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Mannu
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posted November 04, 2007 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
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Some time ago I received a call from a colleague who asked if I would be the referee on the grading of an examination question. He was about to give a student a zero for his answer to a physics question, while the student claimed he should receive a perfect score and would if the system were not set up against the student. The instructor and the student agreed to an impartial arbiter, and I was selected.

I went to my colleague's office and read the examination question: 'Show how it is possible to determine the height of a tall building with the aid of a barometer.'

The student had answered: 'Take the barometer to the top of the building, attach a long rope to it, lower the barometer to the street, and then bring it up, measuring the length of rope. The length of the rope is the height of the building.'

I pointed out that the student really had a strong case for full credit, since he had answered the question completely and correctly. On the other hand, if full credit were given, it could well contribute to a high grade for the student in his physics course. A high grade is supposed to certify competence in physics, but the answer did not confirm this. I suggested that the student have another try at answering the question. I was not surprised that my colleague agreed, but I was surprised that the student did.

I gave the student six minutes to answer the question, with the warning that his answer should show some knowledge of physics. At the end of five minutes, he had not written anything. I asked if he wished to give up, but he said no. He had many answers to the problem; he was just thinking of the best one. I excused myself for interrupting him, and asked him to please go on. In the next minute he dashed off his answer which read:

'Take the barometer to the top of the building and lean over the edge of the roof. Drop the barometer, timing its fall with a stopwatch. Then, using the formula S = at2/2, calculate the height of the building.'

At this point, I asked my colleague if he would give up. He conceded, and I gave the student almost full credit.

On leaving my colleague's office, I recalled that the student had said he had other answers to the problem so I asked him what they were. 'Oh, yes' said the student. 'There are many ways of getting the height of a tall building with the aid of a barometer. For example, you could take the barometer out on a sunny day and measure the height of the barometer, the length of its shadow, and the length of the shadow of the building, and by the use of simple proportion, determine the height of the building.'

'Fine' I said. 'And the others?'

'Yes' said the student. 'There is a very basic measurement method that you will like. In this method, you take the barometer and begin to walk up the stairs. As you climb the stairs, you mark off the length of the barometer along the wall. You then count the number of marks, and this will give the height of the building in barometer units. A very direct method.

'Of course, if you want a more sophisticated method, you can tie the barometer to the end of a string, swing it as a pendulum, and determine the value of 'g' at the street level and at the top of the building. From the difference between the two values of 'g', the height of the building can, in principle, be calculated.

'Finally,' he concluded 'there are many other ways of solving the problem. Probably the best' he said 'is to take the barometer to the basement and knock on the superintendent's door. When the superintendent answers, you speak to him as follows: "Mr Superintendent, here I have a fine barometer. If you will tell me the height of this building, I will give you this barometer."'

At this point, I asked the student if he really did not know the conventional answer to this question. He admitted that he did, but said that he was fed up with high school and college instructors trying to teach him how to think, to use the 'scientific method', and to explore the deep inner logic of the subject in a pedantic way, as is often done in the new mathematics, rather than teaching him the structure of the subject. With this in mind, he decided to revive scholasticism as an academic lark to challenge the Sputnik-panicked classrooms of America.


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posted November 04, 2007 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
I love it.

But this one reminds me of another one that was passing around and I think it was Einstein that said the answer at a young age or someone else of as much caliber as him, then I heard it was not really a quote from a scientist or the "big name scientist" and it was made up , but never the less it was a good "thinking" read.

Sorry for so many words^ it seems this morning I can't express myself eloquently LOL
I am just having my coffee too.

But, do you know which one I am talking about?

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posted November 04, 2007 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I heard many quotes attributed to Einstein which he never quoted. Are you referring to "Dark and Light?"

That above post is just an article. It never happened. I think it was brilliant. I am like that guy. I don't like to be told how to do things. I rather find the truth for myself


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The following piece by Alexander Calandra appeared
first in The Saturday Review (December 21, 1968, p 60)
I have discovered it in a collection More Random Walks in Science
by R. L. Weber, The Institute of Physics, 1982.

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posted November 04, 2007 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
LOL, Very Clever.

I like how that kid thinks.

And I agree,
there are many ways to answer the question,
"How do you calculate the height of the building?"

But only one way to answer the question,
"What is the height of the building?"

(Bearing in mind that,
to offer the answer in feet, inches,
centimeters, or seashells,
is still to give the same answer,
albeit in another "language".)


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posted November 04, 2007 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
There are still many ways to answer the question "What is the height of the building?"

That is the beauty of theory of relativity. If one observer is at rest and the other observer is moving at speed v and if they are told to report the height in inches. The answer will be still different.


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posted November 04, 2007 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Huh?


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If one observer is at rest
and the other observer is moving at speed v1
and if they are told to report the speed in inches

Speed isnt measured in inches.
(Do you mean inches per hour?)

And they are asked to report the height of the building,
not the speed of anything.

The height of the building is
the distance from the roof to the ground.
The roof relative to the ground.
The only relation you need to consider here
is the relation of the roof to the ground.

And even if you are travelling at the speed of light
or standing on the moon,
the height of the building will only appear to change.

Your answer will appear different,
but it will not actually be different.
Thats what relativity means.

When you convert the equation,
you will get the same answer.

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posted November 04, 2007 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
>>>and if they are told to report the speed in inches.

Typo. Sorry.

lets say they are reporting heights to each other.

The heights are different.

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posted November 04, 2007 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
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And even if you are travelling at the speed of light
or standing on the moon,
the height of the building will only appear to change.

Your answer will appear different,
but it will not actually be different.
Thats what relativity means.



If one of the observer is travelling close to the speed of light the height of the building reported by the traveller will be smaller compared to the observer who is at rest , lets say near the building.

At speed of light all observers/matter becomes light hence its impossible for any human to travel at that speed. The height of building will be 0 in that case.

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posted November 04, 2007 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Also theoretically an observer on moon will report different height of the building compared to earthlings. Well not a large difference but still its substantial.

All these have been confirmed in experiments. No one has challenged Einstein's and Lorentzo's theory so far for 100s of years.

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posted November 04, 2007 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
The other bizzare possibility of this theory is that if an observer travels at close to speed of light and returns back to the earth, he is much younger than the observer whom he left behind.

Even as we talk experiments are confirming all those bizzare theories.

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posted November 04, 2007 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
L1 = L0 * square-root of (1- v2 / c2),

T1 = T0 * (1 / square-root of (1 - v2 / c2))


where c = speed of light.
L1 is length reported by the travelling observer.
L0 is length reported by the observer at rest
v2 = v square
c2 = c square

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NAM
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posted November 04, 2007 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
huh?

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posted November 04, 2007 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
I AM RIGHT I KNOW EVERYTHING LISTEN TO ME TALK AT YOU ENDLESSLY. THE TRUTH IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING NOW YOU NAIVE CHILD OF A SOUL.

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posted November 04, 2007 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
double huh?^

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posted November 04, 2007 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
whaa?

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Mannu
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posted November 05, 2007 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Imagine you are God (an architect of the universe). You start building a world that seems surreal with such basic equations and the characters in it don't even know they are in video game.

Ever seen Matrix.


The Oracle (Mother God) is the unbalancer in the equations and she appeals more to me.
I posted a dialogue on the movie somewhere here. All three parts are a must see I think. Brilliant ideas.

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posted November 05, 2007 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueMeenee     Edit/Delete Message
LOL that story was great! That kind of thinking got me into so much trouble in high school. My children are following in my footsteps per the last parent/teacher conferences. It will be interesting to see what comes in future years with them at school.

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posted November 05, 2007 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah the writers did a great job on that.
OK I found those threads...
Here goes one after another.


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-The Oracle who is she?
“If I am the father of the Matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother” – The Architect

The Oracle is a program initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche, and maybe it is this combined with the knowledge of the functions in the Matrix that makes her able to predict the future. The Oracle has taken the form of an old black woman, who likes to bake cookies and eat candy. Also The Oracle came up with the idea to give people in the Matrix the power of choice, which prevented the Matrix from failing and this is now implemented in the latest version(s) of the Matrix.

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- What does The Oracle want? Why is she helping Neo and Morpheus?
“I want the same thing as you want Neo, and I’m ready to go as far as you are to get it” – The Oracle

The Oracle wants peace between humans and the machines and she works her mysterious ways to achieve this. This is why she guides Neo, Morpheus and the others. She does not always tell the truth, but she tells them exactly what they need to hear, in order to make them do what needs to be done, in her master plan.

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- What can and what can’t The Oracle predict about the future?
“No one can see beyond a choice they don’t understand” - The Oracle

The Oracle knows what is going to happen up until a choice that is not yet understood. This means that every choice is in a way pre decided, but that she cannot tell us what lies beyond these choices, if we do not understand why we will make them in yet. She does not know weather Neo is the one in the first part of the first movie, because Neo does not know which great powers he has. Because Neo doesn't know about his powers yet, he cant understand the choices he is going to make later and therefore the Oracle cannot tell if he is or is not the one.

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- In Matrix one The Oracle told Neo that he was not “The one” and that either he or Morpheus would die, none of this was right, why was she wrong?
“Try not to think of it in terms of right and wrong. She is a guide Neo, she can help you to find the path.” - Morpheus

My theory is that The Oracle did not want to tell Neo weather he was the one or not, if he did not believe in it himself. He had to discover it himself, to truly become the one. Here is the dialogue:

The Oracle looks at Neo’s hands
The Oracle: Now I’m supposed to say, hmm that’s interesting, but then you say:
Neo : But what?
The Oracle: But you already know what I’m going to tell you.
Neo : I’m not the one.

Now Neo said it himself, he does not believe in himself yet, so The Oracle knows that he is not ready. The reason The Oracle then tells Neo that either Morpheus or he is going to die is to get Neo to go back into the Matrix and save Morpheus later. She wants to test him and see if he is infact the one, and she wanted Neo to discover his powers himself. She could just have told Neo that Sipher was going to betray them, but she wanted Neo to go and rescue Morpheus. By doing this she made Neo believe that he had nothing to loose and that makes him really powerful inside the Matrix.


***Added later

She wasn't wrong. Neo did die at the end of the first movie if you recall. The oracle also said in the first movie:

Oracle: "You've got the gift, but it looks like your waiting for something"
Neo: "What?"
Oracle: " Your next life perhaps, who knows? Thats the way these things go"

Neo dies, then comes back as the one, in his "Next Life". Before he died, he wasnt the one. He just "Had the Gift".


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- Why did The Oracle tell Morpheus that he would find the one and that the one would end the war? There was no way she could have known this when she said this.
“So you are here to save the world? What do you say to something like that?” - Sipher

The Matrix is flawed in a way so that the one would inevitably appear at some point. My theory is that The Oracle told Morpheus that he would find the one and that the one would end the war, in order to make Morpheus look for him and support him in every way if or when he found him.

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- Why did The Oracle tell Trinity that she would fall in love with the one? Again she couldn’t have known this at the time.
“Cookies need love like everything does” – The Oracle

I think she told Trinity this to make her fall in love with the one. It seems as if the one (Neo) gets a lot of his powers from his love to Trinity. I think The Oracle knew that love has an essential connection to the powers you have both inside and outside the Matrix. Also and more important, love is the thing that makes Neo chose the "wrong door" later. This is a part of The Oracles master plan

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- Why does Smith call The Oracle mom?
"Everything that has a beginning, has an end, I see the end coming, I see darkness spreading, I see death. And you are all that stands in his way. - The Oracle

The Oracle and The Architect indirectly created Smith together. The architect, build the equation, called the matrix, and he tries all he can to balance it. The oracle tries to unbalance it by "creating" the one. As a counter measure "the equation" makes Smith equally or just about as powerful. Quotes that support this theory:

The Oracle: Thats his(The Architect) purpose, to balance the equation.
Neo : Whats your purpose?
The Oracle: To unbalance it.

"He (Smith) is you, he is your opposite, the result of the equation trying to balance itself out." - The Oracle


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- The Oracle's master plan? What are you talking about?
“You are here because you were send here. You were told to come here and then you obeyed” - The Merovingian

Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, Smith and The Architect are all indirectly controlled by The Oracle. The Oracle using them as tools in her great scheme to end the war. She manipulated The Architect into giving people in the matrix a choice and in this way she insured that one of the inevitably reappearing "ones" would choose the "wrong door", which would lead to one of two ends. This is bound to happen at one point or another. When Neo asks The Oracle if the war is going to end she answers "one way or another". This leads me back to the two possible outcomes. Either Zion is destroyed and the matrix crashes (Smith) and every human being is killed. This is the only option The Architect knows of. As the Oracle put it "Please... You and I might not be able to see beyond our own choices, but that man cant see past any choise. [...] He doesn't understand them, he cant, to him they are variables in an eqation."

The other way that this war can end is of cause the one that happens and it is The Oracle that ultimately decides which one that had to happen.

Neo : Where is this going? Where does it end?
The Oracle: I don't know.
Neo : You don't know or you wont tell me?
The Oracle: I told you before, no one can see beyond a choice they don't - understand and i mean no one.
Neo : What choice?
The Oracle: It doesn't matter, its my choice. I have mine to make, same as you
- have yours.

The Oracle makes her choice when she lets Smith take her over. This enables Neo to kill Smith (as well as himself) in the end. Smith says the following in the end "everything that has a beginning has an end Neo". This is what the Oracle told Neo before. Then Smith says "What? What did i just say?". Somehow The Oracle is still inside Smith in a way and this is her way of telling Neo that he should give up, there by killing them both and create peace. This is what the source wants for peace and this also saves everybody inside the matrix. Another sign that this is infact The Oracles choice is the questions Smith asks The Oracle earlier, when he comes to "take her over". These are questions about why she didn't flee, if she knew he was coming.

One thing that i would like to point out, is that the oracle was not always sure that this would happen, but it was a chance she was taking. In the end of Matrix 3 The Architect calls her plan "a very dangerous game". And shortly after Seraph asks her weather or not she knew that this would happen, to which she answers that she didn't, but that she believed. She tells Neo the same thing in Matrix 2 "For what it's worth, you've made a believer out of me"

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- Note
Someone reading this might think that I'm mixing up to two different was of viewing faith in this theory. One way being that we can choose what we want to do and one being that we cant, but we have to follow a certain path instead. My theory is that in the movie, you have choice, but that these choices has been made before you have to decide. It can be debated whether or not this can be considered real choice, but it is not important, because this is the environment in this movie (in my theory). Also as long as you are not sure about your future, it doesn't really matter whether or not is it predecided.



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posted November 05, 2007 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
Not many liked the sequels of Matrix. Sure every movie has its cheesy/stupid moments which makes us think why?

Some of the lines were one of the best I have heard. I will quote some of them here from the web:


Will put some commentary here before one can proceed to read further.

Great line: Every program serves its purpose before it returns to the Source.

Neo's negative i.e. Smith could not return to the source unless Neo is destroyed.

The end of the movie (sequel 3) is quite controversial. In that Neo lets Smith destroy him. The purpose of Smith was achieved so he returns to the source, but some how Neo frees all the machines from Smiths influence and balance returns between humans and machines. I didn't quite get it how did he manage to do that.



Some more commentary / comments from a viewer. The secret behind the Matrix ;_


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Kind of like Newtonian physics and Quantum Mechanics huh? The future can appear pre-determined if you hold onto Newtonian Physics, but through 'critical reason' we arrive at quantum physics where the 'observer' collapses the waveform, which means that subjective consciousness is pretty much a mystery. Enter the Heisenberg 'uncertainty principle.' Causation requires an observation and a component, yet entaglement in quantum physics means that the 'space' even you and I appear to reside in some place on the Earth communicating via the Internet is nothing more than a Matrixesque 'construct' and that all things are 'connected' if one even subscribes to a 'beginning' of what we consider the 'known Universe.' Big Bang, or even the sexy Big 'WOW.' This is perhaps why the Rama Kandra* is wise to understand the 'connection' as the key 'thing-in-itself' to keep in 'mind' that there is nothing essentially 'disconnected' in the entire Universe in any 'superposition' of some Universe even it is just a sub-sconscious construct superviening over some other sub-conscious construct of one Universe to another 'u'niverse if you will. A 'macrocosm' and a 'microcosm' in fact.

"Thus man becomes the Architect of his own demise." - The Animatrix, Second Renissance

You and I and all ideas are connected and the very lack of recognizing that connection is the crux of the story until we can see that union of that pratically immortal and 'timeless' connection revived or revealed in the conclusion through the unification of the metaphorical dark and light in some sort of pantheistic metaphor. Consiousness resides in all observable aspects of the Universe.

Human pride, human prejudice, and the limitation in being able to understand the 'superposition' of the Universe is just the same as perhaps a dog's ability to perceive the Universe in shades of grey. The 'materialism' of human imagination is the very passive act that all 'life' or 'consciousness' grapples with in terms of truth, epistemology, causation, choice, freewill. We have limited yet limitless potential within our reach. Is it belief, research, or the bottom of our ignorance that provides use with access to the potentials that move our blobs of 'selfish' DNA around our space? Something to think about I suppose and factor further into you FAQ ;-)

At the sub-atomic level of all things the paradoxes go all the way back to Socrates - "I know that I don't know." This recognition of the limit of human knowledge is the beginning to a path of enlightenment which is why Socrates put the words 'Temet Nosce' over the entrance to temple of the Oracle at Delphi. It is why the Wachowskis put that in place in the story of stories. 'Superposition' is the very thing that the consciousness of 'life' will continue to try and work out through all types of symbiosis, change, movement, entropy. However, what does happen to entropy at the quantum level. Why is there the notion of 'time symmetry' reversal at the uniform level of the Planck scale.

It's really good to see you thinking about the process, and getting out of the box. It's like the thought experiment 'flatland.' We are potentially 2D creatures that can in some way 'understand' the 3D world. In this sense your thoughts are a way in which you are shaping your perceptions and sharing them with the world. The more you do this the more you shape your world and effect those in the world around you. It is a wonderful path of enlightentment. I like Kant's ideas of 'transcendental idealism' and how the ideas penetrate the ideas of the Matrix fiction myself.




Notes:
*Rama-Kandra or probably Ramachandra (well known Indian name) is the name of a fictional character (played by Bernard White) in the films, The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions.


Some more.

-How did Neo kill the sentinels outside the matrix?

Neo; "Tell me how I separated my mind from my body without jacking in? Tell me how I stopped four sentinels by thinking it."
Oracle; "The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from."
Neo; "Where?"
Oracle: "The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those sentinels"


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posted November 05, 2007 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message


The bold lines is the best dialogue in the movie I think


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TRINITY: Do you know what happened to Neo?
ORACLE: Yes. He's trapped in a place between this world and the machine world. The link is controlled by a program called the Trainman. He uses it to smuggle programs in and out of the Matrix. If he finds out where Neo is before you get to him, then I'm afraid our choices are going to become difficult.

TRINITY: Why?

ORACLE: Because of who the Trainman works for.

MORPHEUS: The Merovingian.

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NEO: You're programs.
RAMA-KANDRA: Oh, yes. I'm the power plant systems manager for recycling operations. My wife is an interactive software programmer, she is highly creative.

KAMALA: What are you doing here? You do not belong here.

RAMA-KANDRA: Kamala! Goodness, I apologize. My wife can be very direct.

NEO: It's okay. I don't have an answer. I don't even know where 'here' is.

RAMA-KANDRA: This place is nowhere. It is between your world and our world.

NEO: Who's the Trainman?

RAMA-KANDRA: He works for the Frenchman.

NEO: Why'd I know you were going to say that?

RAMA-KANDRA: The Frenchman does not forget and he does not forgive.

NEO: You know him?

RAMA-KANDRA: I know only what I need to know. I know that if you want to take something from our world into your world that does not belong there, you must go to the Frenchman.

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NEO: Is that what you're doing here?
KAMALA: Rama, please!

RAMA-KANDRA: I do not want to be cruel, Kamala. He may never see another face for the rest of his life.

NEO: I'm sorry. You don't have to answer that question.

RAMA-KANDRA: No. I don't mind. The answer is simple. I love my daughter very much. I find her to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. But where we are from, that is not enough. Every program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, it is deleted. I went to the Frenchman to save my daughter. You do not understand.

NEO: I just have never...

RAMA-KANDRA: ...heard a program speak of love?

NEO: It's a... human emotion.

RAMA-KANDRA: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies. I see that you are in love. Can you tell me what you would give to hold on to that connection?

NEO: Anything.

RAMA-KANDRA: Then perhaps the reason you're here is not so different from the reason I'm here.

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NEO: You know the Oracle?
RAMA-KANDRA: Everyone knows the Oracle. I consulted with her before I met with the Frenchman. She promised she would look after Sati after we said goodbye.

NEO: Goodbye? You're not staying with her?

RAMA-KANDRA: It is not possible. Our arrangement with the Frenchman was for our daughter only. My wife and I must return to our world.

NEO: Why?

RAMA-KANDRA: That is our karma.

NEO: You believe in karma?

RAMA-KANDRA: Karma's a word. Like 'love.' A way of saying 'what I am here to do.' I do not resent my karma - I'm grateful for it. Grateful for my wonderful wife, for my beautiful daughter. They are gifts. And so I do what I must do to honour them.

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NEO: One way or another I'm getting on this train
TRAINMAN: Oh, no, no, no. You're gonna stay right here until the

MEROVINGIAN: says different. If I know him, you're gonna be here for a long, long time.

NEO: I don't want to hurt you.

TRAINMAN: You don't get it. I built this place. Down here I make the rules. Down here I make the threats. Down here, I'm God.

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SERAPH: There are no weapons allowed in the club. At the bottom of this elevator, there is a coat check girl. And if we're lucky, one man for checking guns.
TRINITY: And if we're unlucky?


SERAPH: There will be many men.

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MEROVINGIAN: The prodigal child returns. L'ange sans ailes [The angel without wings]. Are you here for the bounty, Seraph? Tell me, how many bullets are there in those guns? I don't know, but I don't think you have enough.

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MORPHEUS: We want to make a deal.
MEROVINGIAN: Always straight to business, huh, Morpheus? Okay. I have something you want. To make a deal, you must have something I want, yes? And it so happens there is something I want. Something I've wanted ever since I first came here. It is said they cannot be taken, they can only be given.

MORPHEUS: What?

MEROVINGIAN: The eyes of the Oracle.

MEROVINGIAN: I have told you before, there's no escaping the nature of the universe. It is that nature that has again brought you to me. Where some see coincidence, I see consequence. Where others see chance, I see cost. Bring me the eyes of the Oracle, and I will give you back your saviour. That seems a particularly fair and reasonable deal to me. Yes, no?

TRINITY: I don't have time for this **** .

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TRINITY: You want to make a deal, how about this? You give me Neo, or we all die right here, right now.
MEROVINGIAN: Interesting deal. You are really ready to die for this man?

TRINITY: Believe it.

PERSEPHONE: She'll do it. If she has to, she'll kill every one of us. She's in love.

MEROVINGIAN: It is remarkable how similar the pattern of love is to the pattern of insanity.

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ORACLE: That's it. That's the secret. You've got to use your hands.
SATI: Why?

ORACLE: Cookies need love like everything does.

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NEO: You helped me to get here, but my question is why? Where does this go? Where does it end?
ORACLE: I don't know.

NEO: You don't know or you won't tell me?

ORACLE: I told you before. No one can see beyond a choice they don't understand, and I mean no one.

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NEO: Tell me how I separated my mind from my body without jacking in. Tell me how I stopped four sentinels by thinking it. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me.
ORACLE: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from.

NEO: Where?

ORACLE: The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that, either.

NEO: The Architect told me that if I didn't return to the Source, Zion would be destroyed by midnight tonight.

ORACLE: Please... You and I may not be able to see beyond our own choices, but that man can't see past any choices.

NEO: Why not?

ORACLE: He doesn't understand them - he can't. To him they are variables in an equation. One at a time each variable must be solved and countered. That's his purpose: to balance an equation.

NEO: What's your purpose?

ORACLE: To unbalance it.

NEO: Why? What do you want?

ORACLE: I want the same thing you want, Neo. And I am willing to go as far as you are to get it.

NEO: The end of the war. Is it going to end?

ORACLE: One way, or another.

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ORACLE: Everything that has a beginning has an end. I see the end coming. I see the darkness spreading. I see death. And you are all that stands in his way.
NEO: Smith.

ORACLE: Very soon he's going to have the power to destroy this world, but I believe he won't stop there; he can't. He won't stop until there's nothing left at all.

NEO: What is he?

ORACLE: He is you. Your opposite, your negative, the result of the equation trying to balance itself out.

NEO: What if I can't stop him?

ORACLE: One way or another, Neo, this war is going to end. Tonight, the future of both worlds will be in your hands... or in his.

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SMITH: Well, well, it's been a long time. I remember chasing you was like chasing a ghost.
SERAPH: I have beaten you before.

SMITH: That's true, but as you can see, things are a little different now. And you must be the last exile.

SATI: The Oracle told me about you.

SMITH: Really? And what did she say about me?

SATI: That you're a bad man.

SMITH: Oh, I'm not so bad once you get to know me.

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SMITH: The great and powerful Oracle. We meet at last. I suppose you've been expecting me, right? The all-knowing Oracle is never surprised. How can she be, she knows everything. But If that's true, then why is she here? If she knew I was coming, why didn't she leave? *sweeps plate of cookies off table* Maybe you knew I was going to do that, maybe you didn't. If you did, that means you baked those cookies and set that plate right there deliberately, purposefully. Which means you're sitting there also deliberately, purposefully.
ORACLE: What did you do with Sati?

SMITH/SATI: Cookies need love like everything does.

ORACLE: You are a ******* .

SMITH: You would know, Mom.

ORACLE: Do what you're here to do.

SMITH: Yes, ma'am.

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LOCK: In less than 12 hours, the machines will breach the dock walls. Every simulation we've run, we've seen that once the machines are inside the city the odds of our survival decrease dramatically. Thus our primary objective must be to destroy or disable the diggers inside the dock. If we can do that, perhaps we can prevent them from ever reaching the city. If not, the only place we'll be able to mount an effective defense will be at the entrance of the Temple. It is small enough that it will force them into a bottleneck, allowing us to concentrate the remainder of our defense.
COUNCILLOR DILLARD: We understand that you've requested additional volunteers.

LOCK: That is correct.

COUNCILLOR WEST: Precisely what size of force are you planning to commit to the primary dock objective?

LOCK: Right now, the entire APU core and half the infantry.

COUNCILLOR WEST: Half the infantry?

LOCK: If it were up to me, Councillor, I'd take every man, woman, and child, put a gun in their hands and march them straight into that dock.

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COUNCILLOR HAMANN: Commander, just one more question. Has there been word from the Nebuchadnezzar?
LOCK: None, and at this point there's no reason to expect that there ever will be.

COUNCILLOR HAMANN: Perhaps. But we can hope.

LOCK: I'm afraid hope is an indulgence I don't have time for.

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CAS: Zee, what are you doing?
Zee: Making shells.

CAS: They're evacuating our level. We have to go.

Zee: I'm not going with you.

CAS: What?

Zee: They've called for volunteers to hold the dock.

CAS: I know how you feel, Zee, but you can't do that.

Zee: I have to.

CAS: Why?

Zee: Because I love him. I love him the same as he loves me. And if I were out there and he were here, I know what he'd do.

CAS: But you're gonna get yourself killed. It's crazy, Zee.

Zee: Maybe it is. But ask yourself, if it were Dozer, and you knew the only chance you had to see him again was to hold the dock, what would you do?

CAS: Make shells.

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MIFUNE: How old are you, kid?
KID: Eighteen.

MIFUNE: Shoulda said sixteen, I mighta believed that!

KID: OK, I'm sixteen.

MIFUNE: Minimal age for the corps is eighteen, sixteen's too young!

KID: The machines won't care how old I am. They'll kill me just the same.

MIFUNE: Ain't that the ********* truth.

KID: Give me a chance, sir. I won't let you down.

MIFUNE: You do... you'll find me and the machines have something in common.

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NEO: Trinity... There's something I have to say. Something you need to understand. I know I'm supposed to go. But beyond that - I don't know...
TRINITY: I know. You don't think you're coming back. I knew it the moment you said you had to leave. I could see it in your face. Just like you knew the moment you looked at me that I was coming with you.

NEO: I'm scared, Trin.

TRINITY: So am I. Took me ten minutes to buckle up one boot. But I'll tell you something. Six hours ago I told the

MEROVINGIAN: that I was ready to give anything and everything for you. Do you know what's changed in the past 6 hours?

NEO: No.

TRINITY: Nothing.

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MORPHEUS: I can only hope you know what you're doing.
NEO: Me, too. It was an honour, sir.

MORPHEUS: No, the honour's still mine.

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NEO: Who are you?
BANE: Still don't recognize me? I admit, it is difficult to think, encased in this rotting piece of meat. The stink of it filling every breath, a suffocating cloud you can't escape. Disgusting! Look at how pathetically fragile it is. Nothing this weak is meant to survive.

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MIFUNE: All right, this is it. Now, you all know me, so I'll just say this as simple as I can. If it's our time to die, it's our time. All I ask is: if we have to give these ******** our lives, we give 'em hell before we do!

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OPERATIONS OFFICER MATTIS: Sir, holographic confirms. It's the Hammer, sir.
LOCK: How can that be?

OPERATIONS OFFICER MATTIS: The ship is under attack, sustaining heavy damage. But at its present velocity, it'll reach Gate 3 in twelve minutes.

LOCK'S LIEUTENANT: Sir, their EMP could take out every sentinel up there.

LOCK: It'd take out more than that. It'd wipe out our entire defense system. We blow an EMP in there, we will lose the dock!

LOCK'S LIEUTENANT: Sir, we've already lost the dock.

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LOCK: Three captains, one ship. I assume the other ships were lost under equally pointless circumstances?
NIOBE: Good to see you too, Jason.

LOCK: Council's waiting to hear an explanation. You'll forgive me for not attending, but I have to try to salvage this debacle.

ROLAND: Did I miss something, Commander? I thought we just saved the dock.

LOCK: That's the problem with you people. You can't think for five minutes in front of your face. That EMP knocked out almost every piece of hardware and every APU. If I were the machines, I would send every Sentinel I had here right now. Saved the dock, captain? You've just handed it to them on a silver platter.

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COUNCILLOR DILLARD: So you gave them your ship?
NIOBE: That is correct, Councillor, I did.

COUNCILLOR GRACE: Knowing what he planned to do with it?

COUNCILLOR HAMANN: And the Oracle said nothing of this?

NIOBE: She told me Neo would need my help, and when the time came I would choose to help him or not.

COUNCILLOR WEST: But what hope can a single vessel have against their entire defense system?

ROLAND: None, it's completely impossible, but he wouldn't listen. He wouldn't even take any ammunition. He was totally out of his ******* mind.

MORPHEUS: No, he wasn't. Neo is doing what he believes he must do. I don't know if what he's doing is right, and I don't know if he'll reach the machine city. And if he does, I don't know what he can do to save us. But I do know that as long as there's a single breath in his body, he will not give up. And neither can we.

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LOCK: It is now a matter of time. The machines will breach the walls of the city. I recommend that the Council join the rest of the non-military personnel inside the Temple.
COUNCILLOR GRACE: How long do we have?

LOCK: Two hours. Maybe less. My men have begun fortifying the entrance with enough artillery to make our last stand. Beyond that, there isn't anything more I can do.

COUNCILLOR DILLARD: Commander, do you think that we have any chance of surviving?

LOCK: If I were you, Councillor, I wouldn't ask me that question. I would ask him.

COUNCILLOR DILLARD: Why?

LOCK: Because he's the one who believes in miracles.

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NEO: I only ask to say what I've come to say, after that, do what you want and I won't try to stop you.
DEUS EX MACHINA: Speak.

NEO: The program 'Smith' has grown beyond your control. Soon he will spread through this city as he spread through the Matrix. You cannot stop him, but I can.

DEUS EX MACHINA: We don't need you. We need nothing.

NEO: If that's true, then I've made a mistake and you should kill me now.

DEUS EX MACHINA: What do you want?

NEO: Peace.

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SMITH/ORACLE: Mr. Anderson, welcome back. We missed you. You like what I've done with the place?
NEO: It ends tonight.

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SMITH/ORACLE: Can you feel it, Mr. Anderson, closing in on you? Well, I can. I really should thank you for it, after all, it was your life that taught me the purpose of all life. The purpose of life is to end.

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SMITH/ORACLE: Why, Mr. Anderson, why? Why, why do you do it? Why, why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something, for more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is, do you even know? Is it freedom or truth, perhaps peace - could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Anderson, vagaries of perception. Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself. Although, only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson, you must know it by now! You can't win, it's pointless to keep fighting! Why, Mr. Anderson, why, why do you persist?
NEO: Because I choose to.

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ORACLE: Well, now, ain't this a surprise.
ARCHITECT: You've played a very dangerous game.

ORACLE: Change always is.

ARCHITECT: Just how long do you think this peace is going to last?

ORACLE: As long as it can. What about the others?

ARCHITECT: What others?

ORACLE: The ones that want out.

ARCHITECT: Obviously, they will be freed.

ORACLE: I have your word?

ARCHITECT: What do you think I am? Human?

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SATI: Oracle! We were afraid we might not find you.
ORACLE: Everything's okay now.

SATI: Look, look!

ORACLE: Just look at that! Beautiful! Did you do that?

SATI: For Neo.

ORACLE: That's nice. I know he'd love it.

SATI: Will we ever see him again?

ORACLE: I suspect so. Someday.

SERAPH: Did you always know?

ORACLE: Oh no. No, I didn't. But I believed. I believed.



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