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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted March 09, 2007 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone has bought into this woman's lies,
you ought to read what she confessed to me when I emailed her:

"I am meeting many, many people who know Christ on many different spiritual levels. Hundreds have thanked me for bringing the true Christ to them - because Christ has spoken to the level to which they belong. I was trained over 40 years to understand the LEVEL TO WHICH I WAS SUPPOSED TO MINISTER...
I accept that you and Eva Bell Werber are in contact with Christ on a highly spiritual level... Each level is right for whoever attains it."


She is openly admitting to me that the teaching she is giving is a distortion of Christ's teaching, and is tailor-made to fit the distorted understanding of spiritually unevolved people.

I will post our entire conversation below.

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posted March 09, 2007 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Recorder,

I looked at the site and one of the first things I noticed was "Christ" threatening retribution.
I think that is a distortion of His message.

As I understand it,
Karma belongs to the Law of Moses,
which observes the works of men (if they are good, or if they are evil),
not the Law of Christ, which sees only the Spirit,
and consists of perfect understanding, acceptance, forgiveness, compassion, and grace.

Christ came to save the sinners, not threaten them with retribution.
He saw sin as a sickness, and love as the cure.
He did not see it as a free choice which ought to be punished.

Here is my interpretation of how Christ would speak to a person who is suffering and doubting:

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I then posted my own writing,
which may be found here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002533.html

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posted March 09, 2007 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Steve
I am very confused also. And I do react when people write and make these statements against Christ and do not quote Letter, page and line - that is all that is needed for me to look it up and see what you have mis-read - for believe me you have mis-read. Christ never threatens. As you say, Christ is LOVE.

BUT when he descends to talk to us and is able to see what some of the world does to other parts of the world, or some people do to other people, he will naturally warn these people what they are doing to themselves because this is a UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS - electromagnetic universe. if you are unable to accept this is what Christ said. Don't give it a moment's worried thought. Move to another website. Whatever you think, you are still the child of UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS - of God or whatever you want to call our Source of Being. You are still upheld in LOVE at all times - and your goal is still PERFFECTION and LIGHT
With all love
Recorder.

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posted March 09, 2007 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Recorder,

Thank you for taking the time to appreciate my concern and to respond to me so kindly. What first struck me were the "warnings" on the first page, ''Woe to those by whom evil should come to a child?' And warn those who caused a child to stumble? Do you think you will evade the harvest of your actions..."

I dont think these are the words of Christ. Christ sees that nothing is done by men, but men are the fruit of the tree, God. If the fruit is bad, blame the tree. This is His message. Tuning into the power of thought means not focusing on future rewards or punishments for present illness (sin), but, believing ourselves whole and complete in this moment. Still, I was still open to the possibility that this was real. Then I read a letter:

"Here were a tyrannical Dictator and a sect of people of the same mental and moral level - their spiritual vibrations, despite all the prayer and outward religious show, were as dark and dense and low as it is possible to attain in your world today. Hussein and these unruly people deserved each other."

What is being said is that Saddam and the Iraqi people are equally corrupt, and that there is no greater corruption on this earth than that exhibited by Saddam and the Iraqi people. Not only is the author judging an entire nation of people, and denying that there are worse things to be than a citizen of Iraq (like, say, an utterly depraved child-murderer), he then goes on to say that they "deserved" what they got! This is supposed to be the voice of the Christ???

The law of attraction, whereby people get what they put out, is not a moral law, it is not a case of "deserving". Christ would say that we deserve compassion and love. For one thing, this is the thought which will attract compassion and love, and it is the kind of thought Christ would hold. If Christ were to believe that anyone deserves to suffer, that suffering would return to Christ, since, what one desires for others, one desires for oneself.

I think you are either the victim of deception by an impostor in the spirit world, or, perhaps you are yourself a deceiver. In any case, I am taking your advice, and moving on. I hope you can see that this email came to you for a reason, and maybe you can be open to what I have said. But, I suppose, if you truly believe yourself to be the vessel of the second coming, nothing I say will be sufficient to shake that glorious delusion. Likewise, if you are a corrupt person who is deceiving others, you could care less.

If you want to know what Christ would really say, I recommend to you the writings of Eva Bell Werber.

Best Wishes,
Stephen Wallace Coltin

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posted March 09, 2007 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Steve, for your reply.

What you have overlooked and I am finding MANY, MANY PEOPLE re overlooking, is the fact that existence is a matter of distinct levels of consciousness created out of consciousness frequencies - just as a bass will produce its own tones, the cello another octave and the violin higher still. Christ made it clear to me that he DESCENDED - HE CAME RIGHT DOWN TO THE LOWEST FREQUENCIES POSSIBLE, in order to experience what was happening on earth and in each level of frequency of vibrationary CONSCIOUSNESS there were certain emotions, thoughts, pertaining to that level. And from that level, where people could understand the thoughts and emotions of that level, Christ spoke out clearly. Saddam terrorised people = but those people caused a great deal of trouble and murder - hence they deserved eachother.

Since Saddam's death, it has become ever more clear how tragic it was that this man should have managed to quieten the unruly members of Iraq and created peace for others in which to pursue and develop their lives, and then Bush came along and destroyed this work and introduced such terror into the country.

I am meeting many, many people who know Christ on many different spiritual levels. Hundeds have thanked me for bringing the true Christ to them - because Christ has spoken to the level to which they belong. I was trained over 40 years to understand the LEVEL TO WHICH I WAS SUPPOSED TO MINISTER. I was a very innocent woman and as I write to you, - for the first time I can see clearly the full reason why I was led (against all of my own attempts to escape it) into marriage with a man who taught me the seamy side of life - which I rejected. But at least I finally understood it. Now I can understand people who wrifte me having gone through it also. I can receive Christ when he pours out his grief over the children because he has descended and SEEN and MUST talk about it to people, begging them to rise up and stop the terrible trafficking of children.

Of what use is it to the world to be of such pure vision that you cannot see what is happening and cannot therefore, reach out a hand to try to stop it?

I accept that you and Eva Bell Werber are in contact with Christ on a highly spiritual level where such things do not exist. People's perceptions ae changing rapidly and some people are so universal in outlook that when speaking to them, one's individuality is lost to them. Each level is right for whoever attains it.

If you see me only as 'deluded' then so be it. Perhaps afer this letter to you, you may see things somewhat differently. I can only continue to do what I was trained over 40 years to do and what was given me to write. If you have ascended to those levels where you are wholly free of the magnetic pull of this world, that is indeed wonderful and there is no reason why you should return to this earth consciousness unless you stumble upon an inspired reason to do so.

Let us be at peace and extend love to theworld
Recorder.

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posted March 09, 2007 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your response. You have given me much to think about, and I am not entirely sure what my position is on this. I express myself forcefully, but I want you to know that I am undecided here, and, if it happens that I am in the wrong, I will appreciate any further guidance you can provide. Of course, it is at your discretion, and I will understand if you do not think it is the most efficient use of your energies to discuss this point with me. I realize you that you must feel called to influence as many people as possible, and not tary over hard-case individuals, like myself. But, again, any discussion we could have on this would be appreciated. I am not just saying this to bait you into a discussion, so I can change your mind. I really am confused about this. Okay...

I have often thought the things you are saying, "Everything is needful. Words find the ears for them," is one of my quotes. At the same time, as I read your response, I was reminded of another quote (I forget the author), "People will rise to the level of expectation you have for them." Perhaps, the more people embrace the higher levels, the sooner the masses will come around. That is how great movements have occurred in the past. First individuals, then groups, then the masses. But, I suppose, there are many people who will seek out teachers who expect little of them, rather than rise. Perhaps it is better if they come to you, than to someone else. Whereas I might reject your teaching on account of its lower vibration, another would reject mine because it appears to abstract and idealistic. I understand that. "Milk for babes, and meat for strong men." Still, I wonder... Are we really helping people by prostituting ourselves in this way; giving them what they will pay for, rather than the truth? It is romantic for Christ to descend and don the mantle of a wh*re, but who is it serving? Which appetites are being filled?

I respect that you have studied 40 years, but it does not incline me to think of you as wise. We have all studied for millions of years. We have all become attached to one course of study or another, and we have all reached the point of leaving it behind to enter upon a higher course, many many times. That you have studied 40 years in this life suggests to me the possibility that your personal ego for this lifetime has had plenty of time to become attached to, and identified with, your present level of understanding.

There are many providers of quick fixes, who are happy to meet a person on their level, without requiring them to alter their beliefs and lifestyles. There are many magic pills, and many thousands of people who will tell you how they have been helped by those pills. What these people do not know is that they have only set off down another dead end path. As Kafka writes, "A new prison is better than an old one." While you build prisons for people, according to their personal tastes and measurements, and see the smiles on their faces, ask yourself if you are really doing them a service, in the long run. Christ thought in terms of history. Somehow, I doubt that he spoke to people on their levels. If that were the case, would he have been rejected by everyone and crucified? And, for that matter, would he have risen again in our collective conscience and consciousness?

With Love,
Stephen

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posted March 09, 2007 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Steve
Christ has sent me to those people who are awakening from their slumber in dogma and the churches and are now reaching out for spirituality. They are ready for milk. It is a hard struggle to leave behind the old images they believed in.

I was hurt when you thought Christ would go through the HARDSHIP of descending through the lower levels of consciousness to reach the very poorest in spirit - and would see him as dressed in the mantle of a wh*re.

Think, Stephen - if there are any hard, painful memories from the past for you and you go down into them again and take on that consciousness in order to understand and forgive and get rid of it out of your consciousness, would you consider you had returned and BECOME the person you were. Or Because Christ goes through the pain of descending does he BECOME THE PEOPLE HE REACHES, OR DOES HE SIMPLY EXPERIENCE AND UNDERSTAND yet still remain CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS. Who or what we are - is all a matter of perception and will.

You are way off course when you speak of my 40 years of training - it embraced all the sciences and pain, suffeering, breaking down and being put together again, and finally losing the ego completely.

We have to become careful of intellectualising - the ego thrives on intellect.

With love to you also Steve - but I don't think that Christ's Letters will be of any good to you, don't irritate yourself with them. Don't build up karma through stupid resistance to them. Leave them alone.- you have gone ahead too quickly and missed out the most important early steps to Christ Consciousness Perhaps you'll find someone who will be ab le to fill you in on them and then you will truly see SPIRIT fully - intelligence and love in equilibrium. And that is all that matters - that you see the full spectrum of CONSCIOUSNESS and you ascend into true universal love and joy.
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posted March 09, 2007 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Recorder,

We are Jesus.
We are the ones who descended.
Christ is undisturbed at the center.

I am all for preaching to the unconverted;
that is, speaking to the poor in spirit.
But I do not know if you are correct,
in believing that it is necessary to say
that a person "deserves" to suffer,
in order to reach these people.

Couldn't you show compassion for their suffering,
without telling them they deserve it?

Is that what you call compassion?

You may be accomplishing much,
but you are strengthening their delusion of free will.
You are corroborating and encouraging their belief
that God and man are separate.

That is what I think,
and I believe these thoughts
are guided by my heart.

If you were hurt by anything i said,
I assure you, you have not entirely discarded your ego.

"The instant you believe yourself pure,
you become impure." - karl jaspers


Respectfully,
Stephen

ps. its funny,
we were just talking about this,
and someone just wrote this to me:
"God, Stephen,
the way your brain and heart work in harmony
is something I never met before."


((She did not reply.))

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posted March 09, 2007 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The fact that I repeatedly signed myself "Stephen" and she insisted on calling me "Steve", alone, tells me that this person is not of a high spiritual understanding. If she were, she would have noticed and respected my desire to be adressed by the name I signed myself as. I did her the courtesy of calling her "Recorder" despite the fact that we both know she is recording bullsh!t, but she couldnt call me "Stephen"?

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'Would you know your Lord's meaning in this thing? Know it well. Love was his meaning. Who showed it to you? Love. What did he show you? Love. Why did he show it? For love. Keep yourself therein and you shall know and understand more in the same. But you shall never know nor understand any other thing, forever.'
- Julian of Norwich

'My friends, how desperately do we need to be loved and to love. When Christ said that man does not live by bread alone, he spoke of a hunger. This hunger was not the hunger of the body. It was not the hunger for bread. He spoke of a hunger that begins deep down in the very depths of our being. He spoke of a need as vital as breath. He spoke of our hunger for love.
Love is something you and i must have. We must have it because our spirit feeds upon it. We must have it because without it we become weak and faint. Without love our self-esteem weakens. Without it our courage fails. Without love we can no longer look out confidently at the world. We turn inward and begin to feed upon our own personalities, and little by little we destroy ourselves.
With it we are creative. With it we march tirelessly. With it, and with it alone, we are able to sacrifice for others.'
- Chief Dan George

'Judgment is the antithesis of understanding,
and hatred of evil is the craftiest and least well-known of vices,
so easily is it mistaken for love of good.'
- Heart-Shaped Cross
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Mannu
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posted March 10, 2007 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stephen,

Why will you post a private letter in a public forum? Thats bad.

I have only read letter one so far from that site.

There are many who will speak of christ, and like she said, one can move on to another site if they don't like what they say.

I too believe Saddam's hand is stained with several innocents he had killed.
He had no business to invade kuwait.

Didn't Jesus say a child abuser is better off to be cast into sea with a rock tied to his neck? It wasn't rhetorical. It wasn't judgemental. It is necessary that such a thing happen. For the childs sake.


Moses law will never dissapear as long as creation exists. We are seeing various aspects of Gods unfolding love and wisdom at each cycle of our evolution, I think.


Anyway ... Peace

Mannu

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posted March 10, 2007 03:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stephen,

Private emails or not, The Recorder speaks Crap. Thanks for highlighting that.

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posted March 10, 2007 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mezzoelf1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HSC - this has been an amazing and very interesting read. I am very much in tune with your 'take' on Christ and on the message he preached. When will people not realise it is so simple? Karma can be broken, instantly, through love and compassion. We do not have to commit acts of violence and evil, we do have free choice and Christ showed us how, through love, we can be free from 'sin'. S.Hussien deserves our pity...the people of Iraq deserve ours prayers.

One quick question - what your star sign?

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Since I was the one who posted the link to the letters in the first place I would like to interject a few comments.
1. I have been in contact with Christ Consciousness all of my life--a total in years longer than the Recorder's training. Like the recorder I have been down many spiritual paths and have a variety of life experiences to draw on.
2. In 1988 while reading Linda Goodman's Starsigns I was led to The Lion Path. I actually walked the Lion Path and developed a higher immortal energy body enabling me to have clear and dynamic communcation directly with Ascended Masters and evolved states of consciousness far beyond our own comprehensions still in our molecular bodies. I am wondering how many of you have persevered on such a path OR even have a clue as to what such a path demands of the human ego consciousness.
3. Although I did not record The Christ Letters myself--I am not the Recorder-- I have had communication with the Recorder and she is very much aware of The Lion Path--she understands fully where I am coming from on a spiritual level. I know that she herself had contact with Musaios before he ascended.
3. The Christ Letters are NOT fake. My personal communciation with Christ Consciousness/ Ascended Masters for many years has confirmed that to me.
4. Yes, it is true that the Letters are written in a way that will engage spiritual seekers of different awareness levels--and if the letters do not speak to you in a deep and meaningful way it is best to move on to another website.
5. I feel it is highly unfair (prejudiced and biased on your part) to the readers of these boards to condemn the Letters out of hand (based on one reading of one of the many letters) without giving the readers a chance to read the letters through themselves with open minds.
6. It appears to me that to post a separate thread, as you did here, to display your correspondence with the Recorder is not only EGOTISTIC on your part but JUDGEMENTAL of the entire messages conveyed at Christ's Way (how many of these letters did you actually read and study?--it took me weeks to get through them) --You are also DEFENDING YOUR POINT OF VIEW without allowing others here to form their own views. Any person speaking from a highly evolved consciousness, as you claim you are speaking from, would not feel threatened in the slightest by The Christ Letters. I get the impression that the Letters threaten your own beliefs or you wouldn't be putting this personal correspondence on display.

Can you ask yourself why are these letters so threatening to you? I have read many things on many websites that I do not agree with intitially and then often I will re-read them and see that they speak a message to me later on. I do not post condemnations of personal correspondence I have with others who do not agree with me or warn others to stay away from certain websites just because I do not agree with certain statements.
Stephen, I feel strongly that you should rethink your attack on The Christ Letters and the Recorder of the letters. I am offering my opinion here with love and respect to you.
Thank you for hearing me out.
His Moira _()_


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Eva Bell Werber~~
she had beauiful messages from Christ Consciousness and I do not find any conflict with her messages and the messages conveyed in The Christ Letters (you would have to read and meditate on ALL the messages before making this statement)
Certainly Christ Consciousness has a need to convey further messages to humanity--Eva Bell Werber left her molecular body in 1962--I feel the Christ Letters and the expanded messages that are being transmitted to me are coming through at a crucial time with 2012 so close--time is speeding up and there is going to be a major shift, as something we have not previously experienced--humanity needs a major head's up. Nothing is coincidence.
Perhaps this thread will draw more attention to the messages of Christ Consciousness at this time. All is well.
In peace and loving understanding,
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posted March 10, 2007 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moira,

If you do good,
people may accuse you of egotistical motives.
Do good anyway.

If you speak truth,
people may accuse you of judgmental motives.
Speak truth anyway.

I think you are rash in calling my actions egotistical and judgemental. I have no problem with people trying to minister to a certain level of spiritual development, but, to my mind, this means speaking in the symbolic language of their culture or religion (the true meaning of "speaking in tongues"), and providing the proper interpretation of the symbols with which they are familiar; not distorting the message. And to take the name of Christ, and tag it onto a teaching that is not Christian in spirit, only obscures the true teaching, which is love, tolerance, acceptance, and understanding of everyone's present level of development (which is not the same as encouraging them to stay at that level).

I hear you telling me to take the letters as a whole, but I think you are only telling me to overlook what is false and misleading in them. When she says "Saddam and the Iraqi people deserved each other", she is speaking from a very low vibration indeed. All the positive things she says do not show this statement in another light; they only serve to strengthen the influence of the negative. People let down their guard, and then she slips in a negative belief like this. I don't think that is righteousness. This woman has set herself up as an authority on spiritual matters (thereby attracting the devotion of vulnerable and undiscerning people), and the truth is, she is teaching a materialistic doctrine.

You seem to want to defend and preserve her teaching in its entirety because there is good in it. Rather, I think, you should want to preserve only what is good in it. The truth is, there are a great many trasmitted teachings in circulation which are of a much higher quality. Not only will I move on, but, I will speak up and point out what is false in this teaching, so others, with less discernment may be enlightened. Just as The Recorder speaks against the dogma of the Church, I will speak against her dogma.

Just because there are people out there who will resonate with a message, does not mean it is a good thing to sink to their level. I will not preach child-murder to child-murderers, in order to make them comfortable with their present level of development, and I will not tell someone that afflicted people deserve their suffering, just because that person is attached to this misconception. I dont think that helps to free them.

I understand that you believe you are in communion with Ascended Masters, and in contact with Christ Consciousness. You must understand my inability to take your word for it, though. As you know, there are millions of people in this world firmly convinced that they are in touch with the Divine Intelligence and Will, and they are saying negative and contradictory things. If you want to convince me of your high spiritual understanding, you will have to show me by your deeds; you will first have to renounce a teaching which speaks of people deserving to suffer.

I do not deny the fact that I feel threatened when truth is threatened. I do not deny the fact that I feel secure when truth is secured. The letters are threatening to me because they are judgmental, and I have always been very sensitive to judgment, whether it is directed at me, or anyone else. That is my motive. Perhaps the impression you are receiving is a projection of what your own motives might be?

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I do not post condemnations of personal correspondence I have with others who do not agree with me or warn others to stay away from certain websites just because I do not agree with certain statements.

Okay. You are not the type to share your findings with others. Fair enough. I am very Aquarian, and the most natural thing in the world for me to do, is to share my findings. If I spot a stone in the path, I will not just walk around it, I will point it out, or try to remove it from the path. That is just the way I am. It is not that I do not "agree" with the stone. It is not an opinion. It is as obvious and substantial a reality to me as a stone which I have seen and others have not.

Her emails to me were not copyrighted, and she did not request that I keep them confidential. I am only repeating her words. If she does not want them public, she ought not to have spoken them without asking me to keep them private - which I probably would not have agreed to.

I feel strongly that you should rethink your defense of this teaching, which is based on the materialistic laws of karma, as outlined in the Law of Moses, and not on the spiritual laws of grace, as outlined in the true teachings of Christ Jesus.

Her teaching directly contradicts the teaching of Christ, as presented by Eva Bell Werber and others. I do not have to meditate on people deserving suffering. I do not want to "understand" that point of view. My mind is extremely sharp, penetrating, intuitive, and discerning in these matters (chart ruling Saturn in VIRGO, in the 8TH HOUSE, sextile Sun/Venus/MC/Uranus in SCORPIO and trine Chiron in the 3rd; Virgo NNode; Mercury conjunct Mars angular in Sag and trine angular Jupiter; Sun, Venus, and PLUTO in the 9TH HOUSE; and every planet except Saturn and Pluto is in aspect to Jupiter*), and I can clearly see the contradictions. I have tried to present them to you as plainly as possible, so that you may perceive them too. Understand that this is not said from a place of ego, but from a place of service.

In Love and Truth,
HSC


*These credentials speak little of the work I've done in this life,
but volumes about the work I've done in past lives.
If I toot my own horn, it is because I firmly believe
I am indeed a prophet of the new age,
and the gospel I bring is worthy of your attention.
Not for my sake alone, but for all our sakes.

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mezzoelf1,


Parallel Aspects (determined by declination, and similar in operation to conjunctions): Sun p. Moon, Sun p. Uranus, Moon p. Uranus, Neptune p. Ascendant, Venus, and Mars, Saturn p. Pluto (Pluto is also the Planet of Oriental Appearance)

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Many believe that writing a book of aphorisms, in these days of ours, is like dropping a pebble into a river to stem the rising tide. I think a great writer of aphorisms is a true alchemist, distilling the wisdom of the ages, and cutting through the dross of present confusion. The stone he throws, though small, is the Philosopher's Stone, and it is capable of stemming the tide of rivers, nations, ages, and worlds. The reader may judge for him or herself whether or not I am great. For what it is worth (in the eyes of the world), this is my craft, and I bear a fond and persistent affection for it. To see the forest for the trees... I have gathered here the fruits of my forest. I cannot yet claim to have captured the sun. I only hope to have tended
well my own spark.


Original Maxims, Aphorisms, And Counsels:


Judgment is the antithesis of understanding,
and hatred of evil is the craftiest and least well-known of vices,
so easily is it mistaken for love of good.

"All is One,"...
There is nothing else worth knowing and understanding.
The rest are details, for the tourists!

Truth is context.

Nothing teaches, and nothing prejudices, like experience.

Silence is the wisdom of the foolish,
and the folly of the wise.

The words of a wise man never reach the ears of a fool.

Hatred of evil is the craftiest and least well-known of vices, so easily is it mistaken for love of good.

Judgement is the antithesis of understanding.

It is superfluous to judge a man if he is guilty in his own eyes, and ridiculous if he is not.

Crime may make a man a criminal, but only conscience can make him guilty.

If a man is unfit to judge himself, who is fit to judge him?

I will surely take responsibility for myself, but who will take responsibility for ME?

In order to know him, it is not enough to walk a mile or two in a man's shoes. One does not come to understand the nature of drunkenness after a single drink.

Humility works hard to satisfy its pride.

Patience isn't waiting for something.

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Good men find their greatest pleasure in being virtuous,
while the rest of us find great pleasure a virtue.

Some people take the hint, and some people take the hit.

The tragedy of human existence is not that things change, but, that they change before we have an opportunity to get sick of them, and refuse to change long after we have.

Hope is always disappointed, but never disappointing.

Cause IS Correspondence.

Will is desire unimpeded;
where there's a way, there's a will.

Ignorance does not create error; error reveals ignorance. It is the same with a man and his actions; he does not create them, but they reveal him.

The miracle is not that God became a man (that happens every day), but, that a man became God; something far more rare.

To turn the other cheek is just to look the other way, but trading blow for blow is the worst kind of hypocrisy.

Who said, "There are no contradictions,"? He only spoke half-truths.

Every word is an abstraction.

All things are needful.
Words find the ears for them.

Only the inevitable is ever truly possible.

Some speak boldly for action,
and say "nothing comes from inaction".
But action comes from inaction,
and who can draw that thin grey line
where inaction ends and action begins?

What changes we've seen in a sudden instant
were prepared for ages underground.

The Sun is a brilliant light,
But light must be carried underground.
And only a candle can serve.

Have you been blinded in the darkest depths?
You will be blinded in the light, as well.
Look around you now.

Good men are not free to do evil,
and evil men are not free to do good;
A warm heart cannot fail to give warmth,
nor a cold heart chills.

To know the good is to will the good.

The moral sense is strong in some and weak in others. But, even in this, the strong still persecute the weak.

Fight to win the argument and you will surely lose the peace.

We tend to lose sympathy for a person to the extent that their suffering, having quite overwhelmed them, begins to affect ourselves.

We generally reproach a man for the immodesty of his suffering when it is ourselves who cannot bear so much as the suggestion of it.

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There is a season to give,
and a season to receive...
Trying to cry on each other's shoulders,
we only end up butting heads.

Some resist the will of God, and some accept it, - but all obey.

Great thoughts are doorways onto otherworldy vistas.

Who is more unreasonable: The man who possesses no respect for human life, or the man who expects it of him?

A man who has never known great or prolonged suffering has no real claim upon his happiness. Who is to say it will not abandon him at the first scent of trouble? We are tried by suffering, baptized or burnt, and it is only having passed through its flames that we come to know what we are made of.

Equanimity, in itself, is not a virtue; more often it is the result of weak passions than strong wills. Only strong passions can give birth to strong wills.

A strong man can make his peace with life,
for it fears him, and will seek an alliance.
But a weak man must grab life by the horns,
and wrestle it to the ground;
life won't hesitate to trample a weak man.

The key to happiness?:
Demand nothing of yourself and settle for anything.

When we need a reason to forgive, a reason can always be found. The trick is not needing one.

Self-contempt is the highest form of pride.

Whether confident or insecure, self-rapport is the same in every man. The self to which we remain attached is always the self that detaches, and never the self from which it is detached.

The horizon recedes on the crest of an eternal dusk.

The beautiful is a stain on the sublime.

If suicide is cowardly, how much more so is the fear of death?

If a man is not slightly crazy, he is completely mad.

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Christ said:
"I did not come for the righteous,
but to bring sinners to repentance;
For the well need not a physician, but them that are sick."
Still, people await the second coming, thinking that the righteous shall be delivered.
But the righteous (if indeed they are such) already have their reward.
It is the "sinners" who must be delivered!

Flesh is not merely the corruption of Spirit,
it is also the Divine Manifestation;
the Fall is also the Incarnation.
Herein lies distilled the mystery and essence of the Christian cosmo-conception.

The problem with the Gospel,
as it is handed down in its present form,
is that Jesus always knew he was the Christ.
If the Spirit is to speak the Word clearly through the Letter,
and the analogy become truly universal in scope,
we must imagine that this knowledge was revealed to Jesus
at some point durring his maturation.
Perhaps it was the Baptist who saw divinity in him first,
and awakened it with water, the emotional element.
Isn't this how it happens, to all of us, eventually?

Everyone praises those virtues which they seem to possess in themselves
and finds a way to criticize those which they clearly do not possess;
cool hearts sing the praises of independence
and gushing hearts praise affection before all things;
the silent praise silence,
the expressive praise expression;
the meek praise meekness,
the bold praise boldness;
the sensitive praise sensitivity,
the rugged praise ruggedness;
the reflective praise reflection,
the active praise action;
the original praise originality,
the consistent praise consistency;
the selfless praise self-sacrifice,
individualists praise self-possession;... and so on.
Meanwhile, the complete person praises all of these,
and wisely observes the appointed season for each.
And,
while those who lack the power to reason,
and must find a way to truth through intuition,
will tell you that reason is a dead end,
and only intuition lights the highest paths, -
those lacking intuitive power,
but well-armed with reason,
will reason their way to the heights,
and remark only upon the pitfalls of following intuition.
Each seems to find fault in the method,
and rarely acknowledges it in themselves.
Again,
to the wise,
all things have their uses,
and nothing is without merit.

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Mannu,

Most of your concerns are answered in my response to Moira.

As for the rest:

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I too believe Saddam's hand is stained with several innocents he had killed.
He had no business to invade kuwait.

I agree, but that is very far from the point.
My objection was to the claim that a person, -
whether it is Saddam, a citizen of Iraq,
or a citizen of Kuwait, -
deserves the suffering they receive in this life.
I do not think they deserve it.
I think that is a perversion of the law of karma.

The law of karma is like the law of gravity -
it is not moral; it just is.
We do not deserve to fall,
when we foolishly step off the edge of a cliff,
or are pushed off, as the case may be.

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Didn't Jesus say a child abuser is better off to be cast into sea with a rock tied to his neck? It wasn't rhetorical. It wasn't judgemental. It is necessary that such a thing happen. For the childs sake.

Whether He said this or not, it requires subtle interpretation. For one thing, Christ loves everyone, and if it were better for a man to be cast into the sea, it would be better for the man's sake, as well as the child's. We are all innocent children in His eyes. If it were better, it would be because, if the man were allowed to live and commit the act, it would bring karmic suffering on both himself and the child. However, we must observe the crucial point here: What is better is not always best. The best thing to do would be to keep the man away from children (without having to kill him), and to try to strengthen his good will through understanding, compassion, and sound instruction. If you asked Christ what is best, He would agree.

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Moses law will never dissapear as long as creation exists. We are seeing various aspects of Gods unfolding love and wisdom at each cycle of our evolution, I think.

Karma will always exist, but,
only in the sense that gravity will always exist.
It needn't always exert an influence upon us.
We are learning to spiritually transcend karma,
just as we technologically transcend gravity.
Raising our vibrations,
we transcend all physical and metaphysical laws.

In Love and Truth,
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Thank you for your responses.
Jesus was no different from any other child born at that time--he was born a mortal, but ascended to immortality after his enlightenment. John the Baptizer NEVER said those things about him--those are ALL LIES that humans picked up into their belief systems from the synoptic scriptures. If you would take the time to read the first few letters that were transmitted to that Recorder in the pdf file you would understand how Jesus became enlightened--because he tells you--a message other earthly messengers have failed to convey.

As for the comment in the Recorder's blog about Saddam and his people "deserving' each other, I feel after a complete study of all the letters, which you have not done, that the word "deserving" was a poor choice of words on the Recorder's part--she is, after all, a human being conveying a very complex message--a better choice of wording in my opinion would have been "magnetized to each other" --because that is the truth--we can only bring into our experience that which we are vibrating with --that which we are magnetizing into our experience.
Your belief in "Grace" vs what you call "materialistic views of karma" removes much of your responsibility for your thoughts, feelings and actions. I believe that there is GRACE, Jesus never said or implied that you could rely on HIM for HIS GRACE exclusively as an excuse not to be responsible for your chosen thoughts, feelings and actions.

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I will leave this discussion with a quote from Christ Consciousness~
"You must understand that when you embark on a spiritual journey, you have set foot to a path

which will lift your consciousness vibrations to higher levels. Carelessness and inconsistency

will lead you into a condition of swinging between levels of vibrationary frequencies. These

times of inconsistency are fraught with emotional pain. As you swing, the original momentum of

spiritual energy which previously lifted your spiritual vision, dies away and eventually you

complain it is hard to get back to prayer and meditation. It is difficult to make the contact with

Divine Consciousness that you were able to make before you went off on some pleasurable jaunt

which led to a dropping of your consciousness frequencies. In this way, by giving in to

overpowering impulses, you make life difficult for yourself, you walk a more rocky path.

At the same time, the impulses within your consciousness indicate that certain areas of your

human consciousness need refining. The impulses become the necessary means to teach you

some important lesson. In fact, no one can move on to the narrow path leading to the 'Kingdom

of Heaven' and remain there without divergence or deviation until they have thoroughly

experienced the fruits of their hidden impulses. By fully experiencing all they have to offer,

people eventually arrive at a clear understanding that they were false enticements - not worth the

pain and tremendous effort involved in getting back on the spiritual path again. Only when the

deeply ingrained impulses have been indulged and the results imprinted in the consciousness, can

a deliberate mental and emotional choice be made to live life on a higher spiritual level."
from CHRIST's LETTERS -- CHRIST's WAY

Offered with Love to anyone who gets this far in this thread ,
Moira

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".... you must preserve your own serenity by not allowing others to take advantage

of your good nature. You must clearly draw your lines of right and wrong - prevent the

selfishness of others encroaching on your privacy which is likely to destroy your peace of mind.

To ensure this, there is no need for your ego-consciousness to assume dominance again. You can

guard your privacy peacefully. You have been given the intelligence to achieve this necessary

purpose with the highest degree of LOVE. Remember that the spiritual edifice of consciousness

vibrations which have been constructed out of your contact with Divine Reality and your daily

mode of thought, feeling and living, should be sacrosanct and you have to take care not to

become entrapped again in the lower vibrations of others' thoughts and reactions.

At all times, your highest purpose on earth is to promote the highest earthly and spiritual

GOOD of every other living entity - human and lesser. Not by descending to the

vibrationary level of those in need but by reaching out and offering the wisdom which has

brought you into your sanctuary - your holy of holies in mind, emotion and living

conditions - if there is a willingness to listen and accept. Otherwise, hold your peace.

Sympathy and compassion should be detached. Empathy will drag you down and embroil your

spiritual consciousness vibrations in the human vibrational level. This will possibly create

conflicts where you had sincerely only intended to uplift and heal. Avoid this since it will deplete

your energies and defeat your spiritual purposes.

Pure LOVE is concerned only with upliftment and spiritual progress, healing and

achievement of the 'Kingdom of Heaven'.

Divine LOVE is a warm compassionate feeling - primarily charged with the longing to

enable the loved one to:

grow, create, be nourished and nourish others, to be healed and to heal others, to educate

and educate others, to protect and protect others, to fulfill his needs and for him to fulfill

the needs of others, all within a clear system of law and order.

This is DIVINE LOVE/LAW in action.

When your highest purpose has become the Divine Purpose in action, the ego, the nucleus of

your individuality, is now controlled by your soul. The ego-drive becomes your true defender

and true protector of your personal comfort - but it now works entirely in harmony with the

directives of your soul which draws its nature from Divine Reality.

I repeat - there is no sentiment in Divine Reality, no removing any boundaries ensuring law and

order, to suit the demands of the egoist, no weak 'giving in' and yielding to the obstinacy of

others.

At all times, it must be borne in mind that ALL PEOPLE should respect one another. They must

respect the rights of others to privacy, safety, peace of mind and harmony. If differences arise,

they can be dealt with, with mutual respect. The more spiritually evolved you are, the more will

you respect the highest and the lowest of social stratas, accounting them to be equal - 'not in the

sight of God' as human beings like to say, but within your own spiritualised perceptions of

the fundamental equality of the souls within all beings.

Respect and DIVINE LOVE belong together. True LOVE is highly respectful of the beloved.

Where there is respect between two people, this frequently leads to the highest form of love.

If you have found this Letter difficult to accept, remember that the human mind is limited in its

understanding of dimensions beyond the earthly plane. Do not let the reasoning of the ego

hold you back from your soul's journey.

In my next Letter, I will develop the theme of DIVINE LOVE and will enlarge on ego self love

showing you exactly how the magnetic emotions are presently controlling your thoughts,

feelings and lives. I will outline the steps by which they can be overcome and eventually

dissolved from your consciousness.

My purpose is to lead you along the path of self-discovery and spiritual advancement that you

may enter immediately into Light not only when you pass on into the next dimension of

existence but also whilst you are on earth.

At the moment you are living in a shadowy burdened existence instead of consciously living

within and entering into the 'Divine Consciousness' and allowing IT to permeate and gladden

your thinking and your life experiences.

Know that my Christ Consciousness is with you always and you can have immediate access

to me when you call. Let this be a comfort to you - but not a crutch. I am but your gateway

to your own illumination and your own ascent into Christ Consciousness yourself."

Quoted from~~

CHRIST'S LETTERS from CHRIST'S WAY
http://www.christsway.co.za


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Moira,

Thank you for your response.

In case you didnt notice, I am not impressed with the Letters of the Recorder, so, it is rather silly and pointless for you to refer to them in order to refute my vision of the baptism. My vision suits me because it makes spiritual sense, not because I believe it is historically accurate. History is not the proper sphere of religion, which is timeless. True religion is not concerned with the collecting of historical facts, but, with the experiencing of eternal truths. I think Jesus was a man, and his calling, as he understood it, was to fullfill the law of love utterly. Whoever fullfilled that law would become the Christ, and whoever becomes the Christ would have been destined to be the Christ from the beginning. For this reason, and also because He is intended to be a prototype for all spiritual seekers, I say that he realized his mission at some point during his life. Whether or not this is historically accurate has nothing to do with its spiritual truth. The Gospel story is a myth in the truest sense of the word. It is itself a parable (containing parables, and contained within a greater parable), the purpose of which is to inpire spiritual insight. Water is the symbol of emotion, and to be baptised with water is to awaken to love. So, it makes sense that Christ would become aware of his mission when baptized with water (love).

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I feel after a complete study of all the letters, which you have not done, that the word "deserving" was a poor choice of words on the Recorder's part--she is, after all, a human being


Okay, now you are admitting that I am correct, and you are trying to make excuses for her. I agree, she is a VERY flawed channel. If "deserve" was not what she intended, why did she not say so when I called it to her attention as the sole reason for my rejection of her teaching? She did not correct herself. But, what did she do? She proceeded to admit to me that her teaching is a low level distortion of the true teaching of Christ. She said this distorting of the truth is deliberate. And I quote, "Of what use is it to the world to be of such pure vision that you cannot see what is happening and cannot therefore, reach out a hand to try to stop it?" She believes that a person of pure vision cannot see or reach people. This is your teacher.

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Your belief in "Grace" vs what you call "materialistic views of karma" removes much of your responsibility for your thoughts, feelings and actions. I believe that there is GRACE, Jesus never said or implied that you could rely on HIM for HIS GRACE exclusively as an excuse not to be responsible for your chosen thoughts, feelings and actions.

This is a common misunderstanding of what I am saying, and it is the reason why it is so difficult to minister from this level of spiritual insight. Just because I recognize that my conscience is a gift from God, does not mean that I will choose to ignore my conscience. As long as I have a conscience, I cannot ignore it, regardless of where it came from. I will do what is right because I feel that it is right, not because I believe it is my responsibility.


In Love and Truth,
Stephen

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