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Topic: Floating in a sea of karma....
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BlueRoamer
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From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 28, 2007 10:32 PM
 
Floating in a sea of karma, the past weighing so heavily in the present, how can we wade through this thick kelp forest? Especially those of neptunian influence, how can we possibly manage interactions with others, feeling and being receptive to all the undercurrents, and knowing how heavily laced with karma, and how powerful each moment can be? Even the smallest touch, a glance, one shot of energy across a room can alter fate and entangle karma. I feel that navigating this dense kelp forest of past pain is almost too much to bear, the older I become the more sensitive I become, why was I, and some others, given this burden? Some others just coast through life, ignorant, unaware of the undercurrents, blissful and self serving. oh to be so self centered and unaware, like a mere babe. It is all too tempting to recoil from the world completely, to become a watcher, an observer...IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 11468
From: Heaven
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted July 28, 2007 10:43 PM
Awww, BlueRoamer, A Big Hug of LOve to YOU..
I understand..it's all going to be okay, things
will get better, it's all in how we choose to deal with it, See and Hear the LOve and Magic!
Balance, from one extreme to another..to Harmony..Heaven on Earth. ...LOve to ALL... . IP: Logged |
BlueRoamer
Knowflake Posts: 2918
From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted July 28, 2007 10:48 PM
It's not so much about things being better, Lotus, although I do appreciate your intentions. I understand how things are good and things are bad, and that life must ebb and flow like the tides. My query is a more general question, something I always experience, regardless of life circumstance. I don't want things to improve, or get worse, I am satisfied with my current reality, for it is the only reality, it is the one. My question is broader than I think you have interpreted, but I do appreciate your sentiment. My question is really about managing interactions when one knows the inherent karmic powderkeg waiting around every corner...IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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Registered: Mar 2005
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posted July 28, 2007 10:57 PM
BlueRoamer{{{HUGS}}}------------------
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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lotusheartone
Knowflake Posts: 11468
From: Heaven
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted July 28, 2007 10:57 PM
I think it's what we make of it..Mind Over Matter..this is the World of Illusion, it can
be whatever we choose..to forgive all, and send LOve, will negate alot of karma, of course there is still some karma, til the debts are paid, believe me, I know that, still have karma to pay, much work to do..I try not to let it get to me, Other-Wise, I'd give up!
But I can't give up..so I make the best of it, somedays I wallow in sorrow, and the poor me, and I pick myself back up, turn the frown, upside down..
Life is hard! How do you think we can make things better? LOve to ALL. ... IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 4856
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted July 29, 2007 12:22 AM
Blue ~I had my new Osho Zen deck out, and here is the card I drew for you: II – Inner Voice  The Inner Voice speaks not in words but in the wordless language of the heart. It is like an oracle who only speaks the truth. If it had a face, it would be like the face at the center of this card – alert, watchful, and able to accept both the dark and the light, symbolized by the two hands holding the crystal. The crystal itself represents the clarity that comes from transcending all dualities. The Inner Voice can also be playful, as it dives deep into the emotions and emerges again to soar towards the sky, like two dolphins dancing in the waters of life. It is connected with the cosmos, though the crescent-moon crown, and the earth, as represented by the green leaves on the figure’s kimono. Ther are times in our lives when too many voices seem to be pulling us this way and that. Our very confusion in such situations is a reminder to seek silence and centering within. Only then are we able to hear our truth. I really liked your metaphor of navigating thru Neptunian kelp forests, blue…..  {{{ hugs }}}
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let ther b light
Knowflake Posts: 256
From: bombay, india
Registered: Aug 2005
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posted July 29, 2007 03:57 AM
blue roamer
are u a piscean?...i'm very forgetful...dunno if u've mentioned ur sun sign before and if i've come across it. anyways u sound like avery sensitive piscean(i mean that in a good way). i have a pisces moon and i sometimes feel the way u do, though right now i feel on top of the world. speaking of karma i think whats important is that u try to do the right thing. thats all u can do. TRY. beyond that u cannot do anything. "I feel that navigating this dense kelp forest of past pain is almost too much to bear, the older I become the more sensitive I become, why was I, and some others, given this burden? " i read somewhere that being sensitive is a gift. i know that ignorance can be bliss but then u would not experience life to the fullest... the way its supposed to be right?  zala
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26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 11346
From: Death
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted July 30, 2007 01:27 PM
Hi BR,What has helped me over the years has been going to a bookstore and picking up and reading the books of self-realized Masters, then applying their teachings to my life. I dont know where i'd be without the knowledge i've been blessed with by them. My suggestion is to go to the Eastern Philosophy or Religion section of a bookstore and see what calls out to you. When you get so fed up with feeling/thinking a certain way that you almost cant stand it anymore, that's when (ive found) your answer arrives in one Way or another. Take yourself out, get a cup of tea or coffee, find a good book and drink up the wisdom of the sages, is my suggestion. quote:
oh to be so self centered and unaware
..ah but to be self centered and aware..
that's the goal.Peace to you. IP: Logged |
Bluemoon
Knowflake Posts: 4195
From: Stafford, VA USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted July 31, 2007 07:17 PM
Blue, do you somehow feel that you are attracking bad karma? I think you are a wonderful person. You are very helpful to the people here.  BE at peace with yourself, my friend. IP: Logged |
valcap
Knowflake Posts: 21
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Registered: Jan 2005
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posted August 10, 2007 06:10 PM
The Dalai Lama once observed that a monk's life of contemplation and withdrawal from the world at large required less bravery than those that grow spiritually through participating in the interactions and everyday trials of "normal life". I've never been a monk(although Nepal in particular whispers to me sometimes)but I'd have to say living with my constant contemplation of the karmic implications of my actions/inactions on others(and myself) kicks my ass. That's why every now and then i find it important to allow myself to sink into a few hours or day of plain old meanness. Thoughts, that is, not actions. (Although some would argue thoughts are things). It's a way to let off some of the steam of the pressure cooker of my conscience.
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fayte.m
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Registered: Mar 2005
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posted August 10, 2007 07:30 PM
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The Dalai Lama once observed that a monk's life of contemplation and withdrawal from the world at large required less bravery than those that grow spiritually through participating in the interactions and everyday trials of "normal life".
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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tuxedo meow
Knowflake Posts: 606
From: Texas Gulf Coast, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted August 10, 2007 08:01 PM
What i pick up from your words resonates my daily life as well- maybe in my way- How to keep moving through so much perseption. I walk or drift through a super store and see souls, catch childrens eyes, old peoples shuffles, their pains, loneliness, emotional links growing like sea weed. Abusers, abused, the difference a glance, a word makes. The power of even a little love shared, the burden of a heart's psychic sponge, the helplessness of just passing through on our own journeys but so so aware-
The amazing changes simple movements make in small yet all ways...Yeah, wade through and take care of everyday reality like paying bills, cashing checks, eating when that reality isn't THE reality at all.IP: Logged |
Mirandee
Moderator Posts: 3329
From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted August 11, 2007 02:40 AM
BR your words are de ja vu to me having heard much of the same feelings expressed by the Sag in my life. It must seem to be a burden to intuit and know naturally from the heart in a world where others are struggling to get to the point of awareness that comes naturally to some people such as yourself. Actually it is a blessing. I have a lot of neptunian influence in my chart as well so I know the feeling. In my younger years I felt alone and misunderstood and thought it was a burden but came to realize over time how very great a blessing it really is. Things of the heart and soul that are naturally intuited and known are always a blessing as that is what guides and shapes our lives. I do not feel that we are at the mercy of karma or fate. Life doesn't just happen to us, we can take control of it. Not sure that is what you meant though about karma. Hugs to you.  IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 11346
From: Death
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 13, 2007 02:21 PM
On the monastic lifestyle or choosing to withdraw from the world...I dont think you can lump all monks into that catagory. Oftentimes life in the monastary will call to someone who wants or needs to become firmly rooted in their spiritual practices to eventually go back out into the world as a stronger more useful person in society. Yes, this is possible to do in the "outside world" but may not be the path that everyone needs take. Some people understand that they need discipline to take themselves to a very high level of awareness. They understand that worldlings can interfere with that and choose to surround themselves with others of like-mind. Alot of these people truly care about humanity and want to make a big difference in the best way they know how. This of course cannot be everyone's path and i'm not trying to say it is "better" than any other path. You have to admit that the trials of life can often make some people "weaker" or not as firmly grounded in their inner being as they might be after years of strict discipline and deep meditation. Some people choose this life because it allows them to pursue their spiritual goals undistracted and in a very disciplined way. I think we should be very greatful to these souls. Is it possible that one can do work or give service to humanity and this planet by transforming themselves first and that maybe some people understand this? Also by the inner work and transformations they do, could that possibly have an immeasureable effect on humanity and the planet? You can't expect to be of good service to anyone until you are established in your own spiritual self. Some people choose a more hardcore and disciplined route. Is it possible that a monk might want to spend time in a monastary to purify themself to eventually become a stonger, clearer instrument of Peace and Divine Will? I think it is a pretty self-sacrificing thing to do and we shouldnt be so quick to judge these people as running off and escaping from the world. The life of renunciation is not easy nor is it for everyone , but it is for some and I am thankful to those souls and support their choice to do so. 
*sorry, just had to stick up for the monastics. lol
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ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 1017
From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted August 13, 2007 03:27 PM
Karma is (edited).We place our own limitations on ourselves. There is nothing to fear, nothing to fight for; that is all just a part of the illusion which binds us until we chose to wake up.. Simply be. Go with the flow. We must first tame our reactions to our reality and our output. This will in effect change our reality. It starts to alter the frequencies, if you like. Just think of Love. Love is the only truth that we have become separate from. When the doors of perception are cleansed- we will see the world as it truly is- infinite. Infinite love. "You are a child of the uni-verse, no less than the trees and the stars". 'Good' and 'evil' are just invented concepts. We have just forgotten who we truly are, that is all. That is the only way we can set ourselves free. Don't worry about the rest- it is up to them. Things just enfold naturally. We must 'TUNE' into our higher consciousness again, remembering who we truly are.    IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 1017
From: the capricious clouds
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posted August 13, 2007 03:30 PM
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26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 11346
From: Death
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 13, 2007 03:39 PM
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Love is the only truth that we have become separate from. When the doors of perception are cleansed- we will see the world as it truly is- infinite. Infinite love. 'Good' and 'evil' are just invented concepts. We have just forgotten who we truly are, that is all. We must 'TUNE' into our higher consciousness again, remembering who we truly are.
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ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 1017
From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted August 13, 2007 03:44 PM
26T  quote:
You can't expect to be of good service to anyone until you are established in your own spiritual self.
This is what I'm working on right now. I have to work on freeing myself in my own consciousness; only then can I draw on the strength and energy to help others. Sometimes I feel I am tuning into something greater than me for a moment. However, circumstances in life pull me back into the trap, it would seem....of negative thinking. I am trying to break these chains and stop this cycle from perpetually controlling me as if I were its puppet. I think those who have mastered this are the real masters. I am caught in the web of emotion still, and with my Moon conjunct Pluto, I feel it rather intensely. I have a very hot temper and am easily stressed. I have moments of great insight which come to me and are pulled away again through the stresses of life. I feel so frustrated; as if I am caught up in a trap. Because I am aware of this, I can begin to look for ways out to free myself. This is what I recommend We can gain control by taming our reactions. And then we start to effect the energy field of this creation and what is reflected back at us. We behave differently to it; it behaves differently toward us. On an individual level....the energy will then spread to others. We must let go of fear, etc...all the things the Eastern mystics teach about....... There are so many different ways to paint the same truth. ------------------
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26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 11346
From: Death
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 13, 2007 04:05 PM
Oh LTT, I can so relate to what you just wrote. 100% of it. You are absolutely right about being able to gain control over our reactions and emotions. They can be traps. You are aware of this and know the remedy and that is your ticket to true freedom. All I can say is keep up the good work and thank You.
I'm right there with you. All the best.  IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
Knowflake Posts: 1017
From: the capricious clouds
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted August 14, 2007 03:02 PM
Actually, I take the first sentence of my first reply back.....I think I do believe in karma.I think the cycle of karma continues only until a soul, becoming self aware, transforms their own energy field which then eliminates karma and changes the relationship with the world around them, both they and the world being made of energy. IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 11346
From: Death
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 14, 2007 03:10 PM
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Solane Star
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From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted August 15, 2007 10:34 AM
 You Ladies so got it Going On!!!!!
Love to You!!!
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