posted November 05, 2006 10:00 AM         

I edited out of respect for what you said....and for the fact that your children or others may be reading this thread.....it maybe was a little too extreme.....sorry......!!

I would be a hypocrite if I left if there wouldnt I....?

And i still think the after effects can be quite profound.....kids may think they arent being affected by stuff at the time, but months or years after, images can be triggered from films...

We so need to protect them from this stuff until they are old enough to choose...

I aint angry at my mother for burning that book...I feel she did it through love...she was very psychic too, she could probably feel the energy coming from it...that it was harmful to me....she was in tune with me....she loved me....whether she did right or wrong...she was being a responsible parent.

There are things about her that I didnt agree with, but now as a parent myself I think she did the right and loving thing...

Isnt it called parental guidance or something?

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"It's basically saying to them, "I have no faith in you."

What agegroup are we talking of here though. I was referring to you being allowed to watch the Exorcist at aged EIGHT.....and then you going onto say that children should be allowed to discern things for themselves...at what age? I am curious as to what you meant? Maybe I will learn something from this....?

posted November 06, 2006 01:14 AM         

I don’t talk of my children much here, but to give a better description of where I stand and how I feel, I’ll explain a bit. I do monitor everything my children watch on TV, etc. They know they aren’t allowed to watch stuff without my ok and they always ask if it’s ok first when they want to watch something they haven’t seen before. Sometimes I do allow them to watch shows that I’m not crazy about (My Fairy Oddparents, Jimmy Nuetron...god, those shows annoy me). This is an example of how, even though I don’t think they have the greatest message for kids, I still let my kids watch them sometimes. They like them and think they’re funny. I know they’re good-hearted souls and far too good-hearted to become corrupted just for watching them.

I don’t think they’re yet old enough to watch the Exorcist, but when that time comes in a few years, I will have to let go and have faith in them. Not that that’s ever easy as a Mother to do...but intuitively as they grow older, we feel out when its becoming time to begin loosening the reigns of control, so that they can grow their own minds and wings.
You said you believed what your Mother did was out of love....and being Neptunian myself, I can certainly understand and appreciate when pure intent behind actions is recognized.
But, also Loving is the intent behind a Mother who would respect and honor her child’s decisions and freedoms, while having faith in them.

When I was a teenager, my mom found ‘The Satanic Bible’ under my bed. At the time I was just exploring that sort of thing, philosophically at an objective distance. I’ve always had multi-interests going on all at once, being Sag, so I was probably also reading about New Age, Zen, Catholicism, etc. But at that particular space in time I got a brief fascination in Magick, so I was reading Aleister Crowley, Necronomicon, The Black Arts, The Satanic Bible, etc.
Well, just before my Mom discovered the book under my bed, some strange ‘occurences’ had happened around the house. One thing was, as she was vacuuming one day, she saw something out of the corner of her eye and looked up to see a tall, dark long-haired guy, all in black, with a black leather jacket enter my bedroom and then the door shut. She was the only one home at the time, so needless to say she was a bit freaked out. She slowly walked into my room and, no one was in there, except my cat who was laying on my bed all big-eyed with his ears back, looking like, “WTF was that?” When she told me about this later, and she described the guy to me, it sounded just like my ex-boyfriend, who I had just found out had died in a drunk-driving accident. He always wore a black leather jacket...he had long dark hair...he was tall...
(This all gets to a point eventually....)

So, when she found the book she brought it to me and asked me if I would remove the book from the house, because weird things were happening and she thought the book might be producing negative energy....
I said, “ok. The book didn’t impress me. It was like any other organized religion. They have their rules and regulations, right/wrongs, dos/don’ts ....only thing is they worship a different god.”

I never believed in the Devil, so reading the Satonic Bible didn’t influence me in any way. I wouldn’t have worshiped something I didn’t even believe existed. It was just a book. I read it.
My Mom approached me in respect, open communication and trust. She was fearful of it....something I couldn’t entirely understand, but I did respect that it bothered her, even if it didn’t me. If she would have reacted extremely and burnt it, I would have felt entirely hurt and offended.
Hurt that she didn’t trust me; my abilities, as a good-hearted person to choose the right thing...nor trust me enough to confide her honest feelings to me.

You mentioned Sensitivity. That some people are more sensitive than others, so their being sensitive makes them more prone to being traumatically effected by horrific images, etc. . I don’t agree that Sensitivity and Fear should be equated as the same thing.
Anyone who knows me closely, knows that I’m a highly sensitive person. I take everything...every little slight, unjustness, hurt, or harshness in life, entirely to heart. Things most people don’t even notice, crush me quietly inside. Beauty, Compassion, Honor and Delicacy is Everything to me. I’m a romantic poet...a delicate artist Soul.
But I’m not a fearful person. I’ve always been fascinated by the darkest depths of existance....and always liked challenging myself to push past boundaries. Whether this means balancing on high beams, jumping out of windows, going to the seediest sides of town (sometimes alone), taking off on an unknown adventure cross-country. My eyes have seen a lot of things....but I’ve never ever lost my innocence. In fact, I think my entire life has been a challenge to try to corrupt me of it,
but I tell you, it would never be a horror movie or a book....it will be humanity and the coldness of it that always would test my Hope.

Because, as I look around this world, and see how superficialities are glorified over sincerities of heart. How loud voices and false flatteries are chosen time and again over more tender, honest expressions. How the True soul of a person seems to have little significance next to images....this is the most horrific of things to me and the hardest to shake. I can sit with the heartache of knowing that most probably even people I have truly cared for would turn away in an instant forgetting all the heart I’ve ever shown, for a momentarily glittering illusionary twisting.

What does this have to do with the topic?
Well...it does have timely pertinence to anyone out there, quietly watching the wheels themselves....the patterns, the clues, the comings and goings and wondering and caring about some things.. Maybe we’ll keep tracing the circle in reTurning until we figure it out.
Don’t know if there are any wheel-watchers out there or not....or if anyone is ever really paying attention, but perhaps it might have timely meaning somehow...even if just to someOne.

posted November 06, 2006 02:59 AM         

If you dont mind my asking, what did you mean by theses words, (excuse my curiosity and questioning, but I was just interested....if you dont mind)? It is obviously something you need to express and am wondering if it refers to something that happened to you recently, or maybe it is something that has happened to you often? Please dont think I am prying...just wanting to learn. My biggest tool for growth has always been through communication with others, (the living and those who have passed). Books, somehow, didnt hold my attention as much...people always fascinated me!!

Sorry I am getting off topic!

""""How loud voices and false flatteries are chosen time and again over more tender, honest expressions. How the True soul of a person seems to have little significance next to images....this is the most horrific of things to me and the hardest to shake. I can sit with the heartache of knowing that most probably even people I have truly cared for would turn away in an instant forgetting all the heart I’ve ever shown, for a momentarily glittering illusionary twisting""""".

I hope you are feelling better and I too cannot stand My Fairly Odd parents...yadda yadda yadda....aaaarrghhhh...

Thanks

posted November 06, 2006 04:58 AM         

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Don’t know if there are any wheel-watchers out there or not....or if anyone is ever really paying attention, but perhaps it might have timely meaning somehow...even if just to someOne.

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posted November 08, 2006 12:00 AM         

Exorcist is my all time favourite horror movie. I first watched perhaps at the age of 13. I watched the rerun when I was 27 and could not sleep the next night as I was **** scared hehehee.... I did what I was supposed to do then, take the bible and keep it under my pillow heheheh.....

I had a epiphany this halloween when I realized there are spirits out there who is not affected by the cross gesture, bible or anything religios. I suddenly questioned wow, imagine what happens when these bad spirits can enter and leave human realms at will.

I guess Silverstone and SueG are opposite extremes of scorps. There are some scorps who like to watch horror movies and there are some who just can't. I also know a personal scorpio friend who does not like to watch horror movies as he gets scared afterwards... heheehe

Lialei, awesome experience....wow... do you notice lights going on and off when some other spirit is in the room? It happened to me and not sure what to make of it. I think some people can control energies in the room around them and its a good sign. Perhaps they can be good exorcist. Is your mother a strong personality?

Cheers....

posted November 08, 2006 02:26 AM         

Thanks, Mannu, I had a great time.

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted November 08, 2006 08:26 AM         

I used to LOVE horror movies, but got my fill of em.....prefer porn now and comedy and tragic love stories....Wuthering Heights, Somewhere in Time etc.

You and Silver should be a double act....very funny ye are...!!!

posted November 10, 2006 10:04 AM         

teaselbaby, {{{astral hugs}}}to you
and thank you for sharing that.

Mannu,
yes, lights flashing is a significant clue (as long as your wiring is ok ).
Electrical devices are very vulnerable to spiritual interference. Baby Monitors, for instance can be an open channel. (although, keep in mind monitors can pick up neighboring homes with other monitors on as well)
My Mom is a strong character I would say.
She's gentle, compassionate and kind,
but just don't *uck with her, or you'll be in for a surprise. We're somewhat similiar in that way, although she can get more swept up in her anger.
She has a remarkable gift with sensing/reaching/ being open to spirits...as I and my grandmother share--Native American Indian lineage. Although I think her gift with this is greater than mine, whereas mine are greater in other areas.
But she is also fearful of her gift and the things it brings, so she shuts things out.
I've told her, I think the potentials are amazing if she were to get over her fear and be more open to it.

Like the experience with seeing the guy enter my room. It wasn't evil or negative in itself. He was a good-hearted person...just visiting me. He wore all black, but he was harmless. It was her own fear of the unknown that brought about the feelings of 'negative energy'. Know what I mean? We distort experience with our own subjective impressions.
Oftentimes the message is distorted by this as well.

Do you really believe evil entities can enter us? I believe negative 'energy' can if we open and allow...but I guess I don't believe any one Entity is Evil, alone. Or that we could be so vulnerable nor helpless to be overtaken. I know a lot of people believe in this...that we can even simulataneously have other souls within us during incarnations...but this has never felt true to me. Just curious to your thoughts.

posted November 10, 2006 12:23 PM         

I'm so glad you have a gr8 mom.
Theres a saying because God can't be around you all the time, God gave you Mom so they can be with you all the time.

Since theres some electricity generated internally in our heart, I believe, its possible for entities to possess us if we allow. I have seen on local television channel, real life stories of unforgiving spirits who resort to eye for an eye after their death. The evidences are too good to be not true.

Bruised dead spirits do not leave the place where they were murdered, and use the body of the one who is visiting that building lets say, to walk to their crime perpetrator and take revenge by killing them. Somehow the space-time is so warped in the area of the crime that the soul does not leave from that place.

Its not fair for me to call them bad spirits. Perhaps they are lost. But if I was the victim, I would have forgiven and moved on. I don't know what happens to our state when we die? Do we think as we think now when after death? Hehehe....

Personally I think its not good to be possessed. The fourth chakra is opened when we realize our uniqueness in the Creation. If theres too many souls inside, how can we ever learn of it. Jesus used to say, that when one bad spirit leaves your heart(home), he goes back and brings four others to dwell in that house. Not sure if he was literally speaking of evil spirits or simply commenting on how habits gets addicted. Alcohol leads to drugs to sex....etc...

BTW, wheres Fayte, I am sure she has a lot of wisdom in this area.

posted November 12, 2006 04:03 AM         

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Do you really believe evil entities can enter us? I believe negative 'energy' can if we open and allow...but I guess I don't believe any one Entity is Evil, alone

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I'll say this much: As much as I would like to say that evil entities cannot enter us, I cannot. I've seen too much. I believe that
it is possible for evil entities to enter us; many cases (not all, but "many") of depression or mental illnesses are actually the case. Only that... in the medical field they diagnose people with depression or mental illness. It is even more easier for entities to enter if one allows fear to take over. On the negative energy, I agree, only if we allow it and if we give others our energy.

Shamanism has good insight on this.

Never fear--Never let fear grow--it is an ILLUSION we create, if we let it...

Sorry if it is not too clear--I'm in a rush... I'll be back

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted November 12, 2006 01:43 PM         

Just being a pot stirrer here. Would love to hear and your and others comments.

Cheers.

M

posted November 12, 2006 09:57 PM         

Very funny, Mr. Maggu! Many (some) cases not all! Alcoholics and Gay people I didn't mention... heehee..

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.