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Topic: Being a Victim of Your Personal History
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Solane Star Knowflake Posts: 3372 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 03, 2007 12:28 AM
Being a Victim of Your Personal HistoryFor well over a quarter century now, I've worked with people to help them access higher levels of awareness. It's my experience that most people live their life in the wake by hanging on to personal histories to justify their self defeating behaviors, and the scarcity in their lives. They hang on the past pains, abuses and shortcomings as calling cards to annnounce a " POOR ME " status to everyone they meet, within minutes of their introduction. " I was abandoned as a child, " I'm a alcoholic," " I'm an incest survivor," " My parents were divorced and I've never gotten over it." the list could go on for hundreds of pages. Your past is over! By bonding to your past, you not only ensure that you'll be immobilized today, but you prevent yourself from healing. By referring to past struggles and using them as the reasons for not getting on with your life today, you're doing the equivalent of attributing to the wake the abliity to drive the boat. This also works in reverse. Many people refer to the reason why they can't be happy and fulfilled today. " Everything has changed," " no one respects anyone else like they used to," "A dollar used to be worth a dollar, now everything is so over priced," "When we were kids, we respected authority; today's kids walk all over their parents," This is also living in the wake and assigning responibility to the past for why you can't be successful or happy today. By Wayne Dyer IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 1009 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 03, 2007 01:04 AM
Amen to that....Each and everyone of us are already enlightenened beings. But we are a victim of our own selfs inability to disassociate from our old thought patterns.... no matter how intense those thoughts are child abuse, rape, death, holocaust, they are just as bubbles in a bath tub... burst each one. do not associate with it.. im afraid thats the only way to step off the wheel of karma ...or rather break free of its effects.... If i was to list a few steps to break off the past , then this is what i wud end up writing as the most important ones: - it is human nature to think with rules of association .... but remember the most logical person in the world cud be the greatest fool...ur enlightenened being is capable of thinking multiple thoughts at the same time. the logical person wud have the ability to stick to facts and hang on to it.... u will get a great iq score but that won't really help u in ur spiritual development. - forgive truly. no exceptions. - ok so u want to teach the other person a lesson. but have u learnt the lesson so well yourself? empathy is good but sometimes objectivity helps too... if you are able to read the mind of every person involved in a situation, and think objectively then u have done a great job. Sometimes its nice to show anger, but do not become the anger itself. Doesn't a charging lion enough to make the jackals or leopards run away from a kill? Great Masters shows anger, but when u read them spiritually they are not associated to any of the negative qualities... Great masters even if they kill the killed finds salvations thru that act...well am going tangential here... back to topic - just be aware all the time..mindful of the thoughts that come to you. if you can identify the source of your thoughts, you have realized your self again.. More to say...but think it suffices for now.
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yourfriendinspirit Knowflake Posts: 292 From: California, USA Registered: Oct 2006
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posted September 03, 2007 01:45 AM
Very insightful, I thank you both Excellent Topic As Well! I hope everyone's curiousity impels them take a peek in here... Good stuff, I tell ya' ------------------ Sendin' love your way, "your friend in spirit" IP: Logged |
MUSTANG Knowflake Posts: 630 From: Registered: Jun 2006
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posted September 03, 2007 03:59 AM
quote: no matter how intense those thoughts are child abuse, rape, death, holocaust, they are just as bubbles in a bath tub... burst each one
This simply isn't true. Bubbles in a bathtub? You can't be serious. It's a good philosophy, but a person who's been through anything that traumatic can't just snap their fingers and have the peace of mind and grace you're speaking of. It takes a lot more time, and even then, it will never be "Bubbles in a Bathtub." It's insulting to victims everywhere for you to say that, because it makes them feel they aren't strong enough and it makes them feel like sh**. I know that wasn't your intention, but that's how they'll feel. ------------------ Sun Aqua, Moon Sagg, Asc Taurus IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 1009 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 03, 2007 07:34 AM
Mustang, To that philosophy, that was my initial reaction too. Ok don't burst the bubble(when u proceed further, there will be techniques to delete those pictures from ur very being, but won't share it now), but be aware they are not sequential. its we who connect them sequentially. Why do people take photographs? We love to keep them as memory that takes us back to that place to that event. Why do some people have a routine "Heh its saturday night, time for 420, time to get a kick. The week before I had a joyful experience. I will recreate it" Same with depression thoughts. Its we who replay (reconnect those thoughts bubbles) and fall in to depression. Theres no harm in falling in tune with depressional thoughts and suicidal thoughts, but always as an observer. Try to be the space between those thoughts... And thats the most difficult part and people who seek that are the spiritualists.
Its nice to be compassionate, but remember the other person is not a reality. Hence its said "the most unexpected people make it to heaven". Can expound on that thought later. Every philosophy requires detailed explanation to unravel its mysteries. Heh happy labor day by the way.... Cheers!!!! Oh by the way....I said : quote: ur enlightenened being is capable of thinking multiple thoughts at the same time.
What i mean to say is that our thoughts appear randomly and are disconnected. It is we who associate and latch on to it. Go figure: Take a piece of paper and pen and write down all ur thoughts in one hour. Tell me ur results....any Satori moments? IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 1009 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 03, 2007 07:43 AM
Mustang, I am not trying to belittle the experiences of those victims. Believe me, I am human too. Its for people wanting to get out of their pain. If you are one of the victim then I can elaborate more. If you are not, then it merely becomes argument. And none of us can win that argument.
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 1185 From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as "Albion" Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 03, 2007 08:47 AM
Sometimes people do need to bring up things in the past so they can be worked through properly.It is by talking to someone else with an outside perspective, i.e a counselor or psychiatrist that people are able to purge themselves of these toxins of the soul and not let them manifest later on in undesirable ways, because the person can't understand why it is that they are feeling or reacting this way; they happen as inexplicable impulses. Personally, I work through my problems by writing down how I feel, but many people aren't able to do this. My friend felt she was going insane at one point because she had unresolved childhood issues she hadn't worked through yet or had counseling for. Her mother died when she was 5 and her Dad abused her. When she had counseling, she was able to start her healing. If these traumatic things which occur are not worked through, they will remain buried inside where they act as toxins.
On another note, I absolutely agree that we all have it in us the power to let go of our past and shape our own present.
"Yesterday is history Tomorrow is a mystery Today is a gift That's why they call it the present" IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 1185 From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as "Albion" Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 03, 2007 09:01 AM
P.S. Until human beings become fully self-aware, we are nothing more than fragile, complex animals; each governed by his or her limited viewpoint; forever subject to the chemical reactions of the body and mind.....which can be strengthened or weakened by his or her environment- I'm afraid we are all subject to these limitations while in the body.Learning to understand others by looking at things from a psychological perspective, etc will lead to enlightenment and understanding. Judgmentality will prevent it. Though it does give us an excuse not to feel sorry for others and therefor saves a lot of energy. IP: Logged |
Solane Star Knowflake Posts: 3372 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Jun 2005
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posted September 03, 2007 02:41 PM
Thanks Mannu,I did try to say and type alot of what you just said here as some of my post reply here last nite. Thanks, I couldn't of said it better my s-elf, it was really late and everytime I would read one of my own sentences back, it just don't sound right?? I would just end up deleting it, because it wasn't coming out right. Well said & felt!!! Thanks for Shinning some light on the whole process!!!
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