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Topic: What is 'REALITY'?
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ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 24, 2007 09:03 AM
 
What IS 'reality'?'This is the world of illusion'- some will say. What IS reality? I'm just curious. What are YOUR thoughts? I read somewhere recently, that when it comes down to it, scientists can't actually PROVE that this world exists. Our definition of reality is based on what we perceive with our five senses through a series of nerves in the body, and that is it. And something I read recently (HSC posted it) is another good way of putting it. "As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter." Max Planck,
As he accepted the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1919
So, I ask again- What IS reality?
There are different realms. Realms of our DREAMS/ unconscious mind. Music; Art; Feelings....Inside the Heart and Soul. Then there is the definition of reality as defined by our skeptics and so-called (lol) scientists. What IS reality? The contrast?
P.S. If there is only one thing I am sure of right now, in life- when it comes to that which we cannot see-
is that God, whatever a person may call Him/ Her.....God....exists. That is all.
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lotusheartone
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From: piopolis, quebec canada
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posted May 24, 2007 09:26 AM
My thoughts...The reality is Our Soul Form, our energy, spark! Which is our true existence, with
GOD. ... LOve and Reverence to ALL... . IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted May 24, 2007 10:49 AM
Even though we often mess up with the concepts Truth and Reality - there is a big difference between the two.In my own weird words: Truth is What Is, and Reality is what we make of What Is. Our thoughts, our actions and reactions make the reality for us, it is a personal experience where the Law of Attraction and other Magick do the trick. The Truth is the Universal abundance, existence and life. ------------------
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BlueRoamer
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From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
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posted May 24, 2007 03:04 PM
I think an easier question to answer:What isn't reality? IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted May 24, 2007 03:19 PM
Hahah...What isn't reality? nice BR.
But does universe responds to negative questions?
For example , if one keeps saying "No I do not need a burger." Won't that person actually get a burger?
It will actually get you a burger first and then let you decide if you want it or not. IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted May 24, 2007 03:45 PM
A cosmic burger sounds delicious.One bite brings you great knowledge. The whole burger brings omnipotence. I have no idea WHAT I'm talking about. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted May 24, 2007 03:49 PM
Hahah....we cud substitute anything for mustang, like burger etc ... I wanted to avoid burger because I think Listens appetite will skyrocket  But heh the universe actually made me type burger  so sorry changing back.
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ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 479
From: the capricious clouds
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posted May 24, 2007 04:05 PM
It would have to be a spicey beanburger or vegeburger- they taste so much better!  IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
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posted May 25, 2007 01:00 PM
I love your "weird" words, Sattvic quote:
In my own weird words: Truth is What Is, and Reality is what we make of What Is.
Also love what BR said: quote:
What isn't reality?
My thought is how do we know that this plane is reality? Maybe the spritual plane is the true reality and this is all just a hint of what is to come? Like looking in a mirror darkly. "Now I see faintly but then I shall see face to face." IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted May 27, 2007 11:17 PM
Reality is your nature of self. God has no form. So its impossible to define reality. Truth , Eternity and Bliss are one of many names of God. What is truth? Study "The Mahavira sutras." Expounded by a king in India some 4500 years ago or was it around the time of Buddha. He gave up his kingship to get a glimpse of enlightenment. He does not sugar coat his teachings and tried to deliver them as is.
What has he to fear unlike Jesus, who had to face the Jews and those in power. What is eternity? What is bliss? Well the dictionaty meaning is sufficient, I think. So no comments.
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ListensToTrees
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posted May 29, 2007 07:39 AM
What about fantasists who believe their own lies and grow to be so persuasive they manage to get a load of others to follow them like Charles Manson did?Surely there must be some 'definition' of reality? I have experienced disillusion in religion, in life and in love.....and, well, it is confusing and scarey
Who will catch me if I fall?  I have been lucky so far. Nietzsche- "If we stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare back into us". Curious is the cat. Pluto is the God of the underworld. I want to stare into the deep.....
But is it dangerous? IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1453
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posted May 29, 2007 08:41 AM
There's a few things I'd like to say here. First, if you gaze into a colour for a while, and then into a white sheet of paper, your eyes will see the opposite colour - so similar to the abyss analogy. I believe Reality is defined by what you focus on. Similar to Mannu's burger, the fact that this item exists within your future cone of possibilities, and has some focus - even if negative, could enable it to manifest through your subconscious. This cone of possibilities (not to be confused with drugs or ice cream) has been mentioned by scientists such as Steven Hawking, where he mentioned the event horizon. Basically, imagine you are sitting on a chair, and looking forward. Everything you see is a possibility of experience for you in the future. You can not see the past in this example, but it seems that the past is not exempt from the cone. The more you delve into the metaphysical, and spiritual, the more your cone expands. Therefore, your reality opens up to become anything you desire. The more narrow minded you are, of the less you shine your light of understanding, the darker (or smaller) the cone will be, and hence your possibly diminished evolution throughout this life. Not to say this is a bad thing. Ignorance is truly bliss. Are you willing to step into a rabbit (w)hole - not knowing if there are snakes, or another exit, or any further light to guide you by? And yet, what of the surface predators? Do we really want to live in fear? If so, then great, that is your reality. Regardless of where you are, emotions (energy in motion) will always try to dictate decisions and understanding. And yet, who are we without emotions? So, in closing, the reality you create must be made from a clear perception, and yet with emotional influence, to determine which path through your cone you will take. If you don't make conscious choices, then you can easily slip into holy rabbit holes whole.Heaps of Love,
Dean. ------------------
I realized it for the first time in my life:
there is nothing but mystery in the world,
how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it. Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79 Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!)
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ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 479
From: the capricious clouds
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posted May 30, 2007 03:32 AM
So, what if someone put all their thoughts/ energy into truly BELIEVING that they are, say, a God of one name or another, when they are not, and that they have the right to twist any teaching they wish, and manipulate others?Does putting all their energy into believing this fantasy make it real? I should think not! IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1453
From: Oz
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posted May 30, 2007 06:46 PM
It can do - hence you have cults. The problem with defining your own reality is that you may not believe in it, and hence it will not manifest. If you don't truly believe you can fly, then you won't fly, and here's the catch 22 - how do you believe you can fly? An example is Reiki - I used to believe that all people can heal just like Jesus - as He said, but then in Reiki, the skill hass to be passed from a Master to Student. However, the initial Master must have believed that he could heal in order to obtain the skill. For the rest of us, we aren't that powerful. Belief and Faith are very closely aligned. You can't have Faith if you don't Believe, and you can't Believe if your Faith doesn't include the possiblity that something could occur.Heaps of Love,
Dean. IP: Logged |
Lei_Kuei
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From: Window Between Worlds
Registered: May 2005
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posted May 30, 2007 07:32 PM
It would seem we all have a base reality that is agreeded upon at birth, or before even. The reasons I can see for this is that such a structure is necessary but it is only there as an initial stepping stone. Eventually you reach a point in your life or not I guess, when you realize that reality can be whatever you want it to be. From there on out you are on your own. Or start a cult based on your perception of reality and make other people see only your version of reality.There is no wrong or right in it, unless you compare it to this base reality we all choose to exist in as our stepping stone of learning! I'm not the most articulate of people and I dare not claim to be able to define the nature of what is reality, but for me personally reality is nothing more or less that I choose for it to be I choose to exist here on earth among billions of other people, and I choose to be happy but not to a point in which my happiness directly causes other people grief. Oh yea... and its an amazing place, how is your version & I do hope your having lots of fun hehe? IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted May 31, 2007 02:52 AM
Listens, quote:
What about fantasists who believe their own lies and grow to be so persuasive they manage to get a load of others to follow them like Charles Manson did?
Surely there must be some 'definition' of reality?I have experienced disillusion in religion, in life and in love.....and, well, it is confusing and scarey
Its practical to believe that only God is realistic, everything is unrealistic. A mathematician ends up finding God in equations. A artist paints the beauty of God. A Poet praises the beaty of God. You know what I am saying. Everything is God. What you give credence to that reality is manifested. In Reiki they say the observer the observed are one and same. Creator = Creation = Created Why are you worried about those fantasists? We can never compare contrasts the journeys of the soul with each other.
Retain the positive experience of the disillusions. I am sure there will be some.
Otherwise why wud u continue entertaining them? makes sense?
Cheers.
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Mannu
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posted May 31, 2007 02:59 AM
quote:
So, what if someone put all their thoughts/ energy into truly BELIEVING that they are, say, a God of one name or another, when they are not, and that they have the right to twist any teaching they wish, and manipulate others?
Does putting all their energy into believing this fantasy make it real?
Each human being is infinite and there will always be fellow humans who may get attracted to teachers. I think I have said it before. The time that one spends with a false teacher is not wasted. The wisdom of the student (natural god given gift) elevates the student to question the teacher and then call him/her false.
Don't we judge a tree by its fruits?
Judge a teacher by his works. Is he/she involved in social upliftment of the poor. Whats their lifestyle like? Do they have hidden bank accounts in swiz hehehe?
I am not sure exactly what you are seekign perhaps you can be specific.
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ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 479
From: the capricious clouds
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posted May 31, 2007 04:02 AM
Thanks, folks, that was great!  REIKI......Actually I have read some contradictory articles on Reiki.....Apparently Reiki CAN be self-taught....FOR THIS WAS THE WAY REIKI WAS DISCOVERED/ FIRST NAMED. When we are TOLD that we MUST be taught only, then we are placing limitations on ourS-elves; limitations created by the misconceptions of OTHERS. Mannu...You ask whether I am looking for anything specific Well I guess I just wondered whether anyone knew of a 'formula' for not becoming disillusioned....! 'There are things known and things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception' Well, what about the doors of DECEPTION? They swing both ways! IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 479
From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 31, 2007 07:39 AM
I'm on a quest....searching for the TRUTH, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth! Yeah!U2 LYRICS "Even Better Than The Real Thing" Give me one more chance
And you'll be satisfied
Give me two more chances
You won't be denied Well my heart is where it's always been
My head is somewhere in between
Give me one more chance
Let me be your lover tonight (Check it out) You're the real thing
Yeah the real thing
You're the real thing
Even better than the real thing
Child... Give me one last chance
And I'm gonna make you sing
Give me half a chance
To ride on the waves that you bring You're honey child to a swarm of bees
Gonna blow right through you like a breeze
Give me one last dance
We'll slide down the surface of things You're the real thing
Yeah the real thing
You're the real thing
Even better than the real thing
Child... We're free to fly the crimson sky
The sun won't melt our wings tonight Oh now...here she comes Take me higher
Take me higher
You take me higher
You take me higher You're the real thing
Yeah the real thing
You're the real thing
Even better than the real thing
Even better than the real thing
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ListensToTrees
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posted May 31, 2007 08:25 AM
I've just been thinking a lot lately about sanity and insanity, reality and fantasy...that's all.IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
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posted May 31, 2007 05:13 PM
The reason u see the opposite color when you stare at one color for a long time is because the receptors in your eyes that detect that color fatigue, making the response from the opposite color much more strong.
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ListensToTrees
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posted May 31, 2007 05:20 PM
So a person can live in their own sense of reality, but it is theirs- not ours.....So what about this shared 'reality' which is this world we live in?I would like to know who I TRULY was in previous lives.....Not who I imagine myself to be or who anyone else imagines I could have been.... This is what I mean by 'reality' So much disillusionment in this world   IP: Logged |
sesame
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posted May 31, 2007 10:45 PM
BlueRoamer, that's an interesting scientific answer, but science can't explain everything. For example, the colour you see, if outdoors, is reflected off the sun right? So what you're really seeing is the sun reflecting off the object as it was 8 minutes ago, but the object is seen "now" (or microns ago). Now, the energy in the form of light that you see consists of packets of electromagnetic sprialing energy right? There is a world of understanding in how this energy propogates to your eye balls. The fact that you see the opposite reflected from white paper is explained through receptive neurons, but really, your brain is manifesting a simulation of the energy you would've seen, had they not been focusing on the first colour. I guess I'm trying to understand how this occurs on the smallest level. Sure is an interesting theory.Listens, the problem that you are facing is due to the mnultidimensional universe. Your previous lives overlap in the "now", but extend through all dimensions. If you wanted to know every life you have ever lived, you would see all lives now, all past, and all future, on all worlds. This sounds like clap-trap, but I believe it is the ultimate truth. The Oneness of all is akin to one electron moving infinitely fast to the speed of light, that it is able to seemingly be everywhere at once, and hence could be a rock, and all cats in one moment. I read this idea from somewhere here I think. Anyhow, when you want details of previous lives, what you are really asking for are specific lives within the last few centuries that were controlled by your puppet master or higher self as mentioned by Linda - this is one theory that simplifies things. It's like thinking of a heirarchy. Who controls that puppet master? Who else do they control, and hence, who are your cousin lives? As you extend back through the heirarchy, you see the source (the Grand Puppet Master) controlling all puppet masters, and hence, all puppets tied through her. This is one way of looking at it - and through this angel, you may ask such questions as "What influences from my most immediate lives influences my most immediate decisions now?" You could extend this to say that all beings influence all decisions in some way, but your "cone of possiblities" is only concerned with the main ones, hence you filter everything else out. So, as to your questions about your exact previous lives, I have not idea, but have heard that meditation can answer these questions. I think more though that meditation answers your actual questions now, and does not look to deeply into the past. To see more than you're ready for can lead to insanity, so I'd advise against that. I think sanity stems from understanding your place in the greater scheme of things, without understanding the scheme in absolute detail. Just some of my thoughts and onions. Heaps of Love,
Dean. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted June 01, 2007 12:26 AM
The physical (especially eyes and brain) cannot describe reality. Its a close approximation to the inner reality.
Take a circular disc covered with white paper. Draw a parrot on one side and on the other face a bird cage. Churn the disc, and you will think that the parrot is trapped.
But is that parrot really trapped?
Subtler than earth is water, subtler than water is fire, subtler than fire is air, subtler than air is ether. The inner reality begins after ether. Just to give you an idea.
I think I have said this here before but repeating it. Buddha was very intense practioner, thats why he remininscensed many of his previous lifetimes. Modern humans hardly recollect 2 past lives. But be assured the energy of those experiences has stayed with you and if you really want to go to past, try to pay attention to details on how you eat food, how you sleep, how you fight hehehe etc... Listens, You are so right there are doors of perception. With each experience the reality dawns on you and then a new door opens for you. Our matter world is a place of crap, there is a better reality than this world. I don't have faith. I just know it exists. One thing insanity (by psychological definition)is not conducive to our learning or evolution. These people will take longer years to evolve. Always let your intellect get the better of your mind. The mind is always expanding.
Its like metal mercury that keeps running here and there if you notice. In the west we always talk about being objective. That is relax, observe your self or thru ur friends eyes. You would then be able to make a better decision.
Cheers.
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ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 479
From: the capricious clouds
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posted June 01, 2007 05:50 AM
Ideas, ideas...philosophers will always search for answers and never find any;The mind is a matrix
Our faces are a mask
Our souls dwell within
Our eyes are
The looking-glass
Take me beyond the doors of DECEPTION into the doors of perception- take me higher, above fantasy.....the Truth is out there!
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