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Sarah Landry
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posted October 30, 2007 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah Landry     Edit/Delete Message
Hello every-one,

I'm excited to join such a high spirited group of people! I recently found myS-elf pulled into a second hand book store on my way home from work, and picked up Linda Goodman's Star Signs for the first time. A couple of days before that, I had a dream in which I was staring at a reflection of my Third Eye in a Crystal Ball, and watched Stone Henge materialize within it. The dream in and of itS-elf grabbed my attention, but when I read the lines:

those reflections of Stonehenge

where the watchful Third Eye
can see the faint, still-flickering lights
of the druid's enchanted Twelfth Night rites

in the introduction of a book I was drawn to buy, of which I hadn't previously heard, I started to wonder if perhaps I'm being sent a sort of spiritually fool-proof message from my higher-Elf.

As I'm sure many of you must have done, I proceeded to read as much of the book as I could, in as little time as possible. (Something I don't usually do with 'information books'- Linda Goodman, I find, commands the attention of her readers as if about to reveal the end of the dual between Harry and Voldemort or something...) Anyways...

Last night I arrived at the point in her plot where she reveals that she cannot yet reveal the lexigram for EARTH HEART and GOLD. This sort of a challenge struck me as un-ignorable, and I was up until a few hours before work this morning 'cracking the code.'

As a long-time animal rights activist and vegan, I can't help but wonder if the lexigram I came up with has something to do with Adam and Eve, and the possibility that the forbidden 'fruit' was not actually fruit at all, but a poor little creature sacrificed to satisfy Man's craving for the flesh... Anyone else get something like that? Would it be like cheating on a math test of spirituality for me to come right out and type in my answers? (If Linda herself wasn't able to, without breaking the advise of her Guru, I don't suppose I should just blurt it all out here... the only thing is, I'd like to confirm with someone else that my answer is in fact the answer she was referring to in her book... although my higher Elf seems to be telling me that it is... I lexigrammed "THE SIN" to find out, and, well, that 'proved' the point of the "EARTH GOLD" answers.

Sorry if this post seemed incoherent; I'm new to the whole message board thing. If anyone else is interrested in this, please post a reply. Thanks!

Peace, Light, Love,
Sarah

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Skyhawk
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posted October 30, 2007 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skyhawk     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome Sarah! Blurt away! Many have shared their ideas on the subject. It's all Good!

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posted October 30, 2007 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
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fayte.m
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posted October 30, 2007 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message

Sarah Landry!
See Lexigram Magic!

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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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fayte.m
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posted October 30, 2007 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001632.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001709.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000007.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001747.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001634.html

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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ListensToTrees
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posted October 30, 2007 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome, Sarah!

I too am VERY interested in the Earth lexigram mystery. I have spent a long Time wondering the same things, and long to find the answers.

As for the Gold.....do you think it could have anything to do with monatomic gold, the philosopher's stone? The Sumerian tablets suggest people were once used as slaves, to mine gold perhaps for the "Gods".

There is this very interesting lecture on Youtube about monatomic gold. I'll bump the thread up.

Also, the Kogi Indians (last functioning Pre-Columbian civilisation) apparently refer to Gold as the Earth's blood.

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Sarah Landry
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posted October 30, 2007 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah Landry     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the warm welcome!
I first started by lexigramming just the word EARTH, and here's what I came up with.
HE ATE THE HARE
HE ATE EARTH

It's strange, but the first sentance I wrote down, even before listing out all the possible words, was "He ate the hare." Even more strange, as soon as I wrote it my eyes teared up and I thought of the Adam and Eve story- that maybe she didn't tempt him with an apple, but that HE tempted her to eat meat...

When I added the word GOLD, I got
THE RED EARTH
THE DEAD EARTH
HE LED HER TO EAT DEATH
HE LED HER TO DEATH
DEAR GOD! HE DOTH LED HER!
HE LED HER TO EAT THE GOAT/LARD/RAT/HARE/DOG/HOG/TOAD
HAROD LED THE REGAL LORD TO DEATH (!)
TREAD HARD THE ROAD (of) DEAR EARTH


HEAT THE LOG,
EAT THE HOG

I seems my higher elf that I was channelling kept leading me to the meat-eating subject, and since the words "HE" and "HER" can be made, but not "HIM" or "SHE" it seems plain that...

I felt compelled, even though I grew up in a Catholic school, going to Catholic church, and have long-"Out-grown" a belief in the story of creationism (or I thought I had...) I felt compelled to lexigram the words THE SIN and got:

THE SIN IS HIS
HE SET THE NET (To trap the hare?)

ListensToTrees, it's fascinating that the an anceint culture equated GOLD with BLOOD, since blood is the primary function of the heart, and the HEART EARTH connection might be what led to the spirralling of adding the word GOLD to the lexiram, since GOLD also is LOVE. (Like it connects the spiritual and the physical aspect of the heart, love and blood.)

Fayte.M- Thanks for the link- I would have replied to your post rather than start a new one, but must have completely missed it when I was reading through past messages. I just read everything up there, and find it fascinating that the name AL GORE is contained in this lexigram!

PEACE, LOVE AND LIGHT,
Sarah

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Sarah Landry
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posted October 30, 2007 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah Landry     Edit/Delete Message
ListensToTrees-
Nice one on the word 'long'- you're definately a friend to the druids!

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NosiS
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posted October 30, 2007 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
If you're interested in that perspective, then I would recommend trying to get your hands on a copy of Upton Clary Ewing's The Essene Christ. One of the central ideas in the book is precisely that same thought: that the fall of humankind began not with eating the wrong fruit, but by eating flesh. The author puts forth a very strong argument, IMO.

There is much to be said about this topic. It's quite possible that this idea relates to the EARTH-HEART mystery and if it is so, then Linda's authorities were quite wise in not permitting her to reveal the fine substances within this poignant puzzle. A premature revelation of great depth could cause far more destruction with its repercussions than the present state allows. With that in Mind, be cautious of the way in which these ideas may affect you. The purpose of discovering Truth, if you decide that what you discover is such, is not to eradicate falsity but ever to increase the propagation of the Great Spirit of Love.

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fayte.m
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posted October 30, 2007 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Sarah Landry
You ought to move this all to Lexigram magic, start a thread there.
BTW...you cannot get DEAD from Earth/Gold.
There are not two of the letter "D".

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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fayte.m
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posted October 30, 2007 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Also Biblically it is Lord who first slaughters animals for skins and Lord who rejected and insulted Cain's vegetables but loved the fat and burnt flesh of Abel's offering.
As for Herod...there was an entire family of them. And Herod Antipas did not send Jesus to death. In fact he rather turned his back on it and passed the buck. After the John the Baptist business, the last thing he, a Helenized marginal Jew wanted was to be involved in any of the politicking going on during Passover.
Also there is a reference in Revelation that indicates that Herod was actually a secret follower.
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and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr,

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}<}}(*> <3
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posted October 30, 2007 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
"Truth is more in the process than in the result." -J. Krishnamurti


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fayte.m
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posted October 30, 2007 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
I replied a bunch at Lexigram Magic but thought this should go here too being you brought up the First sin/Adam/Eve subject.

Since the subject of meat eating being possibly the first sin...
in your Lexigramming..
I felt I should point some things out here.
Ok...
I feel there is in Genesis the first Creation story with God.
Then another Creation story with LORD and his Eden Zoo,
whilst the world of God was already outside, as is referered to as NOD.
Ok....so by that token,
the first ones were as thusly,

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26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
So there we have humans, not just an man and a woman, and plant life was given to them and the animals too, by God not LORD God...(now why would any one but a jealous arrogant false god need the title of "LORD"?) to have "for meat."
So perhaps these beings created in God's and God's fellow gods images were supposed to be vegetarians! That includes the animals too!
But then.....
Then the false god jumps in:
quote:
7: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8: And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
So now we have this LG character making dirt people, not ones in the Gods image, but formed from dirt, the animals too, formed not in the image of God, but constructed.And he put the man in a Zoo and unlike the God of the first creation, this LG dude puts restrictions on him and his wife, in clear contradiction to what was said by God in Genesis 1 verses through 30.!
So she eats of the tree forbiden by LORD God, but not forbidden by God.
Well LORD does not like that much...losing control of his pets......
quote:
11: And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
And so LORD kills some animals to clothe the two, when if he were truly a god he could have made them clothing from plant fibers or caused them to grow fur. So there you have it..LORD is the first killer of animals!
Now for this bit:
quote:
2: And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3: And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Good loving Cain, brought grains and vegetables and fruit to give as an offering.
quote:
4:And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
And the one everyone is taught in Sunday School as the good guy, this animal murdering Abel killing baby lambs and birds and rendering their fat and giving it as a burnt flesh offering to LORD....who is totally delighted that Abel is an animal murderer....like him....
Goes on to reject and insult gentle Cain who did not murder any animal or human yet...unlike his brother Abel and LORD did...
quote:

5: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6: And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7:If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
So there you have it...Cain the vegetarian did nothing wrong but LORD did not like his veggie offering......
So yeah...humanity was supposed to be vegetarians as were the animals too...until the false LORD invaded God's realm.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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posted October 30, 2007 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

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posted October 30, 2007 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
LORD God=

L. God

L= Lucifer God?

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posted October 30, 2007 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
fayte.m,

you sure are quite intuitive.

The author I mentioned uses that precise scripture as the foundation for his argument. He goes on into much detail with it. Some more memorable quotes in the book:

"Have mercy and kindness for all living things, for the lower a man carries his love, the loftier he lifts his life."

"The flow of love between man and God is metered in direct proportion to the respect and concern man extends towards all created beings."

"How can a religion retain within its 'holiest of Holies' the baneful lore of a merciless and selfish God along with the divine eloquence of a God of love and compassion without it also becoming divided against itself? To revere under one cover both a God of peace, mercy, justice and loving-kindness & a jealous, vengeful, capricious and lustful God is to becloud the spiritual awareness of man and to heap upon him both the blessings of Heaven and the abominations of Hell."

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath and buyeth that field." Matthew 13:44

"But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which ever is loving kindness, judgment and righteousness in the earth: for in these things I delight saith the Lord."
Jeremiah 9:24

"For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

"But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless."
Matthew 12:7

"Every day and every hour, every minute, walk round yourself, and see that your image is a seemly one. You pass by a child, you pass by spiteful with ugly words, with wrathful heart: you may not have noticed the child, but he has seen you and your image, unseemly and ignoble, may remain in his defenseless heart. You don't know it but you have sown an evil seed in him and it may grow -- and all because you were not careful before the child; because you did not foster in yourself a careful, actively benevolent love." from Man and God by Victor Gollancz

"For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth the beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity." Ecclesiastes 3:19

"What does it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith and have not works? Can faith save him? Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble... but wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
James 2:14, 19-20

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posted October 30, 2007 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Is Lucifer the ruler of this particular world?

Did we volunteer to enter Lucifer's world?

Why?


I know it says in a book I started to read that this psychic friend of the author's had a revelation one day whilst near a place where the leylines are.......
A revelation that the "Luciferian Consciousness" for one reason or another, decided to challenge the laws of harmony, causing an imbalance.....
And that we volunteered to enter this world out of love to give this unbalanced consciousness the chance to re-balance itself.......


Could this be true?????

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posted October 30, 2007 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
No no no!Lucifer is not the false god, the LORD
God of the Eden zoo!

Lucifer is the Bringer of "Light"=wisdom.

Will find my other post about that if I can.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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posted October 30, 2007 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Well this ios not the posts I am hunting, but it is a bit of the same things.
Had to zap most of the smilies, it would not repost... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002933-2.html

junierb
You said:
To quote:

quote:
Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.

Then asked:
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Why do you suppose Jesus is asking this question?

Well since I feel that 90% or so of the bible is not true, it is hard to really discern who really said what and what was added later. I mean, no one can get the basic history right, and I am supposed to believe they got all his words verbatim? Ha! Yeah right!
OK...IF any of that was actually said by him, and I do not believe all or any was...
but for sake of debate....
I think it means Yeshua KNEW he was of the God/creator/creation and not of the inferior soul base/programming of the ones created from dirt by the false Lord God of the second creation and the purely inbred Adamic line. He knew that even if his physical lineage was from there that his soul did not originate here.
That does not make him a deity, simply one of the souls from the first creation of God not the crude copies or constructs from the false Lord of the Eden zoo and his little inbreeding experiment, given souls/life from his second rate soul base.
Unfortunately at the time even Yesha was not sure I feel as to what it all meant and should have kept his mouth shut then. It was not time to tell the people...they had no eurekas or any framework to see and hear and understand. They had all bought into the tales of Lord and had forsaken the true God of the first creation, rebuilding. Yes, the first creation was a replenishing not an actual creation. And the second guy...Lord tried to warp it further to suit his own agendas of enslaving and toying with humanity and diluting the bloodlines of the ones of God.
That Lord is the deceiver and the father of lies, and even in the bible said Lord hisses for the fly and sends evil spirits and loves the odor of burnt flesh and appears in black smoke...orders murders and more.....
Yeah...Yeshua was telling them they were not of the true creations of God, the non human first race which was destroyed and the human second race of what we know of as the creation. He was calling them the inferior ones from Lord of the Eden Zoo soul/mindset.

I feel Yeshua was remembering his lifetimes in a non human form from a long destroyed civilization that was destroyed before the replenishing of Earth by God, possibly millions of years later, and the tampering by Lord of the Eden Zoo long long after the new humanity had been established sparsely, but planet wide.
But that is another theory for another time.
rant over.
juniperb
My theories are theories...I still actually believe very little....so unless not believing is dogma...I see it not as dogma but food for thought.
My only thing is I do NOT feel the stories commonly accepted are even close to being true.
The efforts to blind humanity to the truth has been going on a long long long time.
I am not trying to make anyone believe my theories, and I simply do not like folks to tell me their beliefs are absolute facts and become angry or hurt when I refuse to take their path.
My disagreeing should not bother them unless they have doubts. Their need to have me agree with them is annoying. I do not ask them to believe my theories.
Their beliefs are faith, or fantasy or hope, but not facts any more than my theories are no matter how much they believe in what they believe. There is no proof yet.
And so..
I shall continue to theorize and be skeptical,
and doubt it all, even my theories,
until empirical evidence comes to fore.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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fayte.m
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posted October 30, 2007 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
NosiS!
Do you mean this author? Clary Ewing's The Essene Christ.
I am not familiar with him but will definitely take a look at a copy asap!
Thank you!{{{hugs}}}}

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PS. Or do you mean:
from Man and God by Victor Gollancz ?
I do not know how intuitive I am but my dreams and visions begain when I was 2 1/2.
Then repeated until I understood them. Same exact dreams and visions for years. Then in my 40s they begain to increase when I met any person from my past lives. To call it strange is an understatement! Parts of great puzzles had chapters finally added! There is no way to describe what is like to fall into deep immersion trance upon touching others, and being our past selves...
fortunately others were around to witness these things and guide us back. I wish there were some way to prove what I feel I and others have witnessed.
I think more folks have visions and dreams and memories but are afraid to speak out or have no one to speak of these things to.
The organized religions have nearly killed the thoughts of any new prophets being heard or considered anything but mad or blasphemous. In so many prophecy and visions not conforming to standard dogmas of any religion, be it Christian, Pagan or New Age or otherwise...is frowned on or even yet still a crime punishable by death.

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}<}}(*> <3
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NosiS
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posted October 30, 2007 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
Yep! That's the one!

Happy reading

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fayte.m
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posted October 30, 2007 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you NosiS!

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{}<}}(*> <3
~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~
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Unmoved
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posted October 30, 2007 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Hello and Welcome Sarah

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Sarah Landry
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posted October 31, 2007 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah Landry     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, you guys are incredible!

ListensToTrees, NosiS and fayte.m: How long have you been studying the Bible? I must say, I feel a bit out of my league here... I had a bad reaction to church when I was young, and have basically ignored the Bible ever since. (When Catholic children receive their first communion, they must first memorise the mass. It was at this age, 6, that I first comprehended the speech we all had to say before taking the communion: "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word, and I shall be healed." I asked the priest, "If God wants us to love him, and he created us, why wouldn't we be worthy to receive him?" Needless to say, it didn't go over very well. Now, it seems, the Lord who commands us to beg for worthiness is not our God, but the vengeful Lord. I wish I had known this when I was in high school... At the age of twelve, on a road trip with my mom, I saw a field of cows, and in the field there was a young calf curled up on the ground, and a watchful mom gazing down on here baby. I decided then and there that I could never eat a dead animal again. That, also, didn't go over very well with my family, who quoted many of this same Lord's 'wisdom' to me. One uncle even said that "it's a slap in the Lord's face to refuse one of the gifts he gave us." By the time I turned 14 and learned the word vegan, I became one; I also started calling myself an atheist, thinking that there couldn't possibly be a god who would give special supremacy to one group on a planet, and sentance many others to torture and death. This Lord guy sure has propagated hate... and has probably caused many spiritual people to turn to atheism, believing God to be vengeful, wrathful, sacrifice-demanding, etc.)

As for the books mentioned, The Essene Christ and From Man and God, I'll be sure to pick up copies on my next payday! (Or when the Librarian strike here ends...) It seems as though I must also brush up on my Biblical knowledge...

Thanks again for all the replies,
Sarah
ps- I've been spirralling again, GOLD EARTH

THE LORD GOT GOD
THE OTHER GOD, LORD, LED HER TO EAT DEATH
GOD LET LORD GO TO EARTH
GOD TOLD THE LORD TO GO
THE LORD TOLD HER TO EAT DEATH
HE LED HER TO THE LORD

I'm actually shocked by all the possibilities for these two words; the night I came up with all the meat-eating sentances, I honestly thought that I had figured out all the possibilities. (Then again, it was my first go at lexigram magic.)

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Sarah Landry
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posted October 31, 2007 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sarah Landry     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, you guys are incredible!

ListensToTrees, NosiS and fayte.m: How long have you been studying the Bible? I must say, I feel a bit out of my league here... I had a bad reaction to church when I was young, and have basically ignored the Bible ever since. (When Catholic children receive their first communion, they must first memorise the mass. It was at this age, 6, that I first comprehended the speech we all had to say before taking the communion: "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word, and I shall be healed." I asked the priest, "If God wants us to love him, and he created us, why wouldn't we be worthy to receive him?" Needless to say, it didn't go over very well. Now, it seems, the Lord who commands us to beg for worthiness is not our God, but the vengeful Lord. I wish I had known this when I was in high school... At the age of twelve, on a road trip with my mom, I saw a field of cows, and in the field there was a young calf curled up on the ground, and a watchful mom gazing down on here baby. I decided then and there that I could never eat a dead animal again. That, also, didn't go over very well with my family, who quoted many of this same Lord's 'wisdom' to me. One uncle even said that "it's a slap in the Lord's face to refuse one of the gifts he gave us." By the time I turned 14 and learned the word vegan, I became one; I also started calling myself an atheist, thinking that there couldn't possibly be a god who would give special supremacy to one group on a planet, and sentance many others to torture and death. This Lord guy sure has propagated hate... and has probably caused many spiritual people to turn to atheism, believing God to be vengeful, wrathful, sacrifice-demanding, etc.)

As for the books mentioned, The Essene Christ and From Man and God, I'll be sure to pick up copies on my next payday! (Or when the Librarian strike here ends...) It seems as though I must also brush up on my Biblical knowledge...

Thanks again for all the replies,
Sarah
ps- I've been spirralling again, GOLD EARTH

THE LORD GOT GOD
THE OTHER GOD, LORD, LED HER TO EAT DEATH
GOD LET LORD GO TO EARTH
GOD TOLD THE LORD TO GO
THE LORD TOLD HER TO EAT DEATH
HE LED HER TO THE LORD

I'm actually shocked by all the possibilities for these two words; the night I came up with all the meat-eating sentances, I honestly thought that I had figured out all the possibilities. (Then again, it was my first go at lexigram magic.)

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