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Mannu
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posted August 20, 2006 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
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THE LONG EVENING shadows were over the still waters, and the river was becoming quiet after the day. Fish were jumping out of the water, and the heavy birds were coming to roost among the big trees. There was not a cloud in the sky, which was silver-blue. A boat full of people came down the river; they were singing and clapping, and a cow called in the distance. There was the scent of evening. A garland of marigold was moving with the water, which sparkled in the setting sun. How beautiful and alive it all was - the river, the birds, the trees and the villagers. We were sitting under a tree, overlooking the river. Near the tree was a small temple, and a few lean cows wandered about. The temple was clean and well swept, and the flowering bush was watered and cared for. A man was performing his evening rituals, and his voice was patient and sorrowful. Under the last rays of the sun, the water was the colour of newborn flowers. Presently someone joined us and began to talk of his experiences. He said he had devoted many years of his life to the search for God, had practised many austerities and renounced many things that were dear. He had also helped considerably in social work, in building a school, and so on. He was interested in many things, but his consuming interest was the finding of God; and now, after many years, His voice was being heard, and it guided him in little as well as big things. He had no will of his own, but followed the inner voice of God. It never failed him, though he often corrupted its clarity; his prayer was ever for the purification of the vessel, that it might be worthy to receive. Can that which is immeasurable be found by you and me? Can that which is not of time be searched out by that thing which is fashioned of time? Can a diligently practised discipline lead us to the unknown? Is there a means to that which has no beginning and no end? Can that reality be caught in the net of our desires? What we can capture is the projection of the known; but the unknown cannot be captured by the known. That which is named is not the unnameable, and by naming we only awaken the conditioned responses. These responses, however noble and pleasant, are not of the real. We respond to stimulants, but reality offers no stimulant: it is. The mind moves from the known to the known, and it cannot reach out into the unknown. You cannot think of something you do not know; it is impossible. What you think about comes out of the known, the past, whether that past be remote, or the second that has just gone by. This past is thought, shaped and conditioned by many influences, modifying itself according to circumstances and pressures, but ever remaining a process of time. Thought can only deny or assert it cannot discover or search out the new. Thought cannot come upon the new. but when thought is silent, then there may be the new - which is immediately transformed into the old, into the experienced, by thought. Thought is ever shaping, modifying, colouring according to a pattern of experience. The function of thought is to communicate but not to be in the state of experiencing. When experiencing ceases, then thought takes over and terms it within the category of the known. Thought cannot penetrate into the unknown, and so it can never discover or experience reality. Disciplines, renunciations, detachment, rituals, the practice of virtue - all these, however noble, are the process of thought; and thought can only work towards an end, towards an achievement, which is ever the known. Achievement is security, the self-protective certainty of the known. To seek security in that which is nameless is to deny it. The security that may be found is only in the projection of the past, of the known. For this reason the mind must be entirely and deeply silent; but this silence cannot be purchased through sacrifice, sublimation or suppression. This silence comes when the mind is no longer seeking, no longer caught in the process of becoming. This silence is not cumulative, it may not be built up through practice. The silence must be as unknown to the mind as the timeless; for if the mind experiences the silence, then there is the experiencer who is the result of past experiences, who is cognizant of a past silence; and what is experienced by the experiencer is merely a self-projected repetition. The mind can never experience the new, and so the mind must be utterly still. The mind can be still only when it is not experiencing, that is, when it is not terming or naming, recording or storing up in memory. This naming and recording is a constant process of the different layers of consciousness, not merely of the upper mind. But when the superficial mind is quiet, the deeper mind can offer up its intimations. When the whole consciousness is silent and tranquil, free from all becoming, which is spontaneity then only does the immeasurable come into being. The desire to maintain this freedom gives continuity to the memory of the becomer, which is a hindrance to reality. Reality has no continuity; it is from moment to moment, ever new, ever fresh. What has continuity can never be creative. The upper mind is only an instrument of communication it cannot measure that which is immeasurable. Reality is not to be spoken of; and when it is, it is no longer reality. This is meditation.


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Mannu
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posted August 20, 2006 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Juniperb,

I bumped in to Krishnamurthi's teachings few days ago. As you are aware that I mentioned, I have stopped my own search here on earth, and this life. I wish to say all that this genius man has already said and has said it much much better than me

His words strikes the right cord in me, hence I am so pleased to post his teachings here at Lindaland. I am sure not every one will feel the same as me about JK's teachings, but I still thought its important for others who are wondering what I'm reading these days

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posted August 20, 2006 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu..do you converse with your overSoul in Heaven?

when we look at history and these teachings..one must remark..that there are not many female teachers..and that this is what the world needs..the feminine essence..has been missing. ...ignored..

the best teacher's..would be a male and a female couple..twin-Souls..who are completed..and have OverCome the gravity of this Earth Plane. ...

my onion..peel away... .

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posted August 20, 2006 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Well lotusheartone, when within you is the world, what is Male and Female then?
Are they seperate? No, they are together in one person. You must go beyond superficialities of the world and look inside a teacher. Its no use talking because you have to experience it yourself. Cheers.

To me, Heaven and hell is a state of mind. When your mind becomes sacred you will experience. Declutch your mind to experience the freedom. The silence of the music makes the melody pleasant. One must seek that silence that the mind is evading.


Those who have kept the mind sacred has overcome them all including gravity.
Cheers.

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posted August 20, 2006 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps..Men SEE differently than Women?

Do you converse with your OverSoul in Heaven?

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posted August 20, 2006 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu..you said..you had stopped you search here on Earth..I guess my question would be..how can anyone stop searching..learning and growing go on forever. ...infinity 8

beware..be aware..of the teachings of the false God..2 in 1..but still separate..opposites..yin-yang. ...

it takes two baby!

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posted August 20, 2006 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Hehehe..... Its my own conclusion
NFC...

May you find what you seek Theres nothing for me to learn here on earth, I said. Its all crap here.

I speak with God everyday hehehe....... Everyone can if they want to-- LOL

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posted August 20, 2006 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
There is nothing for me to learn here on Earth..Mannu..this is a false statement. ...

perhaps you are conversing with the false God?

each OverSoul is paired in Heaven side by side..twins. ...

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posted August 20, 2006 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
I'm conversing with mySelf and myHigher self. No I do not believe every one has a twin. Thanks for your concern. As I said, I have looked hard....Its an empty world. I'm not depressed or anything. Its just that I like my quietness and I want to increase my taste in every activity that I do. Soon I am planning to give up reading as well .... Ok....no one follow me plz...Hahaha...

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posted August 20, 2006 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
I too have pretty much exhausted reading..for the truth is within..and sometimes reading can confuse the Truth that is within..
you just know..when it's something you should read..it pulls you..the energy is high. ...

I promise you..each has a twin..God created male than female..mates, and so on and so on and so on... .

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posted August 20, 2006 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
think of Noah's Ark..and the symbolism. ...

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posted August 20, 2006 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
We ain't animals dear. Anyway, this thread is abt JK's view on meditation. If it ain't your truth fine. I'm most interested in people who do like his viewpoint and hence the post. So no further comments until you are on track.

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posted August 20, 2006 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
and human's..

have a lovely string. ...

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posted August 20, 2006 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
thx for your co-op. I didn't know this guy had inspired so many people like Dr. Chopra, etc.... such an enlightened and original soul had walked amngst us. I'm glad I read of him towards my end of journey

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posted August 21, 2006 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
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As I said, I have looked hard....Its an empty world. I'm not depressed or anything. Its just that I like my quietness and I want to increase my taste in every activity that I do.

Mannu, you will find happiness I understand you. You will find the road that leads to your heart, buddy. It is a tough world but people like you helps the world not be empty.

Sorry if I got off topic but I noticed your above comment!

"The heart has reasons that reason does not understand."
~Jacques Benigne Bossuel

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Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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posted August 21, 2006 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu, I had not read J. Krishnamurti before.
Thanks for posting his writings and the link.

I do agree with what I've read here.
That new thought/creation comes from the still quiet~ the God within. It has also been called the Divine Spark, Divine Muse or Divine Madness. If you think of artists, for example, the Muse of inspiration is often thought of coming from an outside source that compelled them. But really...that Muse is always within us. Such as an enduring flame, whose flames burst higher with our own internal awareness. Where we aim our focus, from the most silent part of ourself.
Think of Einstein...his theory of relativity first came to him in a dream, as with many other's new inventions and artistic visions.
While dreaming, the utilitarian mind is at rest and the soul is fully awake. The mind is absorbent rather than posturing.
If your mind is busy, could it truly be receptive to receive such gifts? I imagine someone receptive, still, listening...open, yet alert for stimuli (tastes )


the end of your journey?

Mannu, you've yet to begin your adventure.

echoing what silverstone said.
(and the same of you, silverstone)


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posted August 21, 2006 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu

Lia I also responded to your comment in the Astrology forum. You are a Sagi, dear! And very observant

Lia~

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but I can usually sense the deepest yearnings and strugglings of someone's soul
by the very subtlest shift of emotion in their eyes or breath.

Wondering which kind of 'observant' you mean.


Aha! That's observant to me dear, Lia! that kind of observant, I mean... the one that captures the most subtle, silent, and insightful, magical moments; the unforgettable ones. The moments the matter the most are those to me

P.S. Thanks for the picture you posted of me in Universal Codes... I forgot to thank you!

By the way, Lia, is your ascendant in Pisces? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010141-2.html

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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posted August 21, 2006 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Lialei and Silverstone ,
The two lovely beings I met here in Lindaland in my humble opinion.


Silverstone, I read that post. Thanks for those wonderful graphics.

Lialei, "End of journey" - was a metaphor. I'm not going anywhere....hehehe....Me and my pathetic sense of humor. I'm just being spacey may be. But of late, I do feel like becoming a hermit for some time. I tend to absorb negativity of every person I meet physically these days hence the thought. Einstein cudn't have thought of the theory without Maxell's experiments. We all reach our goal catching each others hands.

Have to catch a flight .......gotta go [didn't spell check or checked for grammar]

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posted August 21, 2006 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
On the male/female thing, I once read a brilliant line (I think from a male astrologer). He said, "I'm half woman," and justified it by stating that he was the product/child of a man and a woman. It's very simple, but I like it.

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posted August 22, 2006 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
AG, Thats a nice analogy. I liked it.

No one can recognise the foetus baby if its going to be a male or a female for the first few weeks. Only down the line the harmones kicks in and gives shape to the baby accordingly.

Physically, a man has XY chromosome and a female XX. So their children will be boy XY or if a female then XX. Interestingly the Y is missing from female.

Spiritually, the female is likened to mind. Always expanding, vascillating. The male is the intellect. Controls the mind otherwise the mind will annihilate. The mind leads to poverty. To humiliation.
In the gnostic bible we hear of apostles complaining to Jesus , how can Mary Magdalene enter the kingdom because she is a female. And Jesus replies, he will make her a Male. Its not a physical transformation. But a spiritual one.

In the story of genesis, in the second creation. Eve comes out of Adam. Eve represents the mind. The mind wants to taste the apple (to experience the matter world). But Adam, the intellect resists. God is dissapointed with Adam mostly than eve in that story. Adam is cursed. This represents the fall of each Man.

Begotten God (i.e. the story of first creation in Genesis, has an equal male and female principle. They seem two but in reality are inseperable and acts as one.)

Christ the son comes from that realm of beings according to me. This world was created by Christ and the world knew him not. So christ/satan are the same. He then came as Jesus in flesh to redeem us, but the world denied him again.

The battle in this world/lives we live is not our individual battle but of the Son too. Each one of us must do our part and the rest will be taken care of.

Ok, words cannot describe the unspeakable. The above is a close approximation. So please bear

What has this got to with JK? I don't know abt his views on Christ? I just shared my opinion.

Cheers.

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posted August 22, 2006 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Hope that explains why detatchment is increasing in me. One by one, my obsession with the things I love of this world is dying. I hope it is for good. But I feel good and thats what matters to me.

Still many steps to go though....

cheers for listening to me


Lialei, Regarding the dream world. Yes, I have been experiencing it a lot these days. I feel like never returning from there Hehehe....

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posted August 26, 2006 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to leave your kind words hanging (been hermatizing the past few days myself).

Silverstone
There is an entire 'unseen' world of observancy, isn't there? Inbetween all words and actions, into the more quiet spaces that doesn't pronounce its existance. Its meant for us to care enough to decipher. And so often misunderstandings are only for not listening to the quiet of unspoken intentions. Within the quiet is understanding.
How often does someone say something,yet in their heart is another meaning? And a happy face doesn't always mean joy. I've always been fascinated with Eyes. Words and guestures can lie, but the eyes seldom can.
Windows of the Soul

My ascendant isn't in Pisces (it's in Taurus)but Neptune is conjunct my Sun.
Chiron is in Pisces as well. Not sure about other asteroids. I only pay focus to a select few.

I sense that you are very observant yourself.

**edited to add that there is another picture for you and Mannu in the "images--how I see you guys" thread in FFA. I think page 29? well to save you time, around that number somewhere anyway. glad you liked the picture.

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posted August 26, 2006 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Mannu, very kind of you to say that about silverstone and I. The same goes for you, and so I'm relieved the 'end' was a metaphor. Your serene/knowing presence has become a comfort to me over the years here.

I think I emphasize your impulse to withdraw from the world. There comes a time when all of the ego-dramas and meanderings everywhere seem to begin to weigh you back from traveling towards the frequencies you are naturally progressing towards. I'm looking for that balance myself...somewhere inbetween witnesser/doer, needing/needless.

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Einstein cudn't have thought of the theory without Maxell's experiments. We all reach our goal catching each others hands.

Very true. He had already digested Maxell's theories, so he had that foundation of inspiration to grow from.
I believe that studies are so benefitial to us, for they take us somewhere we are striving for and we retain the truths and knowledge we absorb.

Einstein's dream was not a specific equation to relativity. When he was an adolescent, he dreamed a dream of traveling down a large hill in a sled, picking up speed~ faster and faster. He remembered especially the stars above him in the dream and how the speed of his traveling seemed to meld the stars above him into a spectacular colorful morphing vision.

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posted August 26, 2006 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
His dream was a spark. He knew intuitively that there was something amazing, magical and special within it. Some mystery he needed to unravel. This dream remained with him, thorughout the years and he never forgot it. In his later years of life, he claimed credit to that one dream, for it was his inspiration to explore the mysteries of time, speed and space, combined.

But...without his prior love for and attained knowledge of physics and science (and Maxell's experiments), Einstein may have shrugged his dream off. And he wouldn't have had a present step to step from.

Knowledge can be benefitial and it can be a hinderance. It can go either way.
Contemplation breeding further contemplation, without reception/clearing/openness becomes stagnant. You will find yourself rounding back to the same questions again and again. It seems acquired knowledge spurs onto break-through transending NEW thought, in the moment that knowledge is also dropped and you open yourself to tap into Original Mind. We all have the potential of Original Mind. But there is so much static and confusion of aquired thought~~other's thoughts, clouding our perceptions.
Einstein tapped into his Original Mind. Which is (I believe) is actually the Universal Mind. (infinity/God).

Dreaming lots? Any adventures you'd like to share? I like hearing dreams.
I've had insomnia and broken sleep for some time, so I've been dreaming less these days. (not remembering them anyway )

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posted August 26, 2006 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Lia

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I've always been fascinated with Eyes. Words and guestures can lie, but the eyes seldom can.
Windows of the Soul

Yes, indeed! The eyes are the windows of the soul. The eyes can communicate so many wonderful and meaningful messages where words are inconsequential.
Where silence is magical and all one needs
is to look at someone's eyes and simply know--the light of knowing; without the need to ask; without the need to hope. The eyes are a treasure we should adore.

Quote from Lia to Mannu:

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I think I emphasize your impulse to withdraw from the world. There comes a time when all of the ego-dramas and meanderings everywhere seem to begin to weigh you back from traveling towards the frequencies you are naturally progressing towards
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So true, Lia, it echoes this:

To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under the heaven.....a time to be born.....a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together.....a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing...
Ecclesiastes 3:1-5

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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