posted November 12, 2007 11:47 AM         

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N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a psychedelic tryptamine.

Dimethyltryptamine is widely regarded to be the most powerful hallucinagenic drug known to man. It is generally extracted from plants. DMT is normally either smoked in it's pure form, or taken orally as part of a drink called ayahuasca.

DMT's effects are more bizarre than can possibly be described by human language.

Reports often include: transportation to other planes of existence, contact with non-human entities, profound spiritual experiences, and open-eye hallucinations of impossibly complex geometric displays. Surprisingly however, DMT is widely unheard of, even among the psychedelic community.

Every human being has DMT in their body.

It is thought that DMT is produced by the pineal gland, located in the center of your brain. The pineal gland itself has historically been shrouded in mystery. It has been called "The Seat of the Soul" by renaissance philosophers, and "The Third Eye" by Tibetan monks. In certain species of reptiles, the pineal gland is an actual light sensing eye, with a cornea, retina, and lens. It has been suggested that the pineal gland releases dimethyltryptamine during sleep (partially in response to low light levels) and that DMT plays a major role in visual dreaming, as DMT levels in the brain are higher during REM sleep. DMT levels in the brain are also higher than usual during birth and death. It is also theorized that spontaneous, natural DMT releases are responsible for near death experiences, natural mystical states, and even reports of alien abduction.

DMT also occurs naturally in many species of plants and animals.

It is most commonly extracted from the plant species Mimosa Hostilis or Psychotria Viridis. Look in "My Pictures" section for information on other plants used as a source for dimethyltryptamine.

DMT-containing plants have been used in South American shamanic practices for thousands of years.

DMT is one of two main active ingredients in the drink " ayahuasca", the other being a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI), which allows DMT to be active orally. Ayahuasca is taken religiously by a number of indigenous peoples in the Peruvian Amazon. It is sometimes taken simultaneously by a group of people within a specially designated ayahuasca lodge, during which the head shaman will sing ayahuasca songs that are seen as visual hallucinations by the other members of the group.

posted November 12, 2007 12:16 PM         

I have heard of ritualistic cannibalism ... I don`t recommend that either!

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posted November 12, 2007 06:04 PM         

Free will decision to take overdose from an outside source perhaps will do damage to our body that will take years to rectify.

posted November 13, 2007 01:56 AM         

I will say that yes, I have studied DMT and it's effects. As part of a larger psychology project back in college.
[Santa Cruz, California -Go figure. LOL!)

No, I did'nt take it externally nor would I personally ever choose this path.

I will also say that in the area where I live it has previously been used to lace marijuana. Causing some pretty dangerous effects!

Several teenagers in our community have become victims to purchasing this laced weed unwittingly and found it to induce temporary psychosis leading to hospitalization... even one, left in a vegitative state! [No deaths that I'm aware of?]

The largest problem that I see with using it in a drug form is the innability to measure or control it's potency. Once it's been ingested, smoked, or drank, it's to late to change your mind, take it back or remove it from your system.

As I recall... It's goes strait into your cells and actually stays there for weeks, months, sometimes even years.
It can release at any point afterwords as well...
Very frightening!!! Similiar to drugs like methylphenidates (Ritalin) the effects can be disasterous even years later.

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spontaneous, natural DMT releases are responsible for near death experiences, natural mystical state, etc.

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I'm all about releasing it naturally within your own body.... (meditation techniques, etc.) I feel this is a controlable experience as well as the bodys nature to connect with spirit in a natural sense while still attached to a comfortable physical environment.

If you get nothing else from this website I say snag some of those kick ass pictures posted to this guys comment section.
Did I say "WOW" !!!

posted November 13, 2007 02:14 AM         

Are you sure that was DMT laced pot?

Ah, well,
"No risk, no reward."

Besides, being a vegetable might be a real cool deal.

Anyway,
How many people have died or been maimed climbing Mt. Everest?

I dont care for Mt. Everest,
but I'll risk my neck on Mt. Olympus.

I'm not the sit in lotus position type.

I'm a Uranian who most definitely believes in short-cuts.

And "Fortune favors the bold."

Yeah, those pics are b!tchin'

posted November 13, 2007 02:23 AM         

~ Goethe

posted November 13, 2007 02:44 AM         

A review by Caroline Taylor

[Strassman] is fascinated by the apparent connection between the 49 days the soul is said to reside in the bardo and the fact that it takes 49 days for the human embryo to develop a recognisable pineal gland - and also to differentiate fully into male and female.

The DMT experience itself is vividly described in Chapter 9. For most of the volunteers, the dose at which clearly psychedelic effects predominated ranged from 0.2 mg/kg through to 0.4 mg/kg. The peak response occurred at 2 minutes and it was over in half an hour. Volunteers typically described the initial rush as "like a freight train", or "like a nuclear cannon". Nearly all remarked on feeling "vibrations". (There are similar reports in Dr. Mack's work.) A rapid loss of bodily awareness caused some to think they had died. There was often a sense of rapid movement or "flying"; many felt they had left their bodies and had become "pure awareness." Auditory affects included "whirring", "crinkling and crunching" and comical "sproing-boing" noises. Among the visual effects were intensely coloured geometrical patterns, (sometimes described as "4-D") trees of life, fantastic birds, tunnels, stairways and machinelike forms. The most startling encounter, however, was with human-like, or completely un-human-like, non corporeal entities, some with insectile or reptilian qualities. Although the majority of the volunteers found the experience euphoric, pleasurable and revelatory, some found it terrifying. This situation tended to improve in subsequent sessions, especially once they were "prepared to lose control", in a safe and supportive setting. (p.149) DMT may be thought to be comparable with other hallucinogens in some ways, remarks Strassman but it has a certain "peerless quality". A more tangible difference is that the human brain actively seems to seek it out. The chemical easily passes through a normally impermeable blood-brain barrier....

DMT, "as a true Spirit Molecule, gave our volunteers the trip they needed, rather than the one they wanted." (p.156) Some were able to work through difficult personal problems with the aid of the powerful, lucid-dreamlike, DMT-induced state. Some described the benefits as "purely energetic"; some "cumulative". One said that between the 3rd and the 4th dose (in a tolerance study that involved four sequential 0.3 mg/kg sessions separated by 30 minute intervals) "something changed" (for the better.) "I just gave up." (p.161) Strassman mentions the great potential for psychedelic-assisted therapy, not only in the area of problem solving but also in what he terms "structured voluntary traumatic experience." i.e. in a safe and supportive environment people could use DMT to "promote absolute loss of control", so as to contact, and permanently let go of, painful emotions. One young female volunteer was actually able to do this. In a moving account she describes how, during the DMT sessions, she was helped by "presences" - "DMT elves", to release the trauma of childhood neglect and rape. "I feel like I have a new body" she said, one month after her healing experience.

DNA-like patterns and hieroglyphic-like alphabets abound. One volunteer described experiencing a "core of reality", which he felt to be "the Logos."

Strassman's openness is admirable in his frank admission of being totally unprepared, emotionally and intellectually, for the frequency and bizarreness of the volunteers' encounters with beings. It was always an unpredictable two-way communication - and "they" were always in control. Often they seemed machinelike, yet still definitely alive. Medical-type tests were often carried out, using technology apparently far in advance of our own. The volunteers unanimously claimed that their experiences were absolutely real and not an hallucination. Also that they felt ultra lucid, not intoxicated. (Once again, simlarities with alien abduction stories abound. Unlike some of these, however, little fear was usually present where the beings were involved.
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/dmt.htm

posted November 13, 2007 02:49 AM         

This is the aspect of the DMT study that most interested Strassman personally, especially having practiced and studied Zen Buddhism for many years. His concept of enlightenment is that it is a "profound, mystical way of being", which entails white light, experienced as "a searing sense of the sacred and holy." (p.235) An alternative definition might be: "cosmic consciousness", accessed through religious practice and discipline. However, the DMT experiences in the "Transpersonal" category, he admits, seemed more unexpected, more vibrant, more "real." One volunteer says of her mystical experience: "The euphoria goes on to eternity. And I am part of that eternity". (p.238.) Another: "I was devoid of self, thought, time, space, of a sense of separateness or ego". Another: "All of my ideas and beliefs seemed absurdly ridiculous." (p.240) Strassman concludes that there are striking similarities between "natural" spiritual experiences and DMT-induced ones.

posted November 13, 2007 02:51 AM         

Negative experiences happened to 25 out of the 60 volunteers. This was rather surprising to Strassman, since all had had previous experience of psychedelics and none had any current psychological health problems. He surmises that the hospital environment may have contributed in some cases, e.g. blood tests, questionnaires, etc.. But he seems to have made every possible effort to make the volunteers feel at ease and does indeed seem to have a natural talent as a "sitter". He and his assistant Laura, were, for example, very aware of the nuances of speech and gestures. (p.248). So perhaps the dark element did not, after all, originate from an external source? One unfortunate male volunteer experienced anal rape by crocodiles on a 0.4 mg/kg DMZ dose. Although Strassman was extremely concerned about lasting psychological damage in this case, thankfully there appeared to be none, according to follow-up assessments. ( He relates this person's terrifying encounter with his tendency to be too much into "love and light", fending off all dark, shadowy aspects of himself.) (p.253) There were also one or two frightening experiences (on both sides) connected to physical problems, such as sudden dangerous drops in blood pressure (despite prior screening.) In retrospect Strassman felt that he should have paid more attention to his intuition regarding peoples' physical and psychological suitability for the study. But the fact remained: DMT could open up horrific as well as blissful realities and had to be handled with care.

posted November 13, 2007 02:57 AM         

A third:
"My own divinity is less of an abstraction. Thinking and feeling overlap more now." (p.273) Many said that their experience was not permanently life-changing, although it had provided valuable insights, or had had a "cleansing" effect.. Strassman felt on the whole that people emerged from the trials with a greater sense of self, less fear of death and greater appreciation of life.

posted November 13, 2007 03:09 AM         

Q & A

C: Put more specifically; do you feel that endogenous DMT could have a role to play in some future scenario, involving mass major trauma of some kind? This would be followed, potentially, of course, by a sudden evolution of consciousness to a happier state, for some/all of our species? In other words, a biologically-based eschaton? Such a scenario could be the result of some major environmental collapse of course - or some harder to imagine one, involving the final timewave "concresence" in 2012? In either case, do you agree with my feeling that endogenous DMT could, figuratively speaking, be waiting in the wings right now for its star performance, as a vehicle of mass transcendence, or purveyor of large amounts of human (and animal?) consciousness to some other dimension? (I hesitate to say "higher", for it could also be called "deeper", or "fuller.") In any case, the pineal gland (body) could be both the "port" of this vehicle, and possibly a vital "future" organ.

posted November 13, 2007 04:13 AM         

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Are you sure that was DMT laced pot?

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well, um... No, I could never be absolutely sure as I did'nt lace it myself nor run any lab tests on it...
um...

The local police department however claimed it to be, as did the hospital.

They did a huge drug bust shortly afterwards on account of evidence and such...

Hmm?...

Anyways, It seems you've collected quite a bit of information there superstar!

Good for you!
explore, explore...

((( Be like a sponge in a flash flood! )))

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posted November 13, 2007 02:41 PM         

Nothing from outside can give you salvation.

If one can afford to be a vegetable , go try it. Perhaps they have the luxury of someone taking care.

Grace must be earned by spiritual exercises and benefiting others.

posted November 13, 2007 02:45 PM         

If the pinneal gland produces this chemical, then I could definitely pinpoint to a specific night when my gland released a substantial amount of it. I had a dream once that I strongly believe was a near-death experience and was keenly similar to the descriptions given of the effect of this chemical.

posted November 13, 2007 04:46 PM         

Mannu,

I think we need to stop demonizing Nature,
and holding its gifts at arms length.

If you are determined to go it alone,
you will definitely go the long way.

Anyway, you have a guru, right?

Well, isnt your guru "out there",
by your own definition?

These plants arent necessarily different.

Many consider them to be supergurus;
the reincarnations of gods!

And you eat vegetables, right?
Why dont you just go within,
and feed off the universal Chi?
Put your faith where your mouth is.

Who has ears to hear, let them hear. Dude.

Excerpt from McKenna's
"Food of the Gods":

SHAMANISM AND ORDINARY RELIGION

posted November 13, 2007 04:57 PM         

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The Zen Buddhist monastic community, for example, with whom he had had close connections for many years, began criticising his research and withdrawing their personal support... He sought advice from a senior member of the monastic community, whom he had known for 20 years. Ultimately this led to an outright denouncement of his psychedelic research. "That DMT might elicit enlightenment experiences is delusional and contrary to the teachings of the Buddha." he was told in a letter. (p.304) That the reasons behind this hostility were political provided little comfort. His conclusion: "they were ... no different to any other organisation whose survival depended on a uniformly accepted platform of ideas."

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posted November 13, 2007 05:12 PM         

Anyhow, if I tell you don't, you will be more pressed to do it isn't it? Man by nature is free to do what he wills.

I tried pot once in my life. And stopped.
Not that I fear it or anyone, but the craving just isn't there. I am pro life.

One cannot interrupt natural evolution from the All. Science has seen it. If they alter tomatoes after 5 generations the alterations stops and the one that nature intends reappears. You know what I mean.

posted November 13, 2007 05:15 PM         

Its really not a way to reach God I think.
My $0.02

posted November 13, 2007 05:19 PM         

Psychoactivity
The Fountain of Culture

A lecture on Shamanism,
as it is practiced by the shaman-monks in Nepal,
and on the origins of civilization:

posted November 13, 2007 08:47 PM         

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Several teenagers in our community have become victims to purchasing this laced weed unwittingly and found it to induce temporary psychosis leading to hospitalization... even one, left in a vegitative state! [No deaths that I'm aware of?]

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DANGEROUS COMBINATIONS

READ THIS!! VERY IMPORTANT. IGNORING THIS COULD LEAD TO SERIOUS MEDICAL PROBLEMS (like death...)

Unless one is very experienced in pharmacology it is unwise to experiment with combinations of drugs. Even when using a single drug, thought should be given to all substances, both food and drug, which have been taken recently. Most indiginous people fast or at least abstain from certain substances for several days prior to taking a sacrament. Substances most universally avoided are alcohol, coffee, meat, fat and salt. Some drugs potentiate others. For example, atropine will increase the potency of mescaline, harmine, cannabis and opiates. Many of the substances discussed in this book are MAO inhibitors. MAO (monoamine oxidase) is an enzyme produced in the body which breaks down amines and renders them harmless and ineffective. A MAO inhibitors interfere with the protective enzyme and leaves the body vulnerable to these amines. A common substance such as tyramine, which is usually metabolized with little or no pharmacological effect, may become dangerous in the presence of an MAO inhibitor and cause headache, stiff neck, cardiovascular difficulties, and even death. MAO inhibitors may intensify and prolong the effects of other drugs (CNS depressants, narcotic analgesics, anticholinergics, dibenzazepine antidepressants, etc.) by interfering with their metabolism. In the presence of an MAO inhibitor many substances which are ordinarily non-active because of their swift metabolism may become potent psychoactive drugs. The phenomenon may create a new series of mind alterants. However, because of the complex and precarious variables involved, it is risky and foolish for anyone to experiment with these possibilities on the non-professional level.

The most commonly used MAO inhibitors include hydrazines such as iproniazid, Marsilid, Marplan, Niamid, Nardil, Catron; also non-hydrazines such as propargylamines, cyclopropylamines, aminopyrazine derivatives, indolealkylamines, and carbolines. MAO-inhibiting materials discussed in this book include yohimbine, various tryptamines, especially 5-MeO-DMT and the methyltryptamines, and the various harmala alkaloids. The latter are especially potent inhibitors but, like yohimbine and the trytamines, are short)lasting in action (30 minutes to several hours). Some of the commercial MAO inhibitors listed above are effective for several days to several weeks.

Among the materials which may be dangerous in combination with MAO inhibitors are sedatives, tranquilizers, antihistamines, narcotics and alcohol ) any of which can cause hypotensive crisis (severe blood pressure drop); and amphetamines (even diet pills), mescaline, asarone, nutmeg (active doses), macromerine, ephedrine, oils of dill, parsley or wild fennel, beer, wine, cocoa, aged cheese and other tyrosine)containing foods (tyrosine is converted into tyramine by bacteria in the bowel) ) any of which can cause hypertensive crises (severe blood pressure rise).

Do not stand up. Do not operate heavy machinery. Do Not Drive.

Individuals currently in the midst of emotional or psychological upheaval in their everyday lives should be careful about choosing to use psychedelics such as DMT as they can trigger even more difficulty.

Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness should be extremely careful because psychedelics have been known to trigger latent psychological and mental problems.

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It's goes strait into your cells and actually stays there for weeks, months, sometimes even years.
It can release at any point afterwords as well...
Very frightening!!! Similiar to drugs like methylphenidates (Ritalin) the effects can be disasterous even years later.

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In all of my research, I have not come across any scientific literature stating this sort of information.

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Go smoke or take Pot.
Why DMT?

Nothing from outside can give you salvation.

If one can afford to be a vegetable , go try it. Perhaps they have the luxury of someone taking care.

Grace must be earned by spiritual exercises and benefiting others.

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Humans have used these plants and countless others for millenia untold. The problem is that the proper, spiritual, and safe ways to use these plants have been mostly lost due to the oppression of indiginous peoples by other civilizations. Even in recent history, many midwives, herbalists, etc were burnt due to being thought witches. This knowledge is passed down orally. It was never written down. Hence the difficulty in knowing exactly the way, and which plants to use.

Peace,
GG

posted November 13, 2007 09:36 PM         

Even in that video link those shamans says some mantra before you consume.

Guidance is absolutely required I think.

posted November 17, 2007 04:59 PM         

Yes, I am aware of most of these things.

I plan to fast from the things mentioned
for at least several days prior to taking DMT.

I plan to have a firm, focused intention,
and a serious, spiritual frame of mind.

It looks likely that I'll be taking Ayahuasca first,
and this, in a ceremonial environment,
with people well experienced in guiding first-timers.

The warnings concerning mental imbalances do give me pause,
but, as I understand it, the individuals with such "problems"
have tended to be the ones "marked" as potential shamans,
according to the indigenous wisdom.

And, of course,
I'm always skeptical of anyone's opinion
of what constitutes exacerbation of a condition.
Many behaviors and ways of thinking
which more conventional minds see as "sick"
appear to me as hallmarks of spiritual health.

Thank you again for your concern.

posted November 18, 2007 05:49 AM         

HSC, great thread! If you follow the above link, you will see something really interesting. To quote it here:

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As a mind-altering substance, cannabis seems to have come of age in India, where the Hindu used cannabis as an aid in meditation. Its religious role is suggested by the following quotation from native literature:

To the Hindu the hemp plant is holy. A guardian lives in bhang ... Bhang is the joy giver, the sky flier, the heavenly guide, the poor man's heaven, the soother of grief ... No god or man is as good as the religious drinker of bhang. The students of the scriptures of Benares are given bhang before they sit to study. At Benares, Ujjain and other holy places, yogis take deep draughts of bhang that they may center their thoughts on the Eternal ... By the help of bhang ascetics pass days without food or drink. The supporting power of bhang has brought many a Hindu family safe through the miseries of famine. (pages 19-20)

Disapproval of cannabis may have originated with the Christian missionaries and other Europeans. In a study of Hindu mystics, J. Campbell Oman noted that Christian missionaries often remarked that a "great number of Hindu saints live in a state of perpetual intoxication and call this stupefaction, which arises from smoking intoxicating herbs, fixing the mind on god." (page 20)

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From Uses of Marijuana.
Snyder, Solomon H. (1971).
New York: Oxford University Press.

Actually, a friend who smoked the drug tol' me of this and tried to 'justify' his stand when I asked him why he won't leave it. I googled it up and found the above page.

I find the Seat of the Soul bit very very interesting to say the least!

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I think we need to stop demonizing Nature,
and holding its gifts at arms length.

If you are determined to go it alone,
you will definitely go the long way.

Anyway, you have a guru, right?

Well, isnt your guru "out there",
by your own definition?

These plants arent necessarily different.

Many consider them to be supergurus;
the reincarnations of gods!

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Thumbs up!