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silverstone
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posted April 24, 2006 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Very interesting... I thought to share this I was searching and found this piece of work...

The concept of eternal reincarnation might be threatening to most Christians, because it counters the doctrine of divine reward for good behavior (i.e. eternal life in heaven). It also implies that we must suffer unending cycles of corporal existence (i.e. punishment) in order to achieve eternal life. Such a concept would be difficult for the Church to sell to its flock. Therefore, the Church intentionally removed most references to reincarnation from the Bible in order to make the sting of death a one time ordeal, but it added the concept of an eternity in Hell as a consequence of unforgiven sinful behavior. And where is Hell? Isn't it where Satan rules: Earth? Why is Hell depicted below ground? Because that is where dead bodies are placed and from where our fears of death arise as ghosts. Why is Hell hidden from view and depicted as a subterranean world? Because we couldn't possibly face the truth. The Church also had to associate Christ with Perfection and humanity with imperfection. Moreover, it had to then introduce the doctrine of Divine Grace, or forgiveness, but forgiveness of what? SIN, or the Serpent IN us, something that is inherent in our being and which cannot be removed (cf. Saint Augustine's Confessions). Ironic, isn't it that existence in the flesh could have such polar (bad and good) consequences, but then that is the nature of the Serpent. The only way to break the cycle of reincarnation is through ascension to a higher vibrational level, and that requires unconditional love and forgiveness.


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I love this line: The only way to break the cycle of reincarnation is through ascension to a higher vibrational level, and that requires unconditional love and forgiveness.

Cheers,


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mysticaldream
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posted April 24, 2006 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mysticaldream     Edit/Delete Message
That is very interesting. I don't think what is taught by the "church" is what Christ intended at all. I live in the bible belt and the sermons here are all exactly the same. The minister asks if you died tonight do you know where you would spend eternity. Then HE (c'mon, I'm in Kentucky, you didn't think it would be a she, did you?)
anyway, he gives his most impassioned plea while music plays..... reminding you that you don't really want to burn in hell do you? Jesus has this really cool "get out of jail free" card and if you come up and say a prayer you will be eternally rewarded NO matter what you do from this point forward.
Now some people have a mystical experience with Christ but most people, since they believe they have this unshakable favor and don't need to grow, DON'T. I used to have a fear of hell myself, when you grow up having that concept reinforced. It always made me question God's integrity (another thing you can't do OR you will....... go to hell, of course). Now I truly believe that reincarnation is real. I wish more people here could see that truth; it removes the crazy concepts people have of God, Creator, Universe, Spirit....... or whatever term you prefer.

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fayte.m
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posted April 24, 2006 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I will hunt it down. But somewhere is reference to being BORN AGAIN from the LIVING WATER of LIFE.
Which =the amniotic fluid of a foetus in the womb.
And needing to come to God by being like a child newly born.

Sure sounds like reincrnation to me.

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
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The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
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BlueRoamer
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posted April 24, 2006 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
to all

Here's the question though..

If reincarnation, why?
If reincarnation, how?

Also, is it so hard to accept that maybe there isn't a higher power and man's in charge? Would it be so hard to take responsibility for our actions and make heaven on earth? To worship our fellow man as god?

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fayte.m
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posted April 25, 2006 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
BlueRoamer
How?
I am writing about that with several others.
Why?
I have an answer but let me give it some thought on how to phrase it without getting into a LONG LONG LONG rant.
The rest you said:
Quote:
Also, is it so hard to accept that maybe there isn't a higher power and man's in charge? Would it be so hard to take responsibility for our actions and make heaven on earth? To worship our fellow man as god?"


~*^Humankind is in charge. But most do not get that bit yet...always looking outward for some great someting to save them and fix it for them.
The ultimate denial of personal responsibilty on a global/species scale.
Paradise is all around but few can see it.
All the material for a "Heaven on Earth" is already here.
Like Dorothy looking outwards for the answers and finding she had them all along.
Home is where the heart is...or God is us. We are individual parts of God experiencing the human condition through each of us to someday have all parts in harmony living with each other as unique cooperative individuals.^*~
Ok..
Rambling over for now,

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~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte"
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 25, 2006 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Agree with everything you say Fayte. By how I mean to ask, what is the vehicle for such an interchange. This would imply a soul, but if such a thing exists, why has science not yet found it? If it does exists, how does it know where to go? By what method does it travel? This can get pretty esoteric but i'm sure you get my drift....

As for why, ya thats a loaded question, buddhism and hinduism try to answer that, but I don't find any of their answers to in the scripture to be satisfactory.

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Johnny
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posted April 26, 2006 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message
I've come to wonder if the Christian church is and always was a method for controlling the masses and stopping them from learning to think and grow for themselves. The entire concept of a "savior" who did all the work for humanity 2,000 years ago is about as much of a crutch as it is possible to come up with, I think. "Just accept Jesus and you're saved!"

And why is it that the Christian Churches (at least the fundamental ones, anyway) preach that all esoteric knowledge and occultism comes from an evil enemy of mankind? Is it possibly to stop people from growing beyond the need for a Christ-crutch that keeps the religious leaders powerful? Oddly suspicious, if you ask me.

I've also heard it said that the "serpent" that dwells within us all is not some inherent sin that all humanity is cursed with, but rather the Kundalini "serpent" that some claim lies dormant at the base chakra, waiting to be awakened. I'm not sure about this, but, from what I've read about Kundalini and the early Church, it is definetly an interesting concept.

But go figure.

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Moon666Child
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posted April 26, 2006 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon666Child     Edit/Delete Message
You have an interesting point Johnny. Talking about Kundalini, it is the energy that is resting at the base of pur spine, and the "serpent" imagery is given to it because when it awakens, it is supposed to energize our spinal chord and enter the brain for making the connectivity with the Higher Self / God as a permanent basis.

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