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Solane Star
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posted October 30, 2007 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Suffering

The most basic experience that all human beings have, which begins in the birth canal if not before, is that of pain and suffering or affliction. The fact of suffering, and how to deal with it and its effects, prompted the Buddha to present the Four Noble Truths. I like to refer to these as the facts of life. These are not dogmatic teachings, but excellent psychology that supports the spiritual journey.

The first Noble Truth is that existence is painful because “all things arise and pass away.” The issue here is called dukkha in Sanskrit, meaning affliction. Examples of dukkha include: birth, death, ageing, loss, sickness, sorrow, association with what is unpleasant, separation from what is pleasant, not getting what one wants.

The Buddha’s final words before he died in 483 BC were: “All created things are subject to decay. Practise diligently to realize this truth.”

Everything measurable or quantifiable will eventually disappear, and more immediately it will change to something other than what it was originally. This includes all relationships. Even that which is seen as progress or attainment will disappear, leaving one with the feeling that nothing has been attained and no progress has been made. Or what was valued will lose its value. Or what was treasured becomes a memory or an illusion or simple dross. Everything we grasp becomes an anchor that inhibits the flow of life. Enjoying and letting go constantly keeps us in the flow.

The first fact of life is that affliction exists, and we need to accept it and use it as the basis for our journey, for without suffering we would not be moved to manifest Spirit. Heaven would already be on earth. The needs that we are called to respond to, are revealed through the afflictions and challenges that we encounter. A desire to escape from our afflictions and challenges rather than to learn from them as the most valuable opportunity we have, leads only to suffering.

When we see our own imperfections, our conditioning prompts us either to be ashamed of them or to deny them. We need to appreciate that our imperfections are the greatest spiritual assets we have, for they will keep us on the path, provided that we live with them in a conscious, loving way. This attitude is easier to accept if we can appreciate that our purpose is not to live for some hoped for heaven, but to work and serve and thrive on this dualistic earth plane.

We all develop defence mechanism from an early age. We do this because we are trying to avoid dukkha (affliction). We are trying to avoid suffering. So much of the unpleasant facts of life are kept hidden from our conscious awareness. The spiritual journey is a journey of conscious choice and conscious commitment to Truth. Our defence mechanisms need to be examined, therefore, and we need to become aware of what we have avoided facing in the past. Defence mechanisms serve to distance ourselves from our own life. As we begin to acknowledge and accept what we have repressed we likely will feel ashamed, and be tempted to revert to suppression, not realizing we are handing over the power of choice to be dictated by unconscious factors within ourselves.

When we open our hearts and minds to embrace ‘what is’, we release the soul energy of compassion, tolerance and understanding. When we let go of the fear of life we can stop defending ourselves and blocking the presence of Spirit. We then allow the gentle hand of Spirit to instil peace within us and inspire us. When we stop being a victim and allow the love, power and confidence of soul within to give of itself, we not only avoid suffering but we then have the potential to become instruments for the relief of the suffering in other people’s lives.

Suffering is a human condition. Its purpose is to teach us what we need to learn and to expand our consciousness to embrace life more fully.

Exercises:

1. Identify three defence mechanisms that you frequently use. Make an attempt at least once a day to stop using a typical one, and see what happens to you, your feelings and your relationships.

2. Reflect on someone or something that is leaving your life. Find the positive meaning of this and get to the point of emotional acceptance. See yourself through this as not something that has diminished you in any way, but that has given you something.


By Soul Journey


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Solane Star
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posted October 30, 2007 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
When we open our hearts and minds to embrace ‘what is’, we release the soul energy of compassion, tolerance and understanding. When we let go of the fear of life we can stop defending ourselves and blocking the presence of Spirit. We then allow the gentle hand of Spirit to instil peace within us and inspire us. When we stop being a victim and allow the love, power and confidence of soul within to give of itself, we not only avoid suffering but we then have the potential to become instruments for the relief of the suffering in other people’s lives.

Suffering is a human condition. Its purpose is to teach us what we need to learn and to expand our consciousness to embrace life more fully.

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juniperb
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posted October 31, 2007 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Mystics of all traditions also agree that when distinctions created by imagination are taken to be real especially the distinction between 'subject' and 'object', 'I' and 'other', 'self' and 'world' we lose sight of the Ultimate Nature of Reality and fall into delusion. This is the cause of all our suffering.

So long as the sense of "me" and "mine" remains, there is bound to be sorrow and want in the life of the individual. Anandamayi Ma (Hindu)

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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Mannu
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posted November 01, 2007 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
A few days ago I asked : The entire creation of God only receives from Her. And wanted to know when does God ever receive? Who really gives?

In my opinion this post attempts to answer that question.

- I told my Elf. Are we humans only meant to receive? Look at Buddha he still went with a begging bowl after enlightenment from door to door.


Suffering exists because we ask God to make us like Him. For then we attempt to give back to God.


Mother Theresa asked God she wants to be with him. She received pain and suffering in return even when she gave gave food to the needy, shelter to the homeless.

Are these people role models for others or are they examples of why we must be contend to only receive from God.

I am sure some one pointed me to conversations with God book and LG's own Gooberz. Have to run to the book store when I have time. Until then self introspecting mysElf

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posted November 01, 2007 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
The gnostics believe that Jesus never died.

But is death more important than the process of suffering?


Who in this universe can answer that without referring to books or dreams?

Perhaps some questions are best already answered by the creator who is alive in you.


Thanks for listening to my ramblings...


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posted November 01, 2007 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Indeed "Many are invited , few are chosen"

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posted November 01, 2007 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
For whom does the bell toll?
For whom does the bell toll?

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posted November 01, 2007 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
It tolls for thee.
It tolls for thee.

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posted November 03, 2007 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
What is suffering? What is death? In reality, they do not have any existence. They appear within the framework of the manifestations produced by the mind wrapped up in an illusion. ...In the emptiness of mind, there is no death. No one dies. There is no suffering and no fear. Bokar Rinpoche (Buddhist)

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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posted November 03, 2007 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
juniperb,

Too an Empty Mind!!!


Some just think too much!!!

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26taurus
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posted November 04, 2007 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
i juniperB.

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"All is the Self or Brahman. The saint, the sinner, the lamb, the tiger, even the murderer, as far as they have any reality, can be nothing else, because there is nothing else."

Swami Vivekananda

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posted November 04, 2007 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
" We are dying of thirst sitting on the bank of the mightiest river. We are dying of hunger sitting near heaps of food. Here is the blissful universe; yet we do not find it. We are in it all the time and we are always misjudging it. Religion proposes to find this out for us. The longing for this blissful universe is in all hearts. It has been the search of all nations, it is the one goal of religion, and this ideal is expressed in various languages in different religions. It is only the difference of languages that make all these apparent divergences; one expresses a thought in one way, another a little differently, yet perhaps each means exactly what the other is expressing in a different language."
Vivekananda

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posted November 04, 2007 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
There is a cloud shedding its rain on all fields alike. But it is only the field that is well cultivated, which gets the advantage of shower; another field, which has not been tilled or taken care of cannot get that advantage. It is not the fault of the cloud. The mercy of God is eternal and unchangeable; it is we that make the differentiation. — Swami Vivekananda

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posted November 04, 2007 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
"I say unto you that suffering is not holding you, you are holding suffering.... And when you become good at the art of letting sufferings go, then you'll come to realize what you were dragging around with you. And for that, no one else other than you was responsible.... The truth is that existence wants your life to become a festival...because when you are unhappy, you also throw unhappiness all around."

Osho formerly known as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh

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posted November 08, 2007 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks 26Taurus!!!!

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