistent with Scripture. This could not have occurred any later than 2 years after Jesus' birth. For this reason, this incident occurred near the end of Herod's lifetime, and places the date closer to B.C.E. 7 or 6. The birth of Yeshua Messiah more likely occurred in the Spring or early Fall, but definitely not on December 25th.

Another view:
The Birth of Yeshua During Sukkot http://www.lampholderpub.com/Magi.html#The%20Birth%20of%20Yeshua%20During%20Sukkot
http://www.lampholderpub.com/Magi.html#The%20Birth%20of%20Yeshua%20During%20Sukkot

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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