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However, though the interval between reversals of the Earth’s magnetic field can be as short as 5,000 years, it can also be as long as 50 million years. There does not seem to be any logic or rule governing the planet’s behavior.

(From Lexx's link):

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/02/27/6900064_Magnet_Pole_Shift/

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anyone know stuart wilde? the beginning of this is a sales pitch, the man never misses a chance, but the bit about the payments is very interesting! the rest is down a road he's been travelling for some time now...he has also pointed out elsewhere that if the poles shift you had better have a cave or underground place to hide in because the winds will be thousands of mph for a few days...

Stuart Wilde
October 2008

Dear A List,

Here is an article the Redeemers Club people liked, and below is a link to my house in Australia that is up for sale for 2.5 mill'.

It is very large and mystical. It has thirty spaces or rooms, secret passageways, a Japanese bath house, a pool on the roof and a small guest's cottage. The Sacred Beings said a year ago that the house will survive the Renewal, it will be one of the only structures in Oz that does. They also said that a special person with a great energy will buy it. So, I thought to stick the details below, in case that person is on the SW A list.

The strange thing is, if you can pay a deposit and sustain the mortgage for a few years (not many), you'll never have to pay for the most of it, as there won't be any banks after the Renewal.

Cool eh?

Sincerely,
Stuart Wilde

To view a video tour of the house, click here.

Or, to view the property listing, click here.

Then click "Residential Property". Then go to page 3. It's the building marked "Santa Fe on the South Coast".

Bye for now SW.

The Long Sigh
Stuart Wilde

I'm often up at 3 a.m. in the night, as that is when the Hindu Gods are around, and I see visions of them in their golden, beaded headdresses. Sometimes important things happen at that special time, 3.03 a.m.

Two nights ago at that time, I heard a long sigh; it was as if the Universe heaved a sign of disappointment. The pathos in that sound was extraordinary. The exhalation of air spoke of a thousand rivers that never reached the sea... a myriad of stars that were never born... little birds that fell out of their nests... and humans that were swept away. I was so moved, I held back my tears.

I wondered what else I might do to support Gaia better, to love her more; to be of service with greater diligence and care, to stand in the line stronger than ever, no matter what. I called out the names of all the Aluna soldiers I know that are still standing, and I called out the names of all the Gods I know of. I said a sacred prayer, and I trembled a bit. I'm not sure why. Inadequacy, I suppose.

And a white owl flew over my head and landed in a tree next to me, and I remembered a river in Africa that does run to the sea, that my father took me on. And I felt his love for me, that I was often so uncomfortable in accepting. I apologised for that lack over and over. He was a kind man. He'd understand.

Then, the next day, out of the sunset came a Solar Being that said, "Disloyalty is punishable by death."

Eek! Serious, I thought, bloody serious.

I took it to mean that, if one betrays others, then one's soul dies in perfidy and duplicity, because you have betrayed yourself, and the lack of integrity needed to hold the various parts of us together; drives us to degradation, a lack of wholeness, separation, isolation, and fragmentation.

Then the Solar Being came back the next night and said that it was not just a soul-death, as I had imagined, but an actual death in 3-D... coffins, funerals... the 23rd Psalm, valley of death, etc., etc. Then the Being gave me the exact death to the day of a person I know, an evil man.

Eek, eek, double eek! I wondered why it had all become so fatal.

It was explained that the Renewal cannot broach any evil; much is swept away BEFORE the Renewal, not only at the time of the Renewal. This early sweep is what the Seven Vials in Revelation are all about. The Renewal is spotless. Any degradation or any attempt to abduct or use other people or control them with fear or bewitchment is not allowed.

So, I asked what could be done about it, and I was told, "Remember the Israelites".

Recently, I was on a small hill at night at 3.03 am. I called the little hill the Mount of Olives. It seemed a sweet title for such an unimportant little hill. I heard an Aluna voice say, "Will you forgive the Israelites?" I saw a vision of four Rabbis wearing blue and white shawls of some kind. They came out of a crowd of 600 people towards me, and they bowed and asked for forgiveness. I said, "Sure, fine, of course".

I didn't know what they thought they had done wrong, but I was happy about it, as I felt their love, and they had a warm humility in the matter and a proper contrition.

Then, I was at the Golden Buddha statue at Battersea Park, London, praying. A Hindu God came to my mind's eye, and I heard Parvati. She is the second consort of Shiva.

She said, "These are the three deaths Mr. Wilde" —the death of the lie, the death of illusion and the physical death. I think in the olden days people could get away hiding their shadow forever, but now with the quickening of the Morph and the approach of the Brave New World, you have to become true and real. You have to drop the illusion of your perfection, or some sort of collapse follows. So processing the lie and the illusion has been a good tactic for readers and my students, albeit it was a hard thing for us all to do. I had to do it as well, no one is exempt.

Those that didn't manage it fell away, but lord knows it wasn't for the want of me trying.

I have sighed the long sigh so many times; I can deeply feel the pain of humanity and the animals. It manifests as an etheric ache deep inside my bones. It's in the core of one's being, no pain killer can fix it. It never goes away. The pain is there twenty-four hours a day, every day, even when I sleep. I have gotten used to it, but I kind of want humanity to hurry up now.

Eddie Izzard, the comedian, was right when he said, "Cake or death." Absolution or destruction; all other alternatives have been cancelled for a lack of interest. Thou shalt not dither. Absolution comes from your humility and being genuinely sorry for the hurt you've caused others and the animals.

I am not sure why I have been given the right from the Aluna to absolve people, I certainly didn't ask for the privilege, but I have a feeling it's going to be bloody useful. Otherwise, how on earth do people complete and escape? Plus for you to be absolved, someone has to take away your pain and make it whole in the annuls of eternity.

Maybe that is what the long sigh is, the moment when your pain finally leaves you, and only love is left behind.

We'll sing our Redemption songs after all. Blessings-a-plenty will descend to make us whole once more. We'll make sure of that.

© Stuart Wilde 2008 www.redeemersclub.com

Please do not reply to this e-mail. Mail sent to this address cannot be answered.


© Stuart Wilde 2008 - For more articles and visions please visit www.stuartwilde.com

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posted July 20, 2009 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.2012predictions.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012
http://www.2012predictionsblog.com/
http://www.december212012.com/


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posted July 21, 2009 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BiBi DeAngelo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/000166.html

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posted August 05, 2009 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ariefairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Read 'The Atlantis Blueprint' (you work in a library should be noo problemo...' Its very interesting, and has a hugggeee abundence of info on the pole shifts...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlantis-Blueprint-Rand-Flem-Ath/dp/0751531006/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249501539&sr=8-1

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posted August 05, 2009 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ariefairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aaah sorry got blue roamer and blue moon all in a muddle...but still...read the book! :P

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posted October 12, 2009 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just caught my attention. Figured it might make an interesting topic in this discussion. I personally don't have an opinion on this either way (so much to sift through that's interesting) though I am glad to have read what one Mayan elder's views are.


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2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist

By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer Mark Stevenson, Associated Press Writer – Sun Oct 11, 3:58 am ET
MEXICO CITY – Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades — the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However — shades of Indiana Jones — erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy

Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity — a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."

The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091011/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_apocalypse2012

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From what I understand, what happens in 2012, in part, will have to do with what we as a collective think will happen. We are shaping and molding the the future change or outcome with our thoughts right now. Supposedly the "powers that be" know this and I think it's pretty irresponsible for a movie to be made like this, putting fear and doomsday scenarios into people's heads. This is how we are controlled. We need to rise up and realize our innate and untapped power and the part we play in all of this. Unfortunately many people are slipping into fear or thinking negatively.

I happened to come across this last night, while looking for info on the pineal gland:

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The 2012 Connection

First a bit about 2012, a date many have heard about. According to Carlos Barrios, anthropologist, historian, and investigator who was initiated as a Mayan ceremonial priest and spiritual guide, "Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions . . . but they do not read the signs correctly. . . . Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed."

Carlos Barrios goes on to say that the transformation will be both spiritual and physical. The transition started in 1987. He says that we are in a spiritual transition from the rule of materialism, greed, and enmity to a new period of cooperation and peace - but not without difficulty. The current oligarchy is happy with what they have and don't want to give it up, and they are powerful. The Mayans claim that 2012 marks the end of the period of the fourth sun and the beginning of the fifth sun.

Carlos points out that adversarial revolution against the ruling class will not work. It is up to those who want this shift to connect with others of like mind and begin actively creating networks of real cooperation. The old will crumble. The new period will dawn with its growing pains, the severity of which depends on our ability to accept what is happening and go with the flow. This, he says, requires evolving to unconditional love, with an open and simple heart, forgiveness, and cooperation with less ego competition.

Connecting the Pineal Gland to This 2012 Matter

Well, what does all this have to do with the pineal gland? A lot. It is considered a portal to the inner or higher self by yogi masters, including Paramahansa Yogananda, author of Autobiography of a Yogi. Psychics consider it to be the link for inter dimensional experiences. It is associated with what many call the third eye or sixth chakra, which is a doorway to higher consciousness and bliss.

And it is vital for supporting intuition, an ability that will be needed during hard times. So it is necessary to evolve spiritually in order to help create better understanding, acceptance of our fellow humans, and easier group cooperation. Meditation is a part of this evolving. That and a little sunshine, good rest and food, can cause a calcified pineal gland to loosen up and allow that portal to open.

An unusual psychiatrist, professor of medicine at University of New Mexico, and practicing Buddhist, Dr. Rick Strassman, MD, has written a book based on actual human studies of people under the psychedelic drug, DMT, titled DMT, The Spirit Molecule. He has discovered, among other things, that the pineal gland is a source of DMT production during birth and at death, and during near death or mystical experiences. This chemical approach corroborates the idea of the pineal gland as a portal, where the spirit passes through to other dimensions, either entering this physical realm or leaving it.

South American and Central American shamans use Ayahuasca, an herbal potion that stimulates DMT for psychological healing and spiritual initiation ceremonies. They have expanded their ceremonies with Ayahuasca by traveling throughout the world or opening their local facilities to non natives. They are doing this urgently in anticipation of 2012. Their desire is to jump start and expand individuals' consciousness so the transition of consciousness will be facilitated and incorporate as many as possible.

This information is meant to link the physical realm's pineal gland to higher states of awareness and other realms. The point is not to advocate or discourage psychedelic drug use, but to encourage health, meditation and spiritual growth by maintaining a fluoride free pineal gland. 2012 is approaching. Time to get in shape!



http://www.naturalnews.com/026364_fluoride_pineal_gland_sodium.html

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And yes, the scientists have found that the poles have already shifted three times (partially) and show as reversed in large areas on a compass - not fully reversed yet, though. One guy described it as a "zipper" opening. It isnt through yet.

I really hope what the ancients say is true and we move into a new world and way of being and living. I'm so tired of everything. I think a lot of people are. Living in peace and at our full potential would be a welcomed change. We may have to go through a really rough period to get there though. I'm taking necessary steps to prepare myself now.

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Just came across this interview with Drunvalo from one month ago.

Drunvalo Melchizedek on Coast to Coast. Pole Shifts, Consciousness Evolution, 2012, Mayan and Hopi Prophecy
Blue Star Prophecy

have only listen to these first three so far...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoBzcGlMHho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boe04PsCX_8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZCuxj36_8Y

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Hiya, T. I also am leaning toward the transformation as opposed to the end of the world theory. Not that it must only be sunshine and lollipops (though that would be nice) but that it's kind of a rebirth of human conciousness. A random thought I keep coming back to is what if this cycle is like Gaia's reincarnations? Being that we're all intertwined, a rebirth of the Earth effecting one in our own beings would be par for the course. We just too often seem to be quite a bit off any course.

I'd like a cloud with a view, please. Or maybe not.

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Hi Eleanore!

Yes, a transformation! Not an ending, but new beginning!

Sounds good to me!

You may not need a cloud, you may be able to simply levitate. LOL

I keep hearing that we are already in the End Time zone now and the shift is taking place (as if we didnt already feel/see that). But the major transition is taking place between 07 and 2014. I heard Feb 13th 2013 is a date to watch for something major to occur too.

Hope you are well.

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What I liked about Melchizedik's message was that he recommended making most of your preperations inwardly and staying heart centered. That's really what will "save" you (and we're all going to be alright). I truly believe that.

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Would anyone know if the tragic 9/11 had anything to do with us approaching 2012?

As weird as it may seem, these topics seem connected...

*** pineal gland
*** aliens
*** 2012
*** 9/11
*** polar shift

We can change the world with our thoughts. I believe this.

There have been plenty of warnings about Armegeddon. The church I used to attend said to 'stock the pantry up and prepare' as if there is going to be a natural disaster. I would love to prepare a safe space around our home, but it's getting my partner and family to understand this 'warning' which is the challenge.

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i agree with the transformation aspects. apparently the maya believe the "new world" or next phase will actually begin in feb 2013...

T, thanks for the introduction to melchizedek! drunvalo is fascinating, and i am so glad to finally find someone who has a lot of the same info as icke, tsarion, jones, but who has a completely positive spin on it, largely due to his association with the maya, pueblo, hopi and other indigenous people.

and one of the main points he makes is that we have been in a male cycle for thousands of years, but we are about to switch over to a much more female energy...

and his main message is - relax. fear is pointless and self-defeating. yes, change is coming. yes, some people will find it very scary because they don't want to let go of what they're used to. but things are going to be way better soon...

as to stocking up what will you stock up on? will you be able to cook during/after a pole shift? some people have predicted high winds, darkness due to dust in the air, complete power outage i'm sure is part of this picture. will your house even still be there? but melchizedek says the poles have been shifting for some time and so do the scientists, so maybe the all out destruction is a paranoid construct.

apparently the indians of the four corners believe that territory will be one safe place...i have been feeling i want to move but i haven't had any "directions" or clues as to where to so for now i am listening...

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The world is not going to end in 2012 and has already begun to make great shifts since 1989 with the harmonic convergence. As we get closer to the date I would be careful watching channels like the history channel or the like that do '2012 specials' it is important that we do not give into their doom and gloom.

I will say that 3-D reality is about to crash which is great because a new level of conscious living can begin to emerge that does not just consist of materiality, or becoming rich for greed's sake. Listen to the works of Lee Carroll and Steve Rother. A whole new world is waiting for us once we get through the darkness we are currently living through. It's going to be fine.

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and then there's this guy's take which gives me the creeps, but he has one really good point...if the information being "channelled" is correct why is it so contradictory? different channels have different views, etc.
http://the2012deception.net/?p=114

he believes we are being set up to go along with the next "holocaust"...and i have to say that one BIG problem i have with the mayan and other indigenous prophecies is this: that when the spanish conquistadores arrived in america (mexico i think?) the story is that the natives thought he was quetzalcoatl returning (because they were white and their headresses reminiscent of the depictions of the god that was going to return to save them). for this reason - misinterpretation of prophecy - they laid down their arms and gave up their sovereignty without a fight. (my details may be a little fuzzy but that is the general story!)

"So how will this idea of spiritual enlightenment lead to genocide? Very easily given the proper circumstances. It is my belief that the proper circumstances are in fact being planned, I understand that what I am about to say seems impossible at the moment, but i think that the world will be a very different place by 2012, and many weird things will be engineered to happen between now and then. This will be because there is an agenda that will greatly benefit from the masses believing themselves to be bucking the old system in favor of a new spiritually enlightened one."

as i said above, i am leaning towards a shift in consciousness myself...however i am going to chew on this guy's stuff for awhile since it has come in front of me and he echoes my own critical-thinking problems with a lot of the "research' and advice coming out about this upcoming period...

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okay CONSUMER WARNING that this guy has a christian slant which for me gets in the way of HIS analysis! some interesting thoughts, info and insights all the same...put your filters on before reading, maybe? because just because he is a christian who thinks that will save us (being christian) doesn't mean christians won't be the next target of genocide...

"So I will now stop beating around the bush and tell you what I think is going to happen and how it will lead to genocide. Keep in mind this is my opinion, and I am still working on it, and I am sure that many of the details I propose about how we get there will be wrong but we will get there.

A major war will be set up by those who have the power to make that kind of thing happen. I think there will be an effort to make this war seem like the same war prophesied at the end of bible, in order to give credibility to their next move. There will also be, before that, an effort in the coming years to make a man seem like the biblical anti-christ. They will make it look like he has made a peace agreement with Israel and the whole bit. They will put him in charge of some quasi global government, maby the UN or EU. This system and man will essentially be the “fall guy”. They will be destroyed to make what comes after them seem like the prophesied utopia.

The culmination of this system will be a nasty war in the midst of terrible economic devastation. Basically everything that can be engineered to go wrong will be going wrong at that time. It is my belief that this will be around 2012. At a specific time, possibly even a very specific time, I.E. December 21, 2012 but it doesnt have to be it could just be close to that date. an event will happen that will activate all the years of indoctrination that we have been subjected to.

The following could happen a number of ways, but many things will be accomplished with it. I have hypothesized in the past that it could be done with a false alien manifestation where we are saved from ourselves just in the nick of time by them, and I still think it will have something to do with this I.E. “Extra Terrestrials.” One of the reasons is because it would also activate some of our other programing at the same time, namely that we have been, in the same manner as 2012, taught to think that aliens existence equals no God, and so it would help us go into the new system united with a new belief about our origins as well as a worldwide rejection of God (this will be important later) , this new religion will be one where man believes himself to be God, again activating years of latent programming. The “aliens” will encourage this belief by telling us that we just aren’t evolved like them but that we too can be as gods (like them) I will eat my hat if it is not claimed that they genetically created us, because that idea would finally give evolutionist a way to temporarily explain the DNA code, (until someone asks “well who created their DNA”) The DNA code currently frustrates an honest evolutionist because the code betrays design. This would also be the best possible solution to national sovereignty problems that a world government has had,as we would willingly give up our flags and constitutions as we would now believe ourselves to be a part of a new galactic family, making national sovereignty obsolete. There is one more ingredient that will be added to the mix, this is the one that you will, if you understand Theosophy, know that any utopia cant be complete without I.E the World Teacher.

In addition to the stated objectives, as early as 1889 Blavatsky purportedly had told a group of Theosophical students that the real purpose of establishing the Society was to prepare humanity for the reception of the World Teacher when he appeared again on earth. This was repeated again more publicly by Annie Besant in 1896, five years after Blavatsky’s death. In Blavatsky’s own writings, the only reference to a similar idea indicated that it would not be for at least a century.

The world will believe that an ancient avatar or god has returned to save them from themselves. He will possibly claim a relationship of some sort to ET but he will most importantly have in some way destroyed the patsy antichrist.

This person will activate another program that we have been given by the propaganda machine, this one is part of what is called the “externalization of the hierarchy”, which is the idea that many ages have seen an avatar come to them at crucial junctures, and that they were all the same entity, like Buddah, Krishna and Jesus, they will say they are all the “christ consciousness” I.E the same entity, this will seem to be a genuine god in the flesh, and we as a planet will like it..a lot.

It is my belief that this man will in fact have many of the institutional churches convinced that he is the same Christ as the the 1st century Christ. and that the reason all the pieces dont match up precisely is because the bible was in error. After all he did destroy the antichrist, and he did save us from Armageddon, so he must be the Christ, only a little different that we were expecting. The lukewarm churches will embrace his message totally as will the rest of the world. and like Hitler after world war 1 and the treaty of Versailles, He will promise a brighter future than the one the people have just witnessed one with no more wars. a new world order.

We will give him the reigns to this new technological utopia, but it is my belief that this will not be the end of bad things, but the beginning of the worst time in the history of humanity, one where this impostor will force the world, through technological means (possibly a chip), to worship him. and this is why in my opinion when the disciples of the real Jesus asked him what his return would be like He started his answer with this:

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

My friends, every conceivable conspiracy has in some way or another been leading up to this event, it has all been preparation for this, This is a spiritual war and there is a very powerful entity that wants to try to extract the worship from every human on earth. For the first time he has the infrastructure to control people in such a way to do this. All of the money systems, and geopolitics, and the police state buildup, and chemical poisoning of the planet, have all played a role in preparing the world to be spiritually milked by this ancient cherub. But no matter how powerful he is, he and all his demons are still subject to the lowliest christian who has been given total power over all dark spirits because the real Christ has given it to them, even though most do not understand what they have., that is why it is said ” the Spirit who lives in you [Christian] is greater than the spirit who lives in the world”. it is important to realize this next part is true in order to understand the reason why the Anti-Christ will have to convince the world that Christians must be systematically eliminated in the new utopia. The answer to that is found in the following verses:

Luke 10:19-20 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

The Bible also talks about this final world system killing Christians by the untold millions for not worshiping this false Christ. It has always been one of the hardest verses to understand in the bible for me, how could a world that pretends to be so moral acquiesce to such a brutal genocide?, I thought we would have grown out of Genocides by now, after seeing so many in the last century. The answer is that it wont be the same world. The next few years will be a roller coaster ride of weirdness if I am correct.

It is also notable that most of the worlds religions can be reconciled to the idea of a guru messiah figure Islam Hinduism Buddhism and the new age, it is only Christianity that have been warned about this scenario, and it will serve as yet another reason that they will need to be made the public’s enemy. They simply cannot go along with the new utopia. but you can be sure that the world will be told this resistance to the new utopia is because they ARE the old system, and .." etc, from the same link above.

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posted November 15, 2009 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, Islam has the Dajjal

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posted November 15, 2009 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
personally i think we've all got SOMETHING! it's how you use it that counts, right?

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posted November 15, 2009 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alpha trion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why so much panic?

Here's the message about this event from the Maya themselves given by one of the surviving Maya Elders from Guatemala: http://www.shiftoftheages.com/home

Live long and prosper!

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i am not panicking. not even sure this won't be the next Y2K fiasco. in any case the maya are saying we are in a WINDOW - starting oct 07 and ending around 2015 sometime) in which the shift will occur. that we will be all right, etc. BUT

"one BIG problem i have with the mayan and other indigenous prophecies is this: that when the spanish conquistadores arrived in america (mexico i think?) the story is that the natives thought he was quetzalcoatl returning (because they were white and their headresses reminiscent of the depictions of the god that was going to return to save them). for this reason - misinterpretation of prophecy - they laid down their arms and gave up their sovereignty without a fight. (my details may be a little fuzzy but that is the general story!)"

i fully expect it will be fine for those of us who can keep it on the right level...we shall see and there is certainly no reason to panick before the event.

someone announced their intention to be at the top of the alps on the date (12/21/12) and if it all goes, oh well, if it doesn't, he'll have a great ride down anyhow...

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posted December 19, 2009 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What happens to your calendar on January 1? You start a new one. that's all. The same with this Mayan calendar; it ends in 2012 that's all. All this superstition makes me worried about the world. Are there any critical thinkers left?

Regarding the poles. Where do we get the idea that they will reverse? The earth has shifted it's axis in the past and perhaps this may occur in the future. If so I will be a very slow progression and not like a boat being tipped upside down.

Regarding a shift in consciousness. I'm doubting that that will even occur during our lifetime. Maybe over the next few hundred years. Too much waste, unskilled behavior, slavery, war, apathy, etc. 6.7 billion people and maybe less than 1% is wise. Then we have people who think they are wise with higher consciousness and feel that they are illusions. What good are they in this world if they can't see what's going on around them? We need spiritual warriors and not spiritual space cadets.

Haven't we learned that religion is a bunch of hooey? Come on! someone made this stuff up. When all the major religions fall one by one, or reform themselves, then a new consciousness will arrive. Religion needs to be exposed for their lies and false teachings first.

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well i don't know about 2012, we'll see. but those who speak about the shifting of the earth's magnetic poles may be onto something. i think it was drunvalo who talks about animals' homing devices being thrown by the magnetic shifts, manifesting as beached whales, etc...?

this morning i saw a flock of geese(?) flying north in december. do they know something we don't, or are they just effed up in the radar dept?

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posted December 20, 2009 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aka Kat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For anyone who would like a rational view of 2012:
http://astrogeek.us/hoax/

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