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Lialei
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posted August 30, 2006 12:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been struck by this writing of Osho's since I first read it.
I think most of us can relate to Judas' logic in seeing Mary pouring her fine oils on Jesus as wasteful, considering it's material worth and what good could have come from using it for others. Judas' plea was logical. And it was from good intention on his part.
Maybe if we were honest, we could see ourselves making the same conclusions as Judas in a similiar situation, without understanding that the worth of the oil wasn't of as much consequence as the supreme love felt from Mary's heart in that moment.
It was her heart she was offering Jesus, not oils.
For Jesus to reject her offering, would have meant to reject her love.



Conscience

Mary Magdalene and the priceless perfume


Society goes on telling you, "This is right, and that is wrong"--that is conscience. It becomes ingrained, implanted in you. You go on repeating it. That is worthless; that is not the real thing. The real thing is your own consciousness. It carries no ready-made answers about what is wrong and what is right, no. But immediately, in what-ever situation arises, it gives you light --you know immediately what to do.


Jesus went to visit the home of Mary Magdalene. Mary was deeply in love. She poured very precious perfume on his feet--the whole bottle. It was rare perfume; it could have been sold. Judas immediately objected. He said, "You should prohibit people from doing such nonsense. The whole thing is wasted, and there are people who are poor and who don't have anything to eat. We could have distributed the money to poor people."

What did Jesus say? He said, "You don't be worried about it. The poor and the hungry will always be here, but I will be gone. You can serve them always and always--there is no hurry--but I will be gone. Look at the love, not at the precious perfume. Look at Mary's love, her heart."

With whom will you agree? Jesus seems to be very bourgeois and Judas seems to be perfectly economical. Judas is talking about the poor, and Jesus simply says, "I will be gone soon, so let her heart do whatsoever she wants and don't bring your philosophy in."

Ordinarily your mind will agree with Judas. He was a very cultured man--sophisticated, a thinker. And he betrayed--he sold Jesus for thirty silver pieces. But when Jesus was crucified, he started feeling guilty. That's how a good man functions--he started feeling very guilty, his conscience started pricking him. He committed suicide.

He was a good man, he had a conscience. But he had no consciousness. This distinction has to be felt deeply. Conscience is borrowed, given by the society; consciousness is your attainment. The society teaches you what is right and what is wrong: do this and don't do that. It gives you the morality, the code, the rules of the game--that is your conscience. Outside, the constable; inside, the conscience --that is how the society controls you.

Judas had a conscience, but Jesus had consciousness. Jesus was more concerned with the love of the woman, Mary Magdalene. It was such a deep thing that to prevent her would be wounding her love; she would shrink within herself. Pouring the perfume on Jesus' feet was just a gesture. Behind it, she was saying. "This is all that I have--the most precious thing I have. To pour water won't be enough; it is too cheap. I would like to pour my heart, I would like to pour my whole being...."

But Judas was a man of conscience: he looked at the perfume and he said, "It is costly." He was completely blind to the woman and her heart. The material is the perfume, the immaterial is the love. But the immaterial Judas could not see. For that, you need eyes of consciousness.


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geminstone
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posted August 30, 2006 06:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awsome!! Lialei~ Great post! Thanks.

~ geminstone

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Mannu
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posted August 30, 2006 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post!!!

Very often we have to choose the lesser of the evil choices presented to us and the wise/or conscious person exactly knows what to choose.


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posted August 30, 2006 02:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again...
Those shadings...
What may be right may be a wrong under different circumstances and what may appear wrong may be right under other circumstances.

As dawn turns to day
And day turns to dusk
And night comes
And dawn returns again
And the noon and the midnite
Forever separated by
All that goes between
In shadings of light to dark.

Shadings are normal in all things.
Balance.


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Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind!
~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
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fayte.m
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posted August 30, 2006 02:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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fayte.m
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posted August 30, 2006 02:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Things are not always as they seem and right and wrong are often seen differently by many.

Linda made out of lexigrammed words I found in her name.

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Age is a State of Mind. Change Your Mind!
~I intend to continue learning forever~Enigma
~I am still learning~ Michangelo
The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.~Enigma
The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.~NEXUS
Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.~Enigma
In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.
-NEXUS-

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Mannu
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posted August 30, 2006 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did't mean to say the choices were evil ....Not sure why I said that ...Let me explain.

From Mary's perspective, that example is simply a case of pure devotion. Mary has love for her Master. She gives the best she cud afford as an offering out of her love.

From Jesus's perspective, he longs for such a devotion than anything else. When you feed the poor, they are happy for some time and forget about the grace of God and soon back to their deeds. Ungrateful creatures.


Ok....to each his/her own. Such stories always speaks differently to each one.


But I will still maintain:

quote:

Life is really about choosing the greater good and lesser of the evil.


Some religious viewpoint is that Mary knew about the coming treacherous night for Jesus and was comforting him.

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cat71
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posted August 30, 2006 06:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great article Lialei

I'm just musing here, but when I read...
"...He said, "You don't be worried about it. The poor and the hungry will always be here, but I will be gone. You can serve them always and always--there is no hurry--but I will be gone. Look at the love, not at the precious perfume. Look at Mary's love, her heart."..."

I thought maybe there's also a message there about showing your love while you can, like ceasing the day, if you love someone you should show them even if it costs you to do so.
So often in life people deeply love one another and for one reason or another are fearful about showing that love - usually fear of rejection - but the risk of being rejected is far less than missing your moment and always looking back thinking 'what if...?'

Like I said - just musing...

Oh and great pics Fayte

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salome
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posted August 30, 2006 06:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lovely

thanks for posting this Lialei

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Mannu
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posted August 30, 2006 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummm, that was nice cat!!!

Also, even though God is everywhere when He comes near to you in flesh or however, one can feel the peace ....thats wonderful.

So also with enlightened ones or divine ones.
When theres sunlight all over we go searching for a tree to give us shade.
When we need love, we go in search of a guru who wud show us the way

Cool reaffirmations!!!! Theres also a story of the two sisters and Jesus and how one of them was complaining about the other.

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posted August 31, 2006 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see it the same way as Cat, valuing what is important - the person, instead of a material object - which can be replaced. What's really important in life are too easily lost and irreplaceable..

Thank you, very good post!

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silverstone
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posted August 31, 2006 02:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The oil is a representation of her love.

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Charlotte
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posted August 31, 2006 03:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lialei,
Beautiful thread...
You also possess consciousness.

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May the angel of your higher s-elf, guide you always.

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Psyche-Eros
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posted August 31, 2006 05:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The third chakra assosiated with receival of psychic energy, ability to telepathy, extra sensory perception, ...

In accupanture tradition the spleen ( this chakra) controls the reception of someones ideas, and weak or unprotected chakra - inability to discern what one' own thoughts and the thoughts of others.. )))))

In Sanscrit its named Manipura - city of Jewels, governes development of ego identity i the world. If person operates from third chacra - preoocupied with his goals in possibly at the expense of others. The lesson of the third chakra - to stay tru to yourself!

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Lialei
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posted August 31, 2006 11:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

How lovely are all your replies.
Shadings, risks and choices in each moment (cool thoughts, cat, fayte and Mannu).
Psyche-Eros, yes, going with what feels right to you, even if it would mean going against the entire world's perception of what is "right".
It takes a braveness that sometimes would defy all supposed reason...but to not is going against the natural impulses our of True Selves, which comes from an inner realm, not concerned with the acceptance of this world.

Maybe I was so affected by this story, thinking back (as we all probably can) to the times when I might have offered such a innocent loving guesture to have it so coldly scrutinized.

Consciousness would look into the shadings, and understand that the scrunity might have come from fear, or protection. Consciousness would try to understand the other's place of perception~ their personal hopes and fears.
Do we really intend to hurt each other? or is it that we are so busy protecting our own selves from hurt that we cannot discern, nor accept innocence?

Yes, Mannu, I believe that Mary's offering was a selfless guesture, meant to comfort.


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Mannu
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posted August 31, 2006 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Lialei you rock

We also have a parallel story in hinduism. Its when Ram (an incarnation of Vishnu) decides to visit Shabri (an old woman).

Shabri decides to serve her Master Ram with berries. But she wants to be certain that she does not serve bitter berries to her Master. So she tastes each one of them and offers it to Him. People around find it disgusting. But not Ram who eats it with a smiling face.

I hope that I didn't spoil the original hehehe....each culture has a story of God/divine beings adventure here on earth and preserved for us to read and imbibe within us the priciples behind them. Amazing....


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posted August 31, 2006 07:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mannu - I think that's lovely
It's like someone once said, there's a little bit of truth in each religious train of thought, if only we could find this common ground we'd be a much happier blue and green rock joyously dancing around the sun

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...to have been loved so deeply, even though the person who loved us is gone, will give us some protection forever...

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posted August 31, 2006 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lovely!!

I liked that metaphor "blue and green rock"

Was thinking also abt "the third rock from the sun"

I feel dizzy imagining sitting on this rock and going round and round the sun....Hehehehe...

What do you all say revolving spirits ...hehehe (now smiling wickedly)


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Lialei
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posted September 01, 2006 02:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also like the phrase 'swirling blue orb'.

Ya know you Rock too, Mannu

yeah, it's amazing, isn't it, how similiar are the basic moral to stories, even though they come from entirely different times or religious cultures.
One collective Mind?

but yeah...that is pretty gross haha

He definately showed appreciation and cherish.

hey, while here and because I feel rude not getting back to you,
I'm glad you liked and kept the picture I posted for you. Close guess, ay?

g'night

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Are you around Lialei? We come together, we fight (or rather we play an act of fighting) , we split but in the end we all reach the source; living harmoniously waiting for other souls to join us in the merry

Anyhow, in response to the first thread.:

Yes, consciousness makes us respond as opposed to react to situations. Hence Osho will always say be original and authentic. Do not fear. The mind is always fearful. It is a barrier in you reaching higher consciousness.


It was important for Jesus to not say to Mary. Out of 500 only if one is able to understand him, his lessons, he will feel satisfied. all masters looks for a situation in which this possibility exists. Hope in her Pouring of the oil, Mary learnt something that day. It was only meant for her. Judas would not have understood it. You too may not understand reading about it. We are all unique and respond differently to a situation.

"Upanishad" means at the feet of a living master. Situations arises and much understanding and learning is accomplished.

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