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ListensToTrees
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posted July 17, 2007 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Ok.....As far fetched as I know this will sound, those of you who have studied how creation is based on sound because all matter is made up of a series of vibrations; and all matter, everything is energy........those of you who have read or heard about this will understand what I am about to say.

I was just thinking about this when something occurred to me. You see, I feel that the only real 'evil' is ignorance itself, and amnesia from the only truth....which is Infinite Love; Oneness. Everything else is illusion.

Well, if creation came to be through sound....then we realize just how significant music is. Music has the power to heal, uplift, make us feel energized, amongst a number of things.

Therefor.....I was just wondering.....
Could there be a specific melody or sound in our universe that could help to awaken the most ignorant/evil of beings?????

Please let me know your thoughts, if anyone knows what I am rambling on about!!

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Unmoved
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posted July 17, 2007 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
I think I know what you're rambling about.

That's an interesting question and I decided to think out of the box, to challenge myself. Let me see what I can say to that...

A particular sound...? Hmmm... I don't know if there's a particular sound that could cure "evil", but (and I am just speculating) I think that if you can get an "evil" person to see (hear) beauty in a sound, you have cured him/her in some degree.

I think the ability to see beauty in anything means that you have learned to appreciate it, therefore one can not do an evil deed to hurt something they love, in something one finds beautiful and/or one appreciates.

Therefore, maybe any sound or anything can cure "evil", the evil must just be replaced by Love...

So, say I was evil, and I am going around killing things, hurting things and hating things, then... someone would just need to make me see the beauty in all these things that I detest and that would stop me from hurting them. By seeing their beauty, I would value them, appreciate them, feel the need to protect their beauty, and not to detroy them.

So, music can cure evil, I guess. Anything can cure evil, just as long as it fills your being with beauty, appreciation, and love.

Maybe this object (or sound) doesn't need to initially be "beautiful" to you, but by changing your perrspective on it, you end up being able see its beauty.

Okay, I could have summarized, but I was going with the thought, so I might have just rambled too.

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ListensToTrees
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posted July 17, 2007 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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posted July 17, 2007 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yourfriendinspirit     Edit/Delete Message
In One Word: A B S O L U T E L Y !


May I suggest watching a fairly new release movie as well: "Black Snake Moan" it's funny as h. e. double hockey sticks as well as along these lines.

Starring: Samuel L. Jackson, Christina Ricci, and Justin Timberlake

When a weathered, God-fearing ex-blues musician finds the town nymphomaniac severely beaten and left for dead on the side of the road, he vows to cure her of her wicked ways in Hustle & Flow director Craig Brewer's raw and unflinching follow-up. Lazarus (Samuel L. Jackson) is a hard-living ex-blues guitarist for whom the troubled days are beginning to outnumber the good. Rae (Christina Ricci) is a 22-year-old sex addict whose wild ways are finally about to catch up with her. When Lazarus discovers Rae covered in dust and clinging to life on the side of the road, he takes her in and nurses her back to health; but Lazarus isn't your typical caregiver, he's more concerned for Rae's immortal soul than he is for her physical well-being. Now, after chaining Rae down and employing the power of the Good Book to curb the salacious seductress' hedonistic ways, Lazarus will be forced to confront his own darkest demons in order to save the soul of a woman whose one-way ticket to hell has already been paid in full. Now, as Lazarus wages a righteous struggle to redeem the soul of the fallen Rae while simultaneously ensuring that his own life hasn't been lived in vain, the situation threatens to explode as Rae's possessive boyfriend, Ronnie (Justin Timberlake) -- a roughneck Guardsman currently preparing for a tour of duty in Iraq -- comes searching for his missing lover. ~

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Happy Dragon
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posted July 17, 2007 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
** I think that if you can get an "evil" person to see (hear) beauty in a sound, you have cured him/her in some degree.**
'evil' .. 'beauty' .. 'love' .. all subjective ..
exactly what is 'evil' .. ( apart from a human concept ) .. ??

Mr. Heydrich was quite a good violinist by all accounts .. http://www.auschwitz.dk/Canaris/id3.htm ..
might have soothed him .. didn't do too much for his victims ..

**Could there be a specific melody or sound in our universe that could help to awaken the most ignorant/evil of beings?????**
i reckon it would have been figured by now ..
but .. i don't reckon there is ..

could a psycopath .. a person who's unable to feel guilt/remorse/empathy for others .. be 'cured' by music ?? .. i doubt it very much ..
( btw: there is documentation showing that some psychopathic people are actually quite good at music )

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posted July 18, 2007 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for afroken     Edit/Delete Message
I think music definitely affects people behavior and characteristics.

Look at the emo kids for example. Nearly everything they listen to are either very very loud electric guitars or screamo bands.

I think its how people relate to music emotionally.

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ListensToTrees
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posted July 18, 2007 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmmm.....

I hear what you say, Happy Dragon. I think the person would have to already be open spiritually to hear certain keys to soul, love and oneness in music. They would have to be 'attuned' to it.

I wish there was a way. I wish I could just scream and stop it all. I wish that no-one had the damned free will to ever EVER abuse a helpless, innocent being.

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"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing"- Albert Einstein.

Ignorance may save energy for now, but it also keeps us from empowerment.

The truth shall set us free.

Infinite Love is the only truth; everything else is illusion.

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Happy Dragon
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posted July 18, 2007 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
** .. I wish there was a way. I wish I could just scream and stop it all. I wish that no-one had the damned free will to ever EVER abuse a helpless, innocent being. ..**

well .. i wish there would be a way as well .. and it's certainly a beautiful thought that music could possibly cure evil ..
but .. humans are humans .. we have creative minds .. for good and evil ..
and .. one persons' 'good' .. could be another persons' 'evil' ..
and .. one persons' idea of 'music' .. could be another persons' nightmare .. :-)

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fayte.m
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posted July 18, 2007 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
one persons' idea of 'music' .. could be another persons' nightmare .. :-)


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posted July 18, 2007 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
I truly, truly believe that nastiness is participatory. Yes I am saying that the victems have made a decision to play out those roles of victemness in other planes of existance. They may be doing it for learning. They may do it to help us others to learn. They may do it for their own soul groups learning. If you can get your mind around a concept like this some of your pain will go away.

And... its all just experience. Its our judgement that makes us feel all that pain. Nothing is good and nothing is bad, its all just experience.

I see pain and suffering all around me too. You just couldn't beleive the shi$ that is going on in my family right now. Un imaginable, at least by my standards. I have to accept that they are having their experience. Its not good or bad but it does belong to them and they can change it any time but they do not.It is just them having their free will on this planet. And then there is the fact that i get to go thru some real juicy emotion over all of this. Feelings I never knew existed. Im growing by leaps and bounds. Maybe i will thank them some day for being willing to play these roles on earth and letting me get my learning in.

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ListensToTrees
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posted July 18, 2007 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
thirteen, I was just thinking today along those lines. Whether karma is a true teaching or not. I think I am going to have to do a study of reincarnation stories to help me to decide.

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one persons' idea of 'music' .. could be another persons' nightmare

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thirteen
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posted July 18, 2007 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
BTW Listens, i menitoned Eckhart Tolle to you in another post and you had a question. His teachings helped me learn about how to handle the duality, that was why i thought you might like him also because the topic then was duality.
A lot of my spiritual learning and interest came from a publication called "Spirit Speaks" magazine. it is not in print anymore. It is channelled from the spirit plane. I still have my old issues and when i go back and read them they show to be pretty true and i feel they are accurate.

You seem to have infinite compassion for people and i would like to emulate that more in my life. So thanks for showing us how to be that way. It is pleasant.

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ListensToTrees
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posted July 18, 2007 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm...thanks, thirteen

Still, I feel a lot of the time like this:

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thirteen
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posted July 19, 2007 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thirteen     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, me too.

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Solane Star
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posted July 19, 2007 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome Afroken!!!!

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posted July 19, 2007 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Well I know it has changed my evil ways!!!LOL!!!

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posted July 19, 2007 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
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posted July 21, 2007 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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posted July 27, 2007 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
By the way, when I said 'music', I wasn't speaking of music as we world normally think of it, but the alchemical power of sound waves and tone in itself.....Perhaps there is, somewhere in the uni-verse, a special combination? It was just a thought

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